Order these guys in physical strength

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On the other hand, you could apply this logic to other characters. Thor would be the best example. Rising up to meet the challenge isn't a trait exclusive to Superman. True, he's been doing it longer but that's beside the point.

IMO, Superman is the only one in comics. Sure, Thor doesn't exactly give up, and he's done a lot of impressive things that are normally beyond his abilities (e.g. see Exitar). Superman is different...he can do what is meant to be impossible. Now, on average, just about anything Superman can do, Thor can do also (and vice-versa).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Using the logic you are on a forum would basically defeat the purpose.

I added the part about Superman not being able to solo the multiverse because of this. I'm just trying to provide an explanation for his feats.

Originally posted by dmills
Ohhwee we bout to get waaaay OT here!

There was a considerable amount of heat depicted, so the way that I interpreted the sequence was that Pak was working the gamma energy angle with Hulk and Betty acting as a couple of hyper powered gamma missiles being fired at one another.

Kinetic energy is calculated from the mass and the magnitude of the velocity of an object right? Heat is not apart of the equation at all therefore kinetic energy from an impact would never result in the type of heat that we saw in that scene unless the kinetic energy is somehow converted into thermal energy upon impact. That would be impossible under normal circumstances. That scene had all of the elements of a massive detonation/explosion. An initial release of tremendous heat, followed by massive overpressure/ shockwave.

There was a lot of heat depicted but to suggst that this feat was akin to to gamma missiles hitting each other would defeeat paks specific purpose of showing hulks strength increase....in favor of displaying new energy projection powers. The scene has to be interpreted in light of authorial intention. Its like when hulk wrecked newyork and the eastern seaboard with a step..people tried to suggest that it was the energy projection not the force of the step that did it even though pak tried to make it specifically clear( and did later on repeatedly) that it was the step itself. Pak throughout the run has been working the strength angle and it would be inconsistent to say the least if he would ensure that hulks greatest feat in his run was largely facilitated by energy rather than strength.

Oh and during inelastic collisions part of the kinetic energy is turned into heat energy due to the scraping of the molecules of the two objects. How much heat energy exactly that is generated varies and is calculable ( which in this case is impossible anyway since we don't have any of the values necessary). There is also the issue of the planet being destroyed( it's core being compromised and all) perhaps adding to the heat of the explosion. Safe to say however that pak himself didn't think that far at all, and just wanted to portray a cool strength feat. Which I believe he did.

Originally posted by carver9
Beyonder stated that Savage Hulk has unlimited strength and Wendigo matched Savage Hulk (using your logic).

Unlimited potential maybe and beyonder was rectonned so it means what? Except of this, Hulk never did anything that required infinite strength, unlike Superman.

Originally posted by carver9

Oh, I read it buddy. Ultraman lifted the same book up with ease. It took both Cap and Supes to lift that same book. It was stated in a JLA comic that Martian Manhunter was more powerful than the entire JLA combined.

CM struggled while Superman stood there, upright. Still Ultraman infinite Book feat >>> anything the Hulk HAS DONE on panel, gotcha!
MM by who? He has the potential, MM would take Hulk for sure. ^^

Originally posted by carver9

It was stated on panel that Gladiator has infinite strength AND that he is the most powerful being in the universe.

No it wasn't, it was stated his strength is incalculable (the limit of the machine not his). He lacks the feat to prove this to be true, like the Hulk. Superman has both, the statement and most important the FEAT.

And even if the infinite Book feat was shared, so was Hulks recent feat, so drop your doublestandard and accept both, Carv my boy, it ain't healthy what you are doing now. 😉

Originally posted by carver9

Wendigo performance against Hulk is better than Herc performance against Hulk. Savage Hulk has taken it to the entire Avengers including Herc and wrecked them whereas Wendigo soloed Savage Hulk on his lonesome and held his own "on more than one occasion".

Another Wendigo. And it still doesn't matter, why talk abou8t low feats when we have the best of both to compare?

Destroying a planet (or "pocket"Dimension) with Help vs Lifting an infinite weight with help... Which is greater Carv, honestly?

Originally posted by carver9

You are clearly hating.

Actually you are 😐. I'm just comparing the best of both.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Unlimited potential maybe and beyonder was rectonned so it means what? Except of this, Hulk never did anything that required infinite strength, unlike Superman.

CM struggled while Superman stood there, upright. Still Ultraman infinite Book feat >>> anything the Hulk HAS DONE on panel, gotcha!
MM by who? He has the potential, MM would take Hulk for sure. ^^

No it wasn't, it was stated his strength is incalculable (the limit of the machine not his). He lacks the feat to prove this to be true, like the Hulk. Superman has both, the statement and most important the FEAT.

And even if the infinite Book feat was shared, so was Hulks recent feat, so drop your doublestandard and accept both, Carv my boy, it ain't healthy what you are doing now. 😉

Another Wendigo. And it still doesn't matter, why talk abou8t low feats when we have the best of both to compare?

Destroying a planet (or "pocket"Dimension) with Help vs Lifting an infinite weight with help... Which is greater Carv, honestly?

Actually you are 😐. I'm just comparing the best of both.

This post is full of fail. Ignored.

Have a good one batman prime and enjoy talking to yourself.

How strong is the current hulk?

I thought he was the savage hulk again.

Originally posted by SouthSpawn
How strong is the current hulk?

I thought he was the savage hulk again.

And the Wendigo and Bi Beast that you see was amped a 1000 Times above their average strength. Armageddon was amped as well and that dimension had the Mindless Ones there as well and they died during the impact of the Hulks.

That dimensional barrier that Hulk thunderclapped Fing Fang into that broke into tiny pieces was the same barrier that Umar and Dormammu put up to trap the Mindless Ones.

Originally posted by carver9
This post is full of fail. Ignored.

Have a good one batman prime and enjoy talking to yourself.

When exposed and proved to be wrong, you put someone on ignore? Damn, should've done this earlier 😆

Originally posted by carver9
And the Wendigo and Bi Beast that you see was amped a 1000 Times above their average strength. Armageddon was amped as well and that dimension had the Mindless Ones there as well and they died during the impact of the Hulks.

Or amped at all?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
What feats do these 1000x amped wendigo and bi-beast have to prove that they are 1000x amped?

Or amped at all?

A wish. Stop responding to my post involving anything regarding Hulk. We know how your mind is set about Hulk and I'm not the one to change it.

Originally posted by carver9
A wish. Stop responding to my post involving anything regarding Hulk. We know how your mind is set about Hulk and I'm not the one to change it.

Shut up then.

Originally posted by carver9

Carver,

Been out of reading the comics for awhile.

Why is the pic that you showed me a big deal?
Is it because the floor is breaking?

Savage hulk has done stuff like this before.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
What feats do these 1000x amped wendigo and bi-beast have to prove that they are 1000x amped?

Or amped at all?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
So you have no feats.

Shut up then.

I would receive warnings if I was going through Superman threads doing what you do in Hulk threads.

😆 Boy this thread is really going places.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Bomb=\= physical force. What makes hulk feat so impressive is the fact that the kinetic energy generated was directed at hulk and she hulk and so consequently directly acted on their bodies. What destroyed hte planet rather was residual KE in the shockwave which radiated outwards. It also damaged/destroyed a nearby moon which given the distance from moons to planets and due to the inverse square law makes it even more impressive. For instance, people destroy bricks all the time in real life. Impressive. If a person destroyed a brick by punching an entirely different object, then the latter would be astronomically more impressive. This is obviously what pak was going for as he already had it acknowledged that hulk could wreck planets even at his WWh levels.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/70848220.jpg/

If ure talkin bout that panel, i doubt that the initial kinetic energy released was the cause.. The resulting explosion from the planet seems to have damaged the moon.. Actually i dont really see much damage on that moon if at all any...

Originally posted by carver9
I would receive warnings if I was going through Superman threads doing what you do in Hulk threads.

Badabing deciding to squash this thread

Originally posted by dmills
Badabing deciding to squash this thread

How dare you cover up pimpmaster asura