Current Hulk vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Juntai
I mean, look at your scans were so quick to post.

Prime beating his ass, overwhelming him completely, then surprised by a nuclear level blast. Prime then comes right back, saying it hurt... the only other blast Monarch landed had little to no effect, he quite literally tanked it and was still sitting in the same spot, then he got called a child, and immediately overwhelmed him again, and just didn't give him a chance to counter again.[OH AND HE DID IT WHILE WEAKENED, HAVING LOST THE AMP, AMIRITE?]

The fight was Prime's from the onset. Monarch was on the defensive the entire ordeal.

Monarch >>> Guardian-amped Superman Prime >>> normal Superman Prime.

And you've got your sh1t twisted backwards on this fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

I'm completely flabbergasted at your interpretation of this fight. Where do you see here, Superman Prime compeltely and utterly dominating Monarch and pinning him to the ground and havign him at his mercy multiple times? Superman Prime was losing, ffs: Rupturing his containment suit was his only chance. Same as that alternate GLs. He was stupid enough to take it. Then again, I can't call him stupid because he wasn't doing much in a straight up fight with an amp, what would he have done in a straight up fight without an amp, other than lose quicker?

Losing? Where?

^ WTF?! You're making it sound like Monarch was struggling to survive like Sodam Yat was struggling to survive?!

WTF?!

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
[b]Prime vs Monarch
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, I'm looking at them. And all I see is a red-headed step-child getting knocked down over and over again doing squat with his escalating attacks because Monarch is dishing out greater attacks to the point that he overwhelmed and exhausted his Guardian amp.

Monarch >>> Guardian-amped Superman Prime >>> normal Superman Prime.

And you've got your sh1t twisted backwards on this fight.

Monarch was not the powerhouse in this fight.

Guardian amped Prime > Monarch >>>>>SuperBOY Prime.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ WTF?! You're making it sound like Monarch was struggling to survive like Sodam Yat was struggling to survive?!

WTF?! OPEN YOUR EYES. Superman Prime was losing.

^ Holy phucking crap. Superman Prime was losing, punctuated by the fact that his Guardian-amp was completely exhausted. Superman Prime unintentionally copped out and took the trump card that an alternate GL took before in the same position, overpowered but could at least exploit a weakness.

This is some "Thanos stalemated Odin" levels right here. You run off with that interpretation now. I'm not dealing with this nonsense anymore.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Holy phucking crap. Superman Prime was losing, punctuated by the fact that his Guardian-amp was completely exhausted. Superman Prime unintentionally copped out and took the trump card that an alternate GL took before in the same position, overpowered but could at least exploit a weakness.

This is some "Thanos stalemated Odin" levels right here. You run off with that interpretation now. I'm not dealing with this nonsense anymore.

Then, who was firing blind, fighting entirely defensively, fighting from his back, having all but of one his attack having little to no effect and ultimately lost?

Answer those questions, and you'll find who was winning the fight who was merely trying to survive the encounter, and even failing at that.

^ The red-headed stepchild who kept getting swatted off was the aggressor. Superman Prime going for the yoink! play, because that was all he could do at that point without a Guardian amp, doesn't get credit anymore than an alternate GL does.

Next time, figure out a way to read a fight without imagining that one fighter has the other at his mercy multiple times and having to conclude that another fighter's uncontradicted and highly specific statements weren't tantamount to outright lies.

I'm not engaging in "Thanos stalemated Odin" levels of garbage, and I'm not walking your hand through plain English. Superman Prime would never win a straight-up fight against Monarch. He himself proved as much when he couldn't do it as Guardian-amped Prime and got beaten back down to Superman Prime. Dude did what everyone does against Captain Atom, rupture his suit. Lame, and still not cause to tickle his balls over it.

i always considered it a draw in terms of who was beating whom, though the guardian amp did ware off, though it was rendered irrelevant cause monarch's suit was ruptured; and just like the likelihood of prime's power waning to the brink of defeat, monarch's suit being torn open looks like a more imminent occurrence during a confrontation between the two that will end the fight, and that's what happened.

Better yet, lets break it down page by page?
I'll skip the opening page, because it looked even, it looked like Prime might have punched, but it's unclear, as there'ss no sound effect and they're otherwise locked up..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p04.jpg

After that, Monarch postures saying "I AM POWER" as he blasts Superman Prime, to little effect, as Superman is still right on him claiming "You're NOTHING" and smashed him with a giant. . something. . . Prime, then follows by laying into him with heat vision. Monarch tries to counter firing blind, which Prime avoids.

Next page;
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg
momentary talking, then Prime tackles him and starts laying into him. Monarch lets off probably his only significant attack of the fight while trying to keep Superman Prime off of him who is quite literally laying into him.

next page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p06.jpg
Explosion.

Next page;
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character creations to explosion.

Next page;
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Monarch talking to one of his underlings, posturing as if he's almighty and unchallengable. Prime reappears screaming, coming for him, Monarch whips around looking like WTF!?

next;
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Monarch blows up a thrown piece of something, and hits Prime with a blast that has little to no effect as Prime is still right in his face. He claims that he's shrinking back into a boy, even though in that panel, he still looks exactly as he had at the beginning of the issue[and he was only BOY without the amp, not a man at all.]. He makes the mistake of calling Prime a child, which causes him to tantrum. He is then overwhelmed completely, doesn't even get a chance to act.

At what point was he clearly the superior by a large margin in this fight? When he surprised Prime with that explosion off of his back?

Wish I could debate/argue for so long without getting bored/distracted with something else.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman Prime would never win a straight-up fight against Monarch. He himself proved as much when he couldn't do it as Guardian-amped Prime and got beaten back down to Superman Prime.

Prior to his amp, just a boy.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone2.jpg

First lock up with Monarch, with a guardian amp, he is Superman Prime.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg

Last page against Monarch, still a man.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p16.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
At what point was he clearly the superior by a large margin in this fight? When he surprised Prime with that explosion off of his back?

... but for the typical supervillain schmuckery of leaving himself open for a cheap cop-out win via containment suit rupture.

I don't think there's ever been a containment suit in the history of comics that hasn't been ruptured. The very term, "comic book containment suit," is like an oxymoron because you just know it's going to get ruptured at the most inconvenient time. So forgive me for not pumping my fist and whooping it up for Superman Prime using that trump card like an alternate GL did. He had to.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]The point where Monarch, who hadn't even come close to unleashing his true power yet, saw that Superman Prime's Guardian amp was depleted in a straight-up fight, leaving an unamped Superman Prime in a position to be further overpowered...

... but for the typical supervillain schmuckery of leaving himself open for a cheap cop-out win via containment suit rupture.

I don't think there's ever been a containment suit in the history of comics that hasn't been ruptured. The very term, "comic book containment suit," is like an oxymoron because you just know it's going to get ruptured at the most inconvenient time. So forgive me for not pumping my fist and whooping it up for Superman Prime using that trump card like an alternate GL did. He had to.

Ill say this. The fact that SBP survived all the energy released from Monarch proves that Monarch couldn't win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ill say this. The fact that SBP survived all the energy released from Monarch proves that Monarch couldn't win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Where was Prime at in the universe when Monarch's suit opened up ?

Originally posted by h1a8
No more than 10 feet away.

I know one thing...Monarch didn't use a portion of his power which was shown during his arena time (destroying an entire continent with a single blast. The blast was so powerful that it was seen on the outskirts of the planet). Monarch held back significantly. I guess he held back because he didn't want to kill his crew members... Don't really know.

To me the confrontation showed that Monarch is above SBP in overall power. Was SBP embarrassed by Monarch? Not even close.