Originally posted by CosmicCometHence why I've gotcha!
Explain.The only thing I've ever said is if you are strong enough to complete a feat you are durable enough to complete it as well.
The 800 lb guy is obviously not going to be strong enough/durable enough. His frame is already being taxed to the limit from just laying around at that weight.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Oh, but no one is arguing one to one, that would be an absolute minimum. 🙂And the evidence is within the feats themselves. Hulk holds up part of a mountain in Secret Wars, his body is straining as its not easy for him to hold it up. Guess what that means? It's a durability feat. 🙂
Of course it's a durability feat, I don't think anyone is arguing against that.
Now, when you say 1:1 is an absolute minimum, which way are you talking? Minimum as in durability is probably greater than strength, or minimum as in strength is probably greater than durability?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
And I do.Comics are riddled with more discardable stupidity than just about any other medium that I enjoy.
Ask yourself what makes more sense to discard though. Hulk being hurt by a street leveler on occasion or Hulk having the durability to lift a mountain?
We do that anyway with the more stupid feats. logic persists even when science doesn't.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You'd be discounting an awful lot of feats if you go down that road.I wouldn't use Superman as an example either, not with the whole bio-aura thing.
There's a lot of things that shouldn't happen, yet they happen; that's comics. These people have powers that don't conform to our laws of physics and whatever else have you; in fact they contradict them at times. That's why the question of strength and durability comes up in the first place, and why they're seperated by a lot of people.
Who knows, these two might be as durable as they are strong; i left that part open in my post. My main question is about whether being 1000x stronger than their previous forms truly puts them above someone who can hold a planet together or smack down Thor like a red-headed step-child.
Why not? Kurse was 4 times stronger than Thor and he was slapping him around.
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Kurse was 4 times stronger than Thor and he was slapping him around.
Think this way. If Wendigo and Bi Beast are normally around 1000-100,000 tons then 1000x would mean they are now around 1,000,000-100,000,000 tons. This is child's play to heralds. Superman at highest is beyond planetary tonnage (think millions and millions of times greater).
Also, the word 'matching' is subjective. Weakers have many times been shown to 'match' strongers in comics. This reason relates to characters being strong enough to lift far more than their opponent's weight and the fact that it takes far less force than a character's strength to hurt them in comics. This means that weakers can smack strongers, toss them, etc. around, giving the illusion that they are in the same strength range. Colossus has matched Hulk and Glads in fights yet he isn't in their strength range. Bats, Namor, Luke Cage, Spidey, Cap, Logan, etc. has matched stronger beings many times over.
Lastly, Savage Hulk was extremely variable in comics in the past. He was operating anywhere from 100 tons of strength to astronomical tonnage. Just because someone hangs with him for a while doesn't mean they have astronomical tonnage strength for he could have been operating below astronomical tonnage. There is plenty of proof to back me up here.
Edit: Another reason why strength=/= durability in a 1:1 ratio (besides comic evidence) is because strength usually pertains to hands/fists and durability usually to the face. For example, I can lift over 200lb with my hands. But if 200lb was on my face in the area of a fist then I would be seriously messed up.
Originally posted by h1a8
Think this way. If Wendigo and Bi Beast are normally around 1000-100,000 tons then 1000x would mean they are now around 1,000,000-100,000,000 tons. This is child's play to heralds. Superman at highest is beyond planetary tonnage (think millions and millions of times greater).Also, the word 'matching' is subjective. Weakers have many times been shown to 'match' strongers in comics. This reason relates to characters being strong enough to lift far more than their opponent's weight and the fact that it takes far less force than a character's strength to hurt them in comics. This means that weakers can smack strongers, toss them, etc. around, giving the illusion that they are in the same strength range. Colossus has matched Hulk and Glads in fights yet he isn't in their strength range. Bats, Namor, Luke Cage, Spidey, Cap, Logan, etc. has matched stronger beings many times over.
Lastly, Savage Hulk was extremely variable in comics in the past. He was operating anywhere from 100 tons of strength to astronomical tonnage. Just because someone hangs with him for a while doesn't mean they have astronomical tonnage strength for he could have been operating below astronomical tonnage. There is plenty of proof to back me up here.
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Another reason why strength=/= durability in a 1:1 ratio (besides comic evidence) is because strength usually pertains to hands/fists and durability usually to the face. For example, I can lift over 200lb with my hands. But if 200lb was on my face in the area of a fist then I would be seriously messed up. [/B]
Just to let you know... I didnt read your post.
Originally posted by carver9
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You need to be clearer, please, though I'll give it a guess.
You can't just assume that because they're 1000x stronger than they were before means that hulk grew 1000 times stronger than his last savage hulk appearance to beat them, if that's where you're going with this. There isn't enough proof.
you're using an outdated fight from a long time ago, and it doesn't really help your case.
unless of course i'm misunderstanding and you mean something else.
Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk overpowered someone that did this.
So?
Originally posted by carver9
Just to let you know... I didnt read your post.
The start of his post is actually right.
Originally posted by carver9
Just to let you know... I didnt read your post.
That's because you don't want to lose and see the error of your thinking.
Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk overpowered someone that did this.
Carv you are bordering on trolling here. I can point out that Namor overpowered someone that overpowered someone that did this. You can't cherry pick scenarios to falsely engineer a way to achieve your goal.
Glads busting a planet with a few punches doesn't mean he is using that same power EVERYTIME he hits someone. Otherwise, that would make everyone he hit able to withstand planet busting attacks with ease (or it would mean they are planet busting level since you equate durability with strength).
