Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Kal-L wasn't at PC Kryptonian levels either when he returned in Infinite Crisis. Unless you want to invoke watered down PC Kryptonians. The fact is, you tried to compare and match Superman Prime's feats with the top level of PC Kryptonian feats, i.e., moving around a galaxy's worth of planets simultaneously. So, thanks for jumping into a conversation about PC Kryptonians, talking about the highest level of PC Kryptonian feats, then moving the goalposts to watered down PC Kryptonians.As I've explained before, you want to give Superman Prime and that little sapling all due credit for surviving a universe buster point-blank, give Wonder Man and Vision all due credit for surviving a galaxy-buster point-blank.
I think you should adopt a better strategy here. Because all that moving the goalposts does is reveal how ineffectually weak your original positions and intentions were.
... y'know what? Go ahead and move the goalpposts some more. kinda
Oh now it's a fact? Show me please were I said that and don't forget, I said even by PC standards it was impressive. It's not a fact it's your interpretation. I never put it against the biggest feats, on the contrary. But I will come to this point later.
Kal-L is an old PC Kryptonian, nothign wrong about it.
I'm giving Vision and Wonderman the credit if they did so. No problem with it. Though Universe > Galaxy as you know. I knew 100% you would bring in the sappling shockish. It wasn't there point blank like SBP has been right? Nice, are you lowballing this feat, because it's PC-worthy and doesn't suits your point? Just askin...
Ok, you want to talk about strategy. Since you are not insulting (👆), maybe we can also add some honesty to this discussion. So about my so called strategy... I have no strategy at all, I don't need one 😉.
What is your strategy?
You accuse me of things, and when I ask you to show me where I said this or that, as extreme as you put it in my mouth, you ignore it and accuse me of something new, which only exists in you mind and which I never stated as you wished I did. Examples:
I said SBP feats were impressive enough to be PCesque, you conclusion = I said his feats are >= the best PC feats? Honestly, wtf?
I even told you so but YOU insisted on the Solar system sneezing, like it has been the norm. Then I told you that such feats were the exception and not the norm. I even told you that the norm of the PC feats wasn't always that ridiculous, it was most often on SBP level and sometimes even below it, which is still ridiculous enough. Obviously your conclusion to this was that I hate Hulk, who wasn't even mentioned in my replys to you.
So you accused me being a Hulk hater because of this post... really, wtf? awebrow
You also accused me saying that current Superman is PC Kryptonian level, when all I did was guessing that he has become powerful enough to "keep up" with an "old" PC Kryptonian (Kal-L), which he did.
I quoted you then, from another Thread where you said following:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
PC Superman got beat by far less than foes who could tow planets around. A lot.Same with the Legion.
So... unless Mongul was chuckin planets at PC Superman or the Legion... feats? Please?
So in one post you adress Superman and his most impressive feats and then say yourself that he was defeated by "far less". One could conclude that you meant that the Superman who did those feats was defeated by far less, though maybe I didn't understand your point properly, you argued there against an DC char from the PC era against an Marvel char, and not an DC char from the PC era vs an DC char from this era. Your stance might shift, who knows.
So when I showed you, that according to YOU, they didn't always have those impressive feats, you concluded and accused me of using and talking about watered down PC Kryptonians BUT what have you been doing in that post of yours back then? 🙂
I even told you the years when I read those comics but... oh nevermind.
And again you claim that I SAID that SBP is greater then an PC Kryptonian, which I never did... I mean honestly ODG...
But I want share some of my limited (to yours I guess it is?) PC comic knowledge:
Even those "watered down" Kryptonians as you call them, that YOU brought into play because of dubious cicumstances, had impressive feats:
I remember an PC comic of those "watered down" times (to be exact a story from the year 1985) because it was a damn good one. Nice story and imo good art.
He sneezed a little bit in his FoS (Batman gave him the Advice so he might feel more human) and the huge door of his FoS broke out.
He flew to a distant solar system, not far away from where Krypton once was and states, "now that I'm in space where there is nothing I could destroy (there are only deserted Planets around, he means living beings etc) I can't "sneeze".
He flies to a moon, to punch it like a "Billiard Ball" into the hole (he means the sun btw). But he resists doing it, he holds his punch, he flies and sees the Wishing Wall of Kryptonian myth) there is he tricked and captured by brainiac who makes an Superbrainiac counterparty that destroys a planet with some billions of beings (SBrainy throws the Planet into the sun).
Superman is enraged, breaks free and before the dust from his fist reaches the ground he is lightyears away.
He fights the Superbrainiac (clone) and during their fight, Superman destroys an gas planet which results in an explosion that destroys every planet... even the sun of this solar system is extinguished.
The explosion catapults him away through the hyperspace, he is uncounscious for some time.
So in the year of the CoIE those watered down Kryptonians were still able to do such things. Not enough for you I guess? He was koed by the point-blank exploding Solar System, SBP took the Universeblast point blank, so it's not that far stretch to assume they aren't so far away. Even according to your stance of this former thread. Right?
