2012 Republican Presidential Debate

Originally posted by inimalist
did hating Jews for the specific fact that they were Jews really predate Christianity?

like, I know the Old Testament talks about Jews as slaves, and so forth, but like, isn't that more mythology/historical practice, rather than a specific ideology of "jews are bad because they are jews"?

I honestly don't actually know the answer to this...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The Romans didn't much like the fact that the Jews wouldn't accept their Gods along with Jehovah. That was a century or so before Christ.

true, but the Romans also didn't care much for Germanic or Celtic culture and belief either... I don't know if they had a particular thing for Jews, or if it was just a general violent intolerance.

Originally posted by inimalist
true, but the Romans also didn't care much for Germanic or Celtic culture and belief either... I don't know if they had a particular thing for Jews, or if it was just a general violent intolerance.

But on the same level isn't most organized antisemitism also part of a mixed bag? I mean how many organizations/nations can you think of who only, specifically persecuted Jews?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Don't nitpick bruh. crackers

But on the same level isn't most organized antisemitism also part of a mixed bag? I mean how many organizations/nations can you think of who only, specifically persecuted Jews?

thats not what I'm saying at all though

I'm just sort of curious as to whether there was a specific ideology of antisemitism, as it exists today, that is separate from just historical intolerance. There are certainly lots of individuals who single Jews out as a specific group worth hating, even people who aren't otherwise racist/intolerant

Originally posted by inimalist
did hating Jews for the specific fact that they were Jews really predate Christianity?

like, I know the Old Testament talks about Jews as slaves, and so forth, but like, isn't that more mythology/historical practice, rather than a specific ideology of "jews are bad because they are jews"?

I honestly don't actually know the answer to this...

Manetho: the original anti-semite in written history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

estahuh

What are "Jewish values"?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Greed, nepotism, socialism, Zionism, and the destructive liberalization of society. Generally, whenever you see a prominent Jew in society, he's going to be promoting something deleterious.

I don't see how these beliefs make you different from Stormfront, except that you don't consider yourself a member of the master race.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Karl Marx and Ayn Rand are two sides of the same circumcised coin.

Did you know it's illegal to circumcise coins in many places?

I don't see how these beliefs make you different from Stormfront, except that you don't consider yourself a member of the master race.

The fact that you are conflating my anti-Semitism with white nationalism is telling in how idiotic our society has become.

Technically, the word "anti-semitism" was invented because Christians hated Jesus killers.

Besides, the joke, if anyone cares any more, was associating charity with anti-semitism.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
The fact that you are conflating my anti-Semitism with white nationalism is telling in how idiotic our society has become.

At this point, I don't see how anyone would make a difference in the outcome of this country. They all look like clowns in a circus. The Republicans blame Obama for the woes of this country, while attempting to blindfold us all into forgetting the Bush Administrations hand in starting this sh1t in the first place.

It is my honest opinion that if Americans decide to vote for another Republican, that whomever takes over will seemingly take all of the credit for Obama's hard work and claim it for themselves. Bush played us all, and Obama basically jumped into a speeding car headed toward a cement wall, with only 20 feet to swerve or stop. There is no one in the entire world, that would have come out shining after the mess that Bush left.

This was all a Republican gimmick to make Americans vote for another Republican in the next term. Guess what??? I see Americans getting played again. Rinse and repeat, only this time we're running out of rope, and Bush's final farewell may have ushered in the beginnings of what may one day be called the One World Government.

Republicans help those who help themselves, and that is a great ideal, except for one f@cking thing, these days there are a lot more people that can not help themselves than there are, in America getting a job is no longer as easy as it once was, and let's not think about other countries whose population has exploded to such an extent that they will literally collapse under their own weight.

Voting for the Republicans is the wrong way to go at this point, and as horrible as it may sound, Americans need to stick to their guns, and re-elect Obama for another term. The Republicans are going to bury us. Then again I'm also Canadian so when the sh1t hits, I'm out.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Manetho: the original anti-semite in written history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

estahuh

wiki says it was more an ethnic thing than religious thing during the ancient times, which begs my original question, was this more just about the Egyptians hating what was a local rival ethnic group, or had Manetho et al. developed an ideology that specifically targeted Jews?

For instance, we could call the Romans "anti-Germanic", but they weren't specifically against Germanic people in ways unique to the Germanic people (they were equally intolerant of anything non-roman)

it does confirm what I learned in some courses I took on Jewish/Christian/Muslim relations in the middle ages, specifically the rise of Christian anti-sematism on religious grounds (that jews were a particularly evil religion), a sentiment that was not true of all faiths (there was hatred of Muslims, but that hatred was tempered with "they are evil, but they are an honorable evil", the type of image that comes out in medieval epic poetry (re: chansons)), and the increase of trade between Christendom and the Muslim world that informed later ideas of Muslim anti-semitism.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Nah, Stormfront is goony and "hurrr we need a dictator that will kill everyone who isn't a fat sack of trailer crap" and "I AM THE MASTER RACE" bullshit. I just don't like Jews because of the values they espouse.

Feelings mutual, Aryan Embarrassment.

Originally posted by Quark_666
The fact that you see one as more acceptable than another is telling in how he can't go wrong calling you a racist.

He's not really an anti-semite. You can see it from how he describes the problem of the Jews when someone actually asks him about it "a lot" "politicians" "prominent Jews" rather than talking about them as a singular group. He just likes call himself as anti-semite because it sounds edgy, it's hipster racism. Sort of cute really, like a fifteen year old in a Che shirt.

The fact that you see one as more acceptable than another is telling in how he can't go wrong calling you a racist.

Originally posted by inimalist
wiki says it was more an ethnic thing than religious thing during the ancient times, which begs my original question, was this more just about the Egyptians hating what was a local rival ethnic group, or had Manetho et al. developed an ideology that specifically targeted Jews?

For instance, we could call the Romans "anti-Germanic", but they weren't specifically against Germanic people in ways unique to the Germanic people (they were equally intolerant of anything non-roman)

it does confirm what I learned in some courses I took on Jewish/Christian/Muslim relations in the middle ages, specifically the rise of Christian anti-sematism on religious grounds (that jews were a particularly evil religion), a sentiment that was not true of all faiths (there was hatred of Muslims, but that hatred was tempered with "they are evil, but they are an honorable evil", the type of image that comes out in medieval epic poetry (re: chansons)), and the increase of trade between Christendom and the Muslim world that informed later ideas of Muslim anti-semitism.

From my own "lessons", it seems the original anti-semites were Egyption. Followed by a bit of anti-semitism from some in the Roman empire. Whether or not we need to place "culture" or "religion" labels for the hate is difficult for me to say. I have a hard time distinguishing the two, especially for Jews of that time because they were hand in hand.

Anti-Semitism, as you say, really took off centuries later.

But, I'll always stick by:
Manetho!: The Original Anti-Semite!

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I stopped caring about that word a long time ago. When you stop letting it have power over you, you're suddenly a lot freer to speak your mind.

man, if only you could get over your need for constant validation from strangers on the internet

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Does anyone here feel that there is not a strong Jewish and pro-Israel lobby in the United States?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Does anyone here feel that there is not a strong Jewish and pro-Israel lobby in the United States?

First of all, apart from Murdoch, every other media owner...happens to be Jewish.

Second, a lot of lawyers and politicians happen to be Jewish or pro Israel.

Third, no one can give me a valid reason as to why USA is such a huge ally for Israel.

Religious reasons is one that gets mentioned, but for a secular country, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

The other is Israel is the only democracy in the middle east...and them Palestinians are ebul people.