Originally posted by Cogito
I don't recall Ultraman lifting it easily. I do agree that Marvel couldn't do it, it was all about Superman. He never tried to lift it himself, IIRC, so we can't say that he couldn't do it.I don't recall bring up any of those types of feats. I'm talking strictly about the book here.
I don't think I need to point out specific instances in which Superman has tanked trans/HH punches though. Planet destroying? Not really his M.O. He can do it though.
So your entire post was basically "ifs"?
So if I circled 3 Wonder Woman's around Superman and they start punching him...would he tank them?
What fts are you using that's comparable to Hulks?
Ultraman soloed that book...where did Cap struggle?
Originally posted by Naija boy
Bomb=\= physical force. What makes hulk feat so impressive is the fact that the kinetic energy generated was directed at hulk and she hulk and so consequently directly acted on their bodies. What destroyed hte planet rather was residual KE in the shockwave which radiated outwards. It also damaged/destroyed a nearby moon which given the distance from moons to planets and due to the inverse square law makes it even more impressive. For instance, people destroy bricks all the time in real life. Impressive. If a person destroyed a brick by punching an entirely different object, then the latter would be astronomically more impressive. This is obviously what pak was going for as he already had it acknowledged that hulk could wreck planets even at his WWh levels.
Ohhwee we bout to get waaaay OT here!
There was a considerable amount of heat depicted, so the way that I interpreted the sequence was that Pak was working the gamma energy angle with Hulk and Betty acting as a couple of hyper powered gamma missiles being fired at one another.
Kinetic energy is calculated from the mass and the magnitude of the velocity of an object right? Heat is not apart of the equation at all therefore kinetic energy from an impact would never result in the type of heat that we saw in that scene unless the kinetic energy is somehow converted into thermal energy upon impact. That would be impossible under normal circumstances. That scene had all of the elements of a massive detonation/explosion. An initial release of tremendous heat, followed by massive overpressure/ shockwave.
Originally posted by carver9
So your entire post was basically "ifs"?So if I circled 3 Wonder Woman's around Superman and they start punching him...would he tank them?
What fts are you using that's comparable to Hulks?
Ultraman soloed that book...where do Cap struggle?
Ok... you're thinking that I'm taking away from Hulk's feats. I'm not, I assure you. What he did was unquestionably impressive. That's why I ranked him number one.
To make the claim that Superman has never taken punches from Hulk-like characters is ridiculous and not worth responding to.
My point about Superman, which was (I think) the point Morrison was trying to make in FC, was this:
Superman will always save the day. Always. He has this infinite reservoir of power, if you will, and he'll tap into as much as he needs to get the job done. Why? Because he's motherf***in' Superman.
Now, before you start laughing, let me finish with where I'm going. Superman does not tap into all of this power all the time. I'm not suggesting he could go out and solo the multiverse. He relies on teammates and such to help. He'll always lean on the team when possible, and the amount of power he contributes is proportionally reduced.
So yes, I do think Superman could lift that book by himself. That doesn't mean he isn't going to ask Captain Marvel for help.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so hercules can beat 1000 windigos?
Hercules at best can. Hercules on average can't. But beating someone has nothing to do with strength. Durability, downplaying, skill, speed, etc. are other factors. Also, in comics forces far less than a character's strength can hurt them. This means that Savage Hulk could have just performed a billion ton feat and Iron Man comes around and kos him with low class 100 blows.
Would you say that Colossus can compare to Glads in the strength department just because he can affect him with his blows? What about Namor and high feat level Savage Hulk?
Originally posted by D-Block
Neither does CM he holds back just as much as Supes but i get what you are saying about Supes being DCs choice to always save the day.
I'm not talking about Superman pulling his punches, I'm talking about his peak - his maximum capacity - rising to whatever level is needed.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok... you're thinking that I'm taking away from Hulk's feats. I'm not, I assure you. What he did was unquestionably impressive. That's why I ranked him number one.To make the claim that Superman has never taken punches from Hulk-like characters is ridiculous and not worth responding to.
My point about Superman, which was (I think) the point Morrison was trying to make in FC, was this:
Superman will always save the day. Always. He has this infinite reservoir of power, if you will, and he'll tap into as much as he needs to get the job done. Why? Because he's motherf***in' Superman.
Now, before you start laughing, let me finish with where I'm going. Superman does not tap into all of this power all the time. I'm not suggesting he could go out and solo the multiverse. He relies on teammates and such to help. He'll always lean on the team when possible, and the amount of power he contributes is proportionally reduced.
So yes, I do think Superman could lift that book by himself. That doesn't mean he isn't going to ask Captain Marvel for help.
I agree...Superman is the go to hero...I would choose him over ANY hero to have my back but that doesn't mean that he will repeat fts that he is incapable of.
If he didn't need help, he never would have had Cap with him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hercules at best can. Hercules on average can't. But beating someone has nothing to do with strength. Durability, downplaying, skill, speed, etc. are other factors. Also, in comics forces far less than a character's strength can hurt them. This means that Savage Hulk could have just performed a billion ton feat and Iron Man comes around and kos him with low class 100 blows.Would you say that Colossus can compare to Glads in the strength department just because he can affect him with his blows? What about Namor and high feat level Savage Hulk?
Namor a thousand times stronger would wreck any herald physically imo.
The rest of your comments are boo boo. Wendigo overpowered Hulk...Bi Beast overpowered Hulk. That's all we need to gauge their strength.
That's the same reason we know that people like Doomsday and Darkseid are physically high 100's. They don't have a single lifting or pulling ft but looking at their fights, its pretty much common sense that they could probably do well in a tug of war against Savage Hulk or Thor.
Originally posted by dmills
😂I take it that's a big rivalry thing in the mold of Hulk/Thor back in the day?
More or less depending on who you talk to. The sad thing is that DC doesn't know what to do with Captain Marvel outside of playing to the CM/Superman rivalry because idiots - both fans and writers - think that if Captain Marvel is given the opportunity to shine on his own it somehow demeans or lessens Superman.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
your just coming up with an excuse to lowball hulk
I don't lowball him. I accept his feats but I think you should be fair too and accept Supermans infinite book feat.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how come you guys are not getting warnings? 😬
Because we don't lowball anyone and just talk about on panel facts?
Originally posted by carver9
So you admit that Ultraman>>>Captain Marvel and Superman combined since Ultraman easily lifted the same book that Cap and Supes struggled against? Gotcha.What planet destroying ft are you referring to with Superman that is greater than Hulk. What trans tier punches did Superman tank that resembles Hulk ft. What high Herald punches did Superman tank?
How do you get that Ultraman >>> over CM and Superman is beyond me. Reread it again. And even if we go by what you call "logic", then we have Ultraman > Superman > current Hulk > Wendigo+Bi-Beast x 1000. Going by feats.
Gotcha!
Superman doesn't need to prove anything else as the infinite book feat put him already beyond Hulk. See, easy. Why should he need to replicate lesser feats if he has this uber feat under his belt.
Originally posted by carver9
And Gladiator is the most powerful being in the universe and Martian Manhunter is >>>the entire JLA combined.Good points.
How do you come to Glads or MM and what they are doing here is beyond me.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so hercules can beat 1000 windigos?
No but 1 Hercules can beat an 1000x amped Wendigo. 1000 normal Wendigos can beat an 1000x amped Wendigo with ease.
Originally posted by carver9
So your entire post was basically "ifs"?So if I circled 3 Wonder Woman's around Superman and they start punching him...would he tank them?
What fts are you using that's comparable to Hulks?
Ultraman soloed that book...where did Cap struggle?
No, his post wasn't about if's at all...
What feats are you using that are comparable to Supermans infinite book feat?
Superman could have done the same but Cap was there, supes is reasonable and Cap struggled, look at the comic.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok... you're thinking that I'm taking away from Hulk's feats. I'm not, I assure you. What he did was unquestionably impressive. That's why I ranked him number one.To make the claim that Superman has never taken punches from Hulk-like characters is ridiculous and not worth responding to.
My point about Superman, which was (I think) the point Morrison was trying to make in FC, was this:
Superman will always save the day. Always. He has this infinite reservoir of power, if you will, and he'll tap into as much as he needs to get the job done. Why? Because he's motherf***in' Superman.
Now, before you start laughing, let me finish with where I'm going. Superman does not tap into all of this power all the time. I'm not suggesting he could go out and solo the multiverse. He relies on teammates and such to help. He'll always lean on the team when possible, and the amount of power he contributes is proportionally reduced.
So yes, I do think Superman could lift that book by himself. That doesn't mean he isn't going to ask Captain Marvel for help.
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Originally posted by Cogito
Ok... you're thinking that I'm taking away from Hulk's feats. I'm not, I assure you. What he did was unquestionably impressive. That's why I ranked him number one.To make the claim that Superman has never taken punches from Hulk-like characters is ridiculous and not worth responding to.
My point about Superman, which was (I think) the point Morrison was trying to make in FC, was this:
Superman will always save the day. Always. He has this infinite reservoir of power, if you will, and he'll tap into as much as he needs to get the job done. Why? Because he's motherf***in' Superman.
Now, before you start laughing, let me finish with where I'm going. Superman does not tap into all of this power all the time. I'm not suggesting he could go out and solo the multiverse. He relies on teammates and such to help. He'll always lean on the team when possible, and the amount of power he contributes is proportionally reduced.
So yes, I do think Superman could lift that book by himself. That doesn't mean he isn't going to ask Captain Marvel for help.
On the other hand, you could apply this logic to other characters. Thor would be the best example. Rising up to meet the challenge isn't a trait exclusive to Superman. True, he's been doing it longer but that's beside the point.
Using the logic you are on a forum would basically defeat the purpose.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't lowball him. I accept his feats but I think you should be fair too and accept Supermans infinite book feat.Because we don't lowball anyone and just talk about on panel facts?
How do you get that Ultraman >>> over CM and Superman is beyond me. Reread it again. And even if we go by what you call "logic", then we have Ultraman > Superman > current Hulk > Wendigo+Bi-Beast x 1000. Going by feats.
Gotcha!
Superman doesn't need to prove anything else as the infinite book feat put him already beyond Hulk. See, easy. Why should he need to replicate lesser feats if he has this uber feat under his belt.
How do you come to Glads or MM and what they are doing here is beyond me.
No but 1 Hercules can beat an 1000x amped Wendigo. 1000 normal Wendigos can beat an 1000x amped Wendigo with ease.
No, his post wasn't about if's at all...
What feats are you using that are comparable to Supermans infinite book feat?
Superman could have done the same but Cap was there, supes is reasonable and Cap struggled, look at the comic.
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Beyonder stated that Savage Hulk has unlimited strength and Wendigo matched Savage Hulk (using your logic).
Oh, I read it buddy. Ultraman lifted the same book up with ease. It took both Cap and Supes to lift that same book. It was stated in a JLA comic that Martian Manhunter was more powerful than the entire JLA combined.
It was stated on panel that Gladiator has infinite strength AND that he is the most powerful being in the universe.
Wendigo performance against Hulk is better than Herc performance against Hulk. Savage Hulk has taken it to the entire Avengers including Herc and wrecked them whereas Wendigo soloed Savage Hulk on his lonesome and held his own "on more than one occasion".
You are clearly hating.