Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There are characters who can alter reality by flexing muscles.snipped image
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I know he has a pretty comprehensive respect thread I find it ridiculous that anyone can look at Marvel as a whole and think that this shit even charts compared to what goes on.
Originally posted by namorsubby
his "instantaneous" is obviously faster as supported by superior feats.Youre "flash just runs into stuff" arguement is really dumb. Slade just puts those things in his path fast enough....sometimes its his staff....sometimes his fist. Theyre all obvious reaction/speed feats. You and your over-analytical, supremely skeptical garbage. Theyre feats....just get over it, srank
Show me a speed feat, that you feel is better then Wolverine's. Slade's best speed feat is jumping through a fan blade. Him hitting the Flash is not a speed feat. He predicts where Flash will be, and he hits him because Flash jobbingly runs into shit. Batman has done the same thing. Does Batman have light speed reflexes? No, he doesn't. It's not an over-analytical assessment, but it is an analytical one. I don't make references without look at the context in which they happened, and I will put the examples you cite under the same scrutiny. Slade throwing his staff out and Flash tripping on it is not a speed feat. Slade holding his sword behind his back and Flash running into it is not a speed feat. It has nothing to do with speed. He has a hard enough time compensating for Batman's speed.
Originally posted by Nihilus88
Slade has tagged Flashes a few times through sheer reflex. In the second major fight he had with the Titans, Wally Kid Flash tried blitzing him and got smacked aside. In the third issue of the currernt Teen Titans Bart Allen Kid Flash blitzed Slade and Stroke kicked him away.
The aforementioned "once or twice" that I cited originally.
Originally posted by Nihilus88
Like I said before, Srank is a double standardizing fangirl. He wants to overblow feats for characters he likes and downplay other characters. This is exactly why he got the hell kicked of him on Comicvine and came to this shithole.Do yourselves a favor and ignore this douche., He couldn't tell his head from his ass to be perfectly honest.
Hey my troll is back! I missed you Dobby. 😍
Are you worried someone might actually go to comicvine, read the horrendous excuse for a debates those two guys mustered, see how I owned them and notice that it took the days to respond, by which time I had stopped posting? Or no?
Originally posted by srankmissingnindurability is how much damage you can take, and so is damage soak. These are called synonyms. Top teir brick damage soak/durability is superior to logans. That is called a fact.
What do you think happens to brain of a man with relatively baseline human durability when he is punched by a character who one shots asteroids twice the size of the earth?Durability measures resistance to injury before damage starts to stack, damage soak is how much damage you can take before death / incapacitation. Wolverine doesn't have much durability, but he has lots of damage soak. Alternatively a lot of bricks have relatively baseline human damage soak once their durability has been by passed. Punisher fighting after eating a shot gun to the chest and having a rib blown out of his body is damage soak, if he was durable enough for the blast to be ineffective, it would have been durability.
Stop splitting hairs for logans sake. Hes not anyawhere near top teir. Concussive force can, will, and has koed him.....yay or nay?
Originally posted by namorsubbywell... I actually do think those are a manner of pis, but they are implied or stated to be speed bursts and superagility. take the one with DS suprising SM. he bounces off the wall and lands in front of an incoming truck, so what? how could movement at that speed opssibly baffle SM into actually fearing for slade's life? SM could have circled the planet and come back in time to get him out of the way.
dont mind him.....he just overcomplicates and effectively twists whats plainly obvious on panel. We all know theyre feats......and deep down, so does he.lol
Originally posted by namorsubby
durability is how much damage you can take, and so is damage soak. These are called synonyms. Top teir brick damage soak/durability is superior to logans. That is called a fact.Stop splitting hairs for logans sake. Hes not anyawhere near top teir. Concussive force can, will, and has koed him.....yay or nay?
Durability is not how much damage you can take, it's how much damage you resist, it's not synonymous with damage soak. Durability is a one inch sheet of plate metal, damage soak is a sponge. If you hit a shit of metal with a hammer enough you will eventually damage or puncture it, a sponge will just go back to it's original forum. They are different. Wolverine doesn't resist any damage with his durability, he just repairs from it an bounces back to 100%.
Wolverine can be koed with concussive force, but his healing factor needs to be over loaded first. This is done through diminishing returns. A character needs to damage him enough that diminish returns starts to kick in, and he heals slower and slower from each subsequent attack, eventually being unable to recover faster enough to continue fighting.
Originally posted by namorsubby
durability is how much damage you can take, and so is damage soak. These are called synonyms. Top teir brick damage soak/durability is superior to logans. That is called a fact.Stop splitting hairs for logans sake. Hes not anyawhere near top teir. Concussive force can, will, and has koed him.....yay or nay?
Damage soak is a broader term.
Originally posted by srankmissingninlike i said, that arguement is dumb. Slades outmanuevering them plain and simple. Not only that, but slade has punched a flash running right at him. Go ahead, try some nonsensical overanalysis on that. Slades reacting to their movement.
Show me a speed feat, that you feel is better then Wolverine's. Slade's best speed feat is jumping through a fan blade. Him hitting the Flash is not a speed feat. He predicts where Flash will be, and he hits him because Flash jobbingly runs into shit. Batman has done the same thing. Does Batman have light speed reflexes? No, he doesn't. It's not an over-analytical assessment, but it is an analytical one. I don't make references without look at the context in which they happened, and I will put the examples you cite under the same scrutiny. Slade throwing his staff out and Flash tripping on it is not a speed feat. Slade holding his sword behind his back and Flash running into it is not a speed feat. It has nothing to do with speed. He has a hard enough time compensating for Batman's speed.
Batman pis has nothing to do with slade. Forget it..
You can take the fan scan that says slades only enhanced 10 fold speedwise as his norm, but youd just be lowballing(as usual) and wrong(also as usual). Its a contradiction to the majority of his speed statements.
Originally posted by srankmissingninhow does logan avoid incapacitation if he has to sustain the damage first, huh? Dont act as if you dont know exactly what im saying. Logan is hit, logans brain is substatially damaged, therefore logans passes out. How does healing after the fact negate that? It cant.
Durability is not how much damage you can take, it's how much damage you resist, it's not synonymous with damage soak. Durability is a one inch sheet of plate metal, damage soak is a sponge. If you hit a shit of metal with a hammer enough you will eventually damage or puncture it, a sponge will just go back to it's original forum. They are different. Wolverine doesn't resist any damage with his durability, he just repairs from it an bounces back to 100%.Wolverine can be koed with concussive force, but his healing factor needs to be over loaded first. This is done through diminishing returns. A character needs to damage him enough that diminish returns starts to kick in, and he heals slower and slower from each subsequent attack, eventually being unable to recover faster enough to continue fighting.
Originally posted by namorsubby
like i said, that arguement is dumb. Slades outmanuevering them plain and simple. Not only that, but slade has punched a flash running right at him. Go ahead, try some nonsensical overanalysis on that. Slades reacting to their movement.Batman pis has nothing to do with slade. Forget it..
You can take the fan scan that says slades only enhanced 10 fold speedwise as his norm, but youd just be lowballing(as usual) and wrong(also as usual). Its a contradiction to the majority of his speed statements.
I already acknowledge that he had legitimately hit the Flash once or twice. The instance you are talking about is the time when he turned around he back handed Kid Flash, that one isn't that extreme being as Kid Flash was much slower then then he is now, so it's not inconceivable Slade could tag him, just unlikely. The other example when he slashes and kicks Impulse is the questionable one that could be considered PIS, but I think he was stated as only having mach 1 speed in that issue (but also spent a year reading in a library in 35 minutes or something wtf writer inconstancy). The rest simply aren't speed feats.
Originally posted by namorsubby
how does logan avoid incapacitation if he has to sustain the damage first, huh? Dont act as if you dont know exactly what im saying. Logan is hit, logans brain is substatially damaged, therefore logans passes out. How does healing after the fact negate that? It cant.
He doesn't. Technically speaking Wolverine gets knocked out, and even dies with extreme frequency. He just heals.
so your saying every time logan is hit with substantial force, hes incapacitated for so short a time that the reader cant visibly notice, and he wakes up due to his nigh instantaneous hf? Sounds highly unlikely. Inconsistent writer error is much more probable seeing as its a constant in comics generally.
What about when namor crushed his organs? He didnt heal completely in a nanosecond. What about that deer that one poster was talking about? Lol
look, about this speed thing. Youre theory is completely unfounded. Its painfully clear that slade is reacting to their movement in every feat. Flash didnt just run into his staff, he threw it directly in front of him at exactly the right time. Its an obvious speed feat. Flash didnt just run into his staff blast either, he put it right in front of him at exactly the right time, which is also an obvious speed feat. Its a prediction as well sometimes, but it in no way whatsoever negates the fact that he has to have the speed to place whatever obstacle in front of a moving flash at an exact and precise moment in time.
Originally posted by namorsubby
so your saying every time logan is hit with substantial force, hes incapacitated for so short a time that the reader cant visibly notice, and he wakes up due to his nigh instantaneous hf? Sounds highly unlikely. Inconsistent writer error is much more probable seeing as its a constant in comics generally.What about when namor crushed his organs? He didnt heal completely in a nanosecond. What about that deer that one poster was talking about? Lol
look, about this speed thing. Youre theory is completely unfounded. Its painfully clear that slade is reacting to their movement in every feat. Flash didnt just run into his staff, he threw it directly in front of him at exactly the right time. Its an obvious speed feat. Flash didnt just run into his staff blast either, he put it right in front of him at exactly the right time, which is also an obvious speed feat. Its a prediction as well sometimes, but it in no way whatsoever negates the fact that he has to have the speed to place whatever obstacle in front of a moving flash at an exact and precise moment in time.
Once the X-Men were monitoring Wolverine's vitals when he was hit ran over by a car. He was completely mangled, flat-lined, all his bones broken, and all his organs ruptured... and he was 100% by the time the car drove off of him. That's how is healing factor works. Do you think the Hulk does less damage then a car? That's what happens to Wolverine every time someone class 10 or higher hits him.
Wolverine was already getting to his feet when Namor crushed all his organs, before Professor X showed up; and the deer didn't ko him, he was faking it and then beat his student back to the car.
They aren't speed feats, Slade predicted their movement's and anticipated where they would end up, and they ran ran into his attacks. No speed required. What you are concerning yourself with now is wondering how - if they aren't speed feats - it make any sense for the Flash, someone who perceives the world at c, to possibly run into bo-staff in front of him, or some debris from a blast fire or a stationary sword. The answer is it doesn't. Flash was jobbing, the examples are PIS and don't mater. Just like when Wolverine anticipated Speed Demon's movements and elbowed him the throat... except even more ridiculously Wolverine kept pace with Speed Demon's foot pace on panel.
ive seen the scans, srank. You cant talk your way around it. Logan was on the floor. He never got up in the scene. They were having a conversation while he was lying there unable to get up and immobile. Please stop grasping for wolverine.
He doesnt heal that fast consistently, not even close. Of course the writers had to think of some bullshit reason why wolverine could last a seconds with hulk. Inconsistent writer error. It doesnt take the hulk to ko logan. Just enough force to ko someonhe with his level of durability.....which isnt much....seeing as knives can cut him and bullets penetrate him.
Theyre all obvious speed feats....get over it. Its pathetic.
They didnt just run into these things. THEY WERE PLACED THERE AT THE EXACT MOMENT IN TIME BY SLADE. That doesnt take any speed? Please, srank. If youre not gonna be serious, whats the point? Youre excuses are unlimited and completed unsupported by comics.
Originally posted by namorsubby
ive seen the scans, srank. You cant talk your way around it. Logan was on the floor. He never got up in the scene. They were having a conversation while he was lying there unable to get up and immobile. Please stop grasping for wolverine.He doesnt heal that fast consistently, not even close. Of course the writers had to think of some bullshit reason why wolverine could last a seconds with hulk. Inconsistent writer error. It doesnt take the hulk to ko logan. Just enough force to ko someonhe with his level of durability.....which isnt much....seeing as knives can cut him and bullets penetrate him.
Theyre all obvious speed feats....get over it. Its pathetic.
They didnt just run into these things. THEY WERE PLACED THERE AT THE EXACT MOMENT IN TIME BY SLADE. That doesnt take any speed? Please, srank. If youre not gonna be serious, whats the point? Youre excuses are unlimited and completed unsupported by comics.
He never got up in the scene because the scene ended, but he was shown on panel supporting his weight with his arms, pushing himself up. The fact that the narrative jumped forward doesn't change the fact that he was starting to get up prior to the POV change. Wolverine wasn't "unable to get up and immobile," he was starting to get up when Professor X arrived, we just didn't get to see the panel that it would have happened in.
He does heal that fast consistently. He consistently fights top tier bricks, he consistently eats their punches, and that is how he does it. That is the speed at which his healing factor functions (actually it is faster now, but you get the point). It take a lot of damage to over load Wolverine's healing factor, if all it took was someone strong enough to "over load his durability," he would get koed and one shotted all the time... which obviously isn't the case. Wolverine has damage soak on par with top tier bricks. He has even - on several occasions - take the same attack, from the same character, in the same issue as Hulk, Thor and Hercules and fared better then they did. It takes a hell of a lot to put Wolverine down.
They aren't speed feats. It's been explained to you why they aren't. I'm sorry Deathstroke doesn't have any real speed feats and you are forced to role around in the gutters grasping at straws, but hey just be glade you aren't trying to find strength feats, because he has even less of those.