Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by JuntaiYeah, I think Sodam Yat was doing alright. The lead wasn't shoved into him, you're right on that. But the lead was powering him down before he got stabbed. His shields tried to compensate, but like you said, the shields were breached. And I don't think Yat did as bad as you believe. They were fighting hard both before and right after the lead poisoning for pages, a time where Sodam Yat was still holding back. Eventually, in the last two pages, Prime completely overwhelmed him, but not before Yat put up a strong fight and drew his share of blood from Prime. Considering the fight he put up while holding back and even when he got poisoned, a healthy Sodam Yat is a notch or two below Superman Prime.
Doing alright? He had his face smashed in and a uranium rod shoved through his stomach, before any lead took any effect on his body. It wasn't lead that was shoved into him, the lead AROUND him was allowed in when Superboy effortless jabbed through his shielding and his body with a uranium rod. After initial contact was made with Superboy, he was in a fight for survival, not a fight to win. Tackling him into water and shooting heat vision into him did little to persuade me he was actually handling his own in that fight when the next couple of panels have him being absolutely wrecked, blood flying from his face and a hole through his abdomen. Lucky to survive if anything.
Originally posted by JuntaiSuperman Prime unamped is below Monarch. I know this because Monarch beat the Guardian power out of an amped Superman Prime. The convenient containment suit rupture was Superman Prime's only chance, and he he undisputingly took it. Having the Guardian amp beaten out of him = significant damage which Monarch rendered.
How can you say Superman Prime is between Monarch and Sodam Yat, when invariably, he defeated and nearly killed both of them[the latter of which he did as Superboy Prime, and not Superman Prime, as the gap would have been even more significant if that were the case] and neither of them did any real signifant damage to him outside of a universal level quantum explosion going off in his face?
Originally posted by JuntaiPrime's rampage against the
And perhaps I'm a bit behind on Hulk, I haven't been on the forums in some time, but what has he done that's even remotely close to what Prime was doing in countdown and SCWar, because the stuff I do know, like the old WWH material.. he didn't even scratch that surface.
Monarch => Guardian-amped Superman Prime >>>>> Superman Prime >> healthy Ion Sodam Yat. I have no problem believing that and placing current Hulk right there with both Prime and Yat physically.
Originally posted by cdtmYes, the Ion upgrade made Sodam Yat more powerful.
I don't get why Sodam Yats powers even made a difference.. They should be nothing compared to Superboy Primes.Did the Ion Power upgrade them somehow?
Originally posted by tssclsFixed.
SBP is above PC kryptonian power levels if you, y'know, completely ignore every single thing he's done since he's been re-introduced.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes, the Ion upgrade made Sodam Yat more powerful. Fixed.
I mean his base Daxamite powers.
I understand the Ion power made him powerful, but the comic made a big deal about his Daxamite powers manifesting under a yellow sun, which should be vastly inferior to his Ion power, or Superboy Primes power set.
^ I don't have to prove a negative. Prove to me, through on-panel feats, that Superman Prime is stronger than a PC Kryptonian, y'know... the dudes that sneeze away solar systems. Because that's what you asserted and your conclusion is what I'm disagreeing with.
Originally posted by cdtmI'm not sure how this matters either way so I'm not sure how to respond. I have no doubt that the In power made him stronger, more durable, and have a greater healing factor at the very least. But being a Daxamite heavily impacted the fight because lead poisoning is the touch of death for them. Even with the full Ion power at his command, he couldn't reverse the damage.
I mean his base Daxamite powers.I understand the Ion power made him powerful, but the comic made a big deal about his Daxamite powers manifesting under a yellow sun, which should be vastly inferior to his Ion power, or Superboy Primes power set.
^ PC Superman moved Earth at FTL speeds. PC Superman also actually moved Earth just using his superbreath. Even more than that, PC Superman has moved stars with his superbreath. And even more than that, PC Superman sneezed away an entire solar system.
Moving a planet at superspeed does not approach the upper range of those feats above. Superman Prime would need to move a galaxy's worth of planets simultaneously to approach PC Superboy.
Changing the center of the universe was the result of planet-moving. He never punched out of the Speedforce. He punched out of the Phantom Zone. And PC Superman was busting through so many barriers that he nearly busted through the barrier to Heaven which would have destroyed countless civilizations.
Superman Prime is far below PC Kryptonians.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ PC Superman moved Earth at FTL speeds. PC Superman also actually moved Earth just using his superbreath. Even more than that, PC Superman has moved stars with his superbreath. And even more than that, PC Superman sneezed away an entire solar system.Moving a planet at superspeed does not approach the upper range of those feats above. Superman Prime would need to move a galaxy's worth of planets simultaneously to approach PC Superboy.
Changing the center of the universe was the result of planet-moving. He never punched out of the Speedforce. He punched out of the Phantom Zone. And PC Superman was busting through so many barriers that he nearly busted through the barrier to Heaven which would have destroyed countless civilizations.
Superman Prime is far below PC Kryptonians.
Changing the center of the Universe would require to move not only Planet at > FTL speed but Stars. Some Galaxies worth of Stars and Planets. Don't you think? Depends on where the new center is supposed to be. I would have to reread IC to see where it moved. But he had to move them > FTL speed else he would need hundreds of years.
TBH this is a PCesque feat in my book. And I read almost only PC stuff in the 80ties and was still a lot in PC during the early 90ties.
Ok then the Phantom Zone and the place he was with Kal-L. Still impressive enough, even in PC days.
Originally posted by iceman24567IIRC, the speedsters brought Superboy Prime into the future. Jay, who couldn't keep up and was left in the present, ended up being disconnected from the Speedforce at that point. Superboy Prime was imprisoned by the speedsters within a room with red sunlight off-panel. Somehow, he constructed his sunlight Anti-Monitor armor, broke out and time-traveled back to the present time. Bart ended up using the Speedforce to travel backwards in time but, for whatever reason, because he was pushing himself so hard (because he wanted to arrive in advance of Superboy Prime), Bart ended up losing his connection to the Speedforce also.
I thought it was always assumed that Prime broke out of the speed force by going ftl?
I don't recall Superman Prime ever "breaking" the Speedforce. Somehow, Jay and Bart's connection to it was severed as a result of time-traveling.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSuperman Prime never moved stars around. Only planets. And they never said how many. I don't know why slightly shifting the orbits of certain planets ended up changing the center of the universe. It just did.
Changing the center of the Universe would require to move not only Planet at > FTL speed but Stars. Some Galaxies worth of Stars and Planets. Don't you think? Depends on where the new center is supposed to be. I would have to reread IC to see where it moved. But he had to move them > FTL speed else he would need hundreds of years.TBH this is a PCesque feat in my book. And I read almost only PC stuff in the 80ties and was still a lot in PC during the early 90ties.
Ok then the Phantom Zone and the place he was with Kal-L. Still impressive enough, even in PC days.
Kal-L when he returned wasn't PC levels either as he was evenly fighting Kal-El. So the strength to bust the dimensional barriers of their Paradise required only Superman-level strength. Not PC-Kryptonian strength.
Bottom-line, Superman Prime ain't sneezing away a solar system.
