Ok. Savage Hulks strength wasn't constant... that was the point about Savage Hulk, he could amp his strength but wasn't always on top.
Wendigo (depends on the version) and Bi-Beast were most likely not Herald level or High Class 100.
You can't argue that way, else everyone who put up a decent fight with savage Hulk (at a lower level) is his equal on his highest level.
Anyway. Let's take this statement to be true and they are 1000x times stronger. So since they are max Class 100 (not high class+) They can lift now 100.000+ tons. Impressive but still not that impressive 🙂.
And if you accept the statement of a char to be true. Then you have also to accept Flash can do an IMP. And Superman lifted at least the half of INFINITY.
So ok Bi-Beast and Wendigo are now 1000x more powerful then their mid-class 100, Hulk was weaker and tricked bfr them, later he became stronger. All is good BUT that means Superman can lift Infinity or the half of infinity, which doesn't really matter.
And no PIS crying now please and no Lowballing Carver... Don't take Wendigo/Bi-Beast and Hulk at their best (without looking at their worst) and compare it to supes worst, takes his best and he is infinitely strong 😉.
I love character statements and narrations, for sure 😄.
Originally posted by dmills
Hate to go RWP here, but I hope you know that placing emphasis on him not touching the planet vs touching the planet is all but redundant. Detonation at an optimal height in the air above a target would cause considerably more damage then a straight up surface impact detonation.
Bomb=\= physical force. What makes hulk feat so impressive is the fact that the kinetic energy generated was directed at hulk and she hulk and so consequently directly acted on their bodies. What destroyed hte planet rather was residual KE in the shockwave which radiated outwards. It also damaged/destroyed a nearby moon which given the distance from moons to planets and due to the inverse square law makes it even more impressive. For instance, people destroy bricks all the time in real life. Impressive. If a person destroyed a brick by punching an entirely different object, then the latter would be astronomically more impressive. This is obviously what pak was going for as he already had it acknowledged that hulk could wreck planets even at his WWh levels.
Originally posted by Cogito
For what? Stating feats that you apparently don't like?😐
Half of Final Crisis was about how Superman can achieve the impossible. His story is too great to die...he can lift infinite weight...he can carry the Bleed...
So you admit that Ultraman>>>Captain Marvel and Superman combined since Ultraman easily lifted the same book that Cap and Supes struggled against? Gotcha.
What planet destroying ft are you referring to with Superman that is greater than Hulk. What trans tier punches did Superman tank that resembles Hulk ft. What high Herald punches did Superman tank?
Originally posted by Cogito
For what? Stating feats that you apparently don't like?😐
Half of Final Crisis was about how Superman can achieve the impossible. His story is too great to die...he can lift infinite weight...he can carry the Bleed...
And Gladiator is the most powerful being in the universe and Martian Manhunter is >>>the entire JLA combined.
Good points.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok. Savage Hulks strength wasn't constant... that was the point about Savage Hulk, he could amp his strength but wasn't always on top.Wendigo (depends on the version) and Bi-Beast were most likely not Herald level or High Class 100.
You can't argue that way, else everyone who put up a decent fight with savage Hulk (at a lower level) is his equal on his highest level.
Anyway. Let's take this statement to be true and they are 1000x times stronger. So since they are max Class 100 (not high class+) They can lift now 100.000+ tons. Impressive but still not that impressive 🙂.
And if you accept the statement of a char to be true. Then you have also to accept Flash can do an IMP. And Superman lifted at least the half of INFINITY.
So ok Bi-Beast and Wendigo are now 1000x more powerful then their mid-class 100, Hulk was weaker and tricked bfr them, later he became stronger. All is good BUT that means Superman can lift Infinity or the half of infinity, which doesn't really matter.
And no PIS crying now please and no Lowballing Carver... Don't take Wendigo/Bi-Beast and Hulk at their best (without looking at their worst) and compare it to supes worst, takes his best and he is infinitely strong 😉.
I love character statements and narrations, for sure 😄.
First thing you don't know anything about any of the characters. Second thing...using statements will not help you at all because I can post some that would put a lot of these characters that was brought up into shame.
Originally posted by carver9
So you admit that Ultraman>>>Captain Marvel and Superman combined since Ultraman easily lifted the same book that Cap and Supes struggled against? Gotcha.
I don't recall Ultraman lifting it easily. I do agree that Marvel couldn't do it, it was all about Superman. He never tried to lift it himself, IIRC, so we can't say that he couldn't do it.
Originally posted by carver9
What planet destroying ft are you referring to with Superman that is greater than Hulk. What trans tier punches did Superman tank that resembles Hulk ft. What high Herald punches did Superman tank?
I don't recall bring up any of those types of feats. I'm talking strictly about the book here.
I don't think I need to point out specific instances in which Superman has tanked trans/HH punches though. Planet destroying? Not really his M.O. He can do it though.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C😕
wendigo is as strong as immortal hercules
Originally posted by Naija boy
Bomb=\= physical force. What makes hulk feat so impressive is the fact that the kinetic energy generated was directed at hulk and she hulk and so consequently directly acted on their bodies. What destroyed hte planet rather was residual KE in the shockwave which radiated outwards. It also damaged/destroyed a nearby moon which given the distance from moons to planets and due to the inverse square law makes it even more impressive. For instance, people destroy bricks all the time in real life. Impressive. If a person destroyed a brick by punching an entirely different object, then the latter would be astronomically more impressive. This is obviously what pak was going for as he already had it acknowledged that hulk could wreck planets even at his WWh levels.
I disagree that it was entirely kinectic energy as we seen gamma energies pouring out from them right before they collided. They means the collision was shown to released their own internal energies to achieve the feat. I don't remember it destroying a moon but just the planet they were on. I'll look again.
Originally posted by carver9You trolling again, about the cherry picking of feats to make your argument work.
So you admit that Ultraman>>>Captain Marvel and Superman combined since Ultraman easily lifted the same book that Cap and Supes struggled against? Gotcha.What planet destroying ft are you referring to with Superman that is greater than Hulk. What trans tier punches did Superman tank that resembles Hulk ft. What high Herald punches did Superman tank?
Wendigo and Bi-Beast are low-mid class 100 beings. Multiplying them by 1000 would still keep them in mid class 100. Maybe you don't know what high 100 is. But it is far far far greater than mid class 100.
So they are no where near high class 100 beings, let alone trans.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's because you don't want to lose and see the error of your thinking.Carv you are bordering on trolling here. I can point out that Namor overpowered someone that overpowered someone that did this. You can't cherry pick scenarios to falsely engineer a way to achieve your goal.
Glads busting a planet with a few punches doesn't mean he is using that same power EVERYTIME he hits someone. Otherwise, that would make everyone he hit able to withstand planet busting attacks with ease (or it would mean they are planet busting level since you equate durability with strength).
Originally posted by h1a8
Think this way. If Wendigo and Bi Beast are normally around 1000-100,000 tons then 1000x would mean they are now around 1,000,000-100,000,000 tons. This is child's play to heralds. Superman at highest is beyond planetary tonnage (think millions and millions of times greater).Also, the word 'matching' is subjective. Weakers have many times been shown to 'match' strongers in comics. This reason relates to characters being strong enough to lift far more than their opponent's weight and the fact that it takes far less force than a character's strength to hurt them in comics. This means that weakers can smack strongers, toss them, etc. around, giving the illusion that they are in the same strength range. Colossus has matched Hulk and Glads in fights yet he isn't in their strength range. Bats, Namor, Luke Cage, Spidey, Cap, Logan, etc. has matched stronger beings many times over.
Lastly, Savage Hulk was extremely variable in comics in the past. He was operating anywhere from 100 tons of strength to astronomical tonnage. Just because someone hangs with him for a while doesn't mean they have astronomical tonnage strength for he could have been operating below astronomical tonnage. There is plenty of proof to back me up here.
[b]Edit:
Another reason why strength=/= durability in a 1:1 ratio (besides comic evidence) is because strength usually pertains to hands/fists and durability usually to the face. For example, I can lift over 200lb with my hands. But if 200lb was on my face in the area of a fist then I would be seriously messed up. [/B]
Finally, Carv
how can you be portrayed to be as strong as someone whos strength grows?
If Wendigo is strong as low-mid class 100 savage Hulk that doesn't mean he would be as strong when Hulk's strength increases.