Current Hulk vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman Prime never moved stars around. Only planets. And they never said how many. I don't know why slightly shifting the orbits of certain planets ended up changing the center of the universe. It just did.

Kal-L when he returned wasn't PC levels either as he was evenly fighting Kal-El. So the strength to bust the dimensional barriers of their Paradise required only Superman-level strength. Not PC-Kryptonian strength.

Bottom-line, Superman Prime ain't sneezing away a solar system.

Maybe Kal-el has become so powerful over time that he could keep up with an old PC Kryptonian? Kal-L also wasn't able to punch his way out of their place as easy as SBP did. SBP was obviously stronger.

Changing the Center of the Universe... slightly changing the orbits of certain planets? I had to overread a page leading to such a conclusion, my bad.
I think it's more likely that he had to move some Planets, the Suns and everything else around to another place to change the center of the Universe.
I disagree with your interpretation completly. While the comic surely wanted to show SBP impressive strength your version would make everything seem like it was nothing special at all. I think that's more unlikely.

Sneezing away solar system wasn't in every PC comic, most of those I read were on par or even quite below of what SBP did in IC.
There were a lot of comics during this time and sure, the most impressive feats became a myth but they were far from the regular, on the contrary, they were exceptions.

Like almost always I have to disagree with your version. 🙂

^ I'm not dignifying this with a response.

Do yourself a favor and go hate on current Hulk. You're better at it than trying to pretend that current Superman is a PC Kryptonian, let alone Superman Prime being one.

PC Superman pushed a star back with his super breath.

When did Prime do anything that ridiculous?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not dignifying this with a response.

Do yourself a favor and go hate on current Hulk. You're better at it than trying to pretend that current Superman is a PC Kryptonian, let alone Superman Prime being one.

Spoiler:
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not dignifying this with a response.

Do yourself a favor and go hate on current Hulk. You're better at it than trying to pretend that current Superman is a PC Kryptonian, let alone Superman Prime being one.

😂

I thought I was the only one that noticed he was hating on Hulk.

OneDumbG0 has proven to be Marvel bias to the highest degree. In every single thread he has argued against D.C. and for Marvel (not even me nor Quanchi nor Carver nor whoever has done that). Every thread! His opinion can't be respected.

With that said, Prime wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
OneDumbG0 has proven to be Marvel bias to the highest degree. In every single thread he has argued against D.C. and for Marvel (not even me nor Quanchi nor Carver nor whoever has done that). Every thread! His opinion can't be respected.

With that said, Prime wins.

lmao

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not dignifying this with a response.

Do yourself a favor and go hate on current Hulk. You're better at it than trying to pretend that current Superman is a PC Kryptonian, let alone Superman Prime being one.

I didn't really expect you to do so, tbh. I know how you play. 😉

We talked about Prime. How do you come to this conclusion? If it helps you feel better, more power to you.

Nice try. Predictable but nice.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
PC Superman got beat by far less than foes who could tow planets around. A lot.

Same with the Legion.

So... unless Mongul was chuckin planets at PC Superman or the Legion... feats? Please?

So PC Superman wasn't always that impressive, according to you.

You are astonishing, sometimes.

I could claim that you love Marvel (and Hulk) and hate DC (or Superman) but why should I. You are so reasonable...

Nevermind. I shouldn't have "dignify" this with a response, my bad. 😉

^ So you were talking about watered down PC Kryptonians circa mid-1980s right before the original Crisis? That's what you were invoking when you said "Superman Prime was greater than a PC Kryptionian?"

I have no real issues with that.

Originally posted by h1a8
OneDumbG0 has proven to be Marvel bias to the highest degree. In every single thread he has argued against D.C. and for Marvel (not even me nor Quanchi nor Carver nor whoever has done that). Every thread! His opinion can't be respected.

With that said, Prime wins.

Having been called a DC fanboy more than once, I find your accusation to be... inaccurate, to say the least. Countering your ongoing nonsense in several threads =/= Marvel fanboyism. Your frustrations with me are misplaced. Don't hate me for slapping your stupid around. Stupid deserves to be slapped. It's God's way.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, I think Sodam Yat was doing alright. The lead wasn't shoved into him, you're right on that. But the lead was powering him down before he got stabbed. His shields tried to compensate, but like you said, the shields were breached. And I don't think Yat did as bad as you believe. They were fighting hard both before and right after the lead poisoning for pages, a time where Sodam Yat was still holding back. Eventually, in the last two pages, Prime completely overwhelmed him, but not before Yat put up a strong fight and drew his share of blood from Prime. Considering the fight he put up while holding back and even when he got poisoned, a healthy Sodam Yat is a notch or two below Superman Prime. Superman Prime unamped is below Monarch. I know this because Monarch beat the Guardian power out of an amped Superman Prime. The convenient containment suit rupture was Superman Prime's only chance, and he he undisputingly took it. Having the Guardian amp beaten out of him = significant damage which Monarch rendered. Prime's rampage against the ninjas heroes rivaled WWIII Black Adam's rampage. And Prime never reached a level where holding back, he was taking foosteps and wrecking continents.

Monarch => Guardian-amped Superman Prime >>>>> Superman Prime >> healthy Ion Sodam Yat. I have no problem believing that and placing current Hulk right there with both Prime and Yat physically.

There's nothing to say he beat the amp out of Prime, only mentioned that the amp was almost gone. And it could easily be because Prime was doing a lot of stuff on and off panel in between point A and B there. He was punching his way through dimensions, killing heros, etc.

It could also be just as easily dismissed as posturing, he was calling him a child in a man's body, saying he was running out of energy, saying he'd consider giving him a job, and that's just on that page.

Even seeing it as Monarch being more powerful and the amp putting him up on that level, he was on that level while still nearly running out and then ended up winning anyways. Both of them were teambusters.

As for the ninja effect? Superboy Prime was ninja effecting everyone from his first re-appearance onwards. It's clear what level he was meant to be on, and it was vastly over Earth's heros. Look at how many guys he defeated or killed, and how many teams of heros he clashed with. And that's the difference between Black Adam and Superboy Prime. Prime was never near Black Adam level, before or afterwards. It wasn't a one time deal. He -let- Black Adam level into him with his best shots, then smiled and said it tickled. Even the Guardians, with the heros, and the Corps were no match for him, even before his upgrade.

Sodam Yat going into a fight with Superboy Prime and surviving it was impressive, that was what it deliberately meaning to portray. That his heritage, ring, and ION power, put him on a level where he could contend with Superboy Prime for a short time, but still several notches below him. Prime was toying with him, was never really threatened by him, and was smashing him fairly easily. And then just looked around and said "Whos next?" at the end of it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your frustrations with me are misplaced. Don't hate me for slapping your stupid around. Stupid deserves to be slapped. It's God's way.

Ouch. 😂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So you were talking about watered down PC Kryptonians circa mid-1980s right before the original Crisis? That's what you were invoking when you said "Superman Prime was greater than a PC Kryptionian?"

So they are differen't characters then... ok, good you tell me this... now.

Did I say that SBP was greater then a PC Kryptonian? I don't think so.
He was greater then Kal-L, maybe this is what made you think so. But if you read IC he was, i guess, wasn't he?
I mean one could argue how he survived the Universebuster that koed him, maybe he had still some amp in him, or he was koed because he was teleported away, wait I see a flower coming my way!
But surviving an Universebuster point blank, would this qualify as PCesque?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
TBH this is a PCesque feat in my book. And I read almost only PC stuff in the 80ties and was still a lot in PC during the early 90ties.

Ok then the Phantom Zone and the place he was with Kal-L. Still impressive enough, even in PC days.

Even in PC days. Good old PC days with a lot of comics, a lot of good feats and some epic-feats. Yes, yes.

Since you didn't fell the need to adress any point that doesn't helps you case and ignore everything that you (understandably) don't like (though, it's obvious why), I think I shouldn't bother, right?

when you logically think about the astronomical advantage prime has in speed along with varying ranged attacks he possesses.......theres really no way he can lose.

And Prime never reached a level where holding back, he was taking foosteps and wrecking continents.

To put this into perspective, a vastly weaker Superman and Doomsday were causing quakes across the entire PLANET just by duking it out.

Not directly stomping it.

This was before post Crisis Superman even did any of his bigger feats, which didn't come until getting powered up post-ressurection.

Originally posted by Estacado
Prime killed Betty so Hulk goes super apeshit fight is on Earth Prime.

1.Normal Prime
2.with Guardian amp

Who wins?

Prime wins the second handily.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So they are differen't characters then... ok, good you tell me this... now.

Did I say that SBP was greater then a PC Kryptonian? I don't think so.
He was greater then Kal-L, maybe this is what made you think so. But if you read IC he was, i guess, wasn't he?
I mean one could argue how he survived the Universebuster that koed him, maybe he had still some amp in him, or he was koed because he was teleported away, wait I see a flower coming my way!
But surviving an Universebuster point blank, would this qualify as PCesque?

Even in PC days. Good old PC days with a lot of comics, a lot of good feats and some epic-feats. Yes, yes.

Since you didn't fell the need to adress any point that doesn't helps you case and ignore everything that you (understandably) don't like (though, it's obvious why), I think I shouldn't bother, right?

As I've explained before, you want to give Superman Prime and that little sapling all due credit for surviving a universe buster point-blank, give Wonder Man and Vision all due credit for surviving a galaxy-buster point-blank.

I think you should adopt a better strategy here. Because all that moving the goalposts does is reveal how ineffectually weak your original positions and intentions were.

... y'know what? Go ahead and move the goalpposts some more. kinda

Originally posted by Juntai
Fair enough, a lot of that is of your opinion of the events and they are logically sound. A couple things to clarify though...

There's nothing to say he beat the amp out of Prime, only mentioned that the amp was almost gone. And it could easily be because Prime was doing a lot of stuff on and off panel in between point A and B there. He was punching his way through dimensions, killing heros, etc.

It could also be just as easily dismissed as posturing, he was calling him a child in a man's body, saying he was running out of energy, saying he'd consider giving him a job, and that's just on that page.

Originally posted by Juntai
Even seeing it as Monarch being more powerful and the amp putting him up on that level, he was on that level while still nearly running out and then ended up winning anyways. Both of them were teambusters.

Originally posted by Juntai
As for the ninja effect? Superboy Prime was ninja effecting everyone from his first re-appearance onwards. It's clear what level he was meant to be on, and it was vastly over Earth's heros. Look at how many guys he defeated or killed, and how many teams of heros he clashed with. And that's the difference between Black Adam and Superboy Prime. Prime was never near Black Adam level, before or afterwards. It wasn't a one time deal. Even the Guardians, with the heros, and the Corps were no match for him, even before his upgrade.

Originally posted by Juntai
Sodam Yat going into a fight with Superboy Prime and surviving it was impressive, that was what it deliberately meaning to portray. That his heritage, ring, and ION power, put him on a level where he could contend with Superboy Prime for a short time, but still several notches below him. Prime was toying with him, was never really threatened by him, and was smashing him fairly easily. And then just looked around and said "Whos next?" at the end of it.

Otherwise, a healthy Ion Sodam Yat going all-out is a notch or two below Superman Prime, who himself is a notch or three below Guardian-amp Superman Prime or Monarch.

Originally posted by Juntai
And for this part, unless you're talking of a different instance , in WWH, Hulk was STOMPING the ground -- not stepping across it --and causing quakes which were threatening the EASTERN SEABOARD, not entire continents.

Originally posted by Juntai
To put this into perspective, a vastly weaker Superman and Doomsday were causing quakes across the entire PLANET just by duking it out.

Not directly stomping it.

This was before post Crisis Superman even did any of his bigger feats, which didn't come until getting powered up post-ressurection.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Kal-L wasn't at PC Kryptonian levels either when he returned in Infinite Crisis. Unless you want to invoke watered down PC Kryptonians. The fact is, you tried to compare and match Superman Prime's feats with the top level of PC Kryptonian feats, i.e., moving around a galaxy's worth of planets simultaneously. So, thanks for jumping into a conversation about PC Kryptonians, talking about the highest level of PC Kryptonian feats, then moving the goalposts to watered down PC Kryptonians.

As I've explained before, you want to give Superman Prime and that little sapling all due credit for surviving a universe buster point-blank, give Wonder Man and Vision all due credit for surviving a galaxy-buster point-blank.

I think you should adopt a better strategy than moving the goalposts. Because all that movign the goalposts does is reveal how ineffectually weak your original positions and intentions were.

... y'know what. Go ahead and move the goalpposts some more. kinda

^ Considering that it doesn't take a universe blowing up to beat up a Guardian-amped Superman Prime, or a universe blowing up to atomize Superman Prime and fling him across the Multiverse, I'll place that feat in the same basket as Wonder Man and Vision surviving a galaxy buster.

Universe-buster durable sapling, notwithstanding.

Wasn't that plant inside of the Monitor's personal shielding?