Current Hulk vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He has. Not a special case like you try it to make it seem but many other which is more then enough to prove he is on PC levels.
High five admitting that his feats were Pcesque. 😄

Also:

crylaugh

Oh the irony! OneDodgingGo.. you are 😆

Poster 2: You're an idiot. No he's not. He doesn't sneeze solar systems away.

Poster 1: PC Superman once leapt a tall building in one leap. So has Gray Hulk! See??? That's PCesque! Gray Hulk has PCesque feats!

Poster 2: You're an idiot.

^ Basically sums up your argument. Nice quaneuver. Poor attempt at moving the goalposts. Sad train-wreck. Dumb deflections that blow up in your face. You're on a roll now, son.

Originally posted by Juntai
lol.

Only in your own twisted interpretation.

^I think I won't dignify this with an answer.
hysterical2

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. Guardian-amp Superman Prime totally exhausted his Guardian amp prior to the battle. I forgot to take into account that imaginary page explaining that.

Meanwhile. . .You think punching between universes and killing unspecified amounts of the those universes greatest heros and/or destroying their planets didn't exhaust him at all, but running into a couple Teen Titans and killing a few million humans while all the big shots stood aside for political reasons left amped Black Adam wounded and dying before he ever tackled into the JSA team that took him down. And that's why he's more impressive than Prime, who was not only stronger than a team as impressive as Adam's, while weakened, but proved to be many notches higher than Sodam, who seemed to perform better than said team all at once.

It's all pretty funny to me, really, the way you bounce between tangents not making any real supporting points to your debate.

^ Let's see. I read 52 (unfortunately) and noticed that Guardian-amp Prime never had problems, never looked exhausted, never mentioned losing power. I read World War III and noticed that WWIII Black Adam was tortured from the get-go, wounded, dying, which was not only stated but shown on-panel. And somehow, I'm not reading the comics.

Of course I'm not! That imaginary page that had Guardian-amp Superman Prime really let loose in that one battle with whathisname and he mentioned a bunch of times that he better conserve his depleting energy. Right. Forgot to take that into account. My bads.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^I think I won't dignify this with an answer.
hysterical2

Not enough that you admitted Superman Prime has nothing close to PC Kryptonian feats. You somehow feel the need to overcompensate with obnoxious smilies to deflect from the butt-hurt.

I haven't seen that before. kinda

^But he has, you just have to read. 😂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Troll-mode activate!

Not enough that you admitted Superman Prime has nothing close to PC Kryptonian feats. You somehow feel the need to overcompensate with obnoxious smilies to deflect from the butt-hurt.

I haven't seen that before. kinda

You don't have mirrors where you live? biscuits

Seriously though, guys, let's bring it down a notch. No more personal attacks.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Let's see. I read 52 (unfortunately) and noticed that Guardian-amp Prime never had problems, never looked exhausted, never mentioned losing power. I read World War III and noticed that WWIII Black Adam was tortured from the get-go, wounded, dying, which was not only stated but shown on-panel. And somehow, I'm not reading the comics.

Of course I'm not! That imaginary page that had Guardian-amp Superman Prime really let loose in that one battle with whathisname and he mentioned a bunch of times that he better conserve his depleting energy. Right. Forgot to take that into account. My bads. Troll-mode activate!

Sarcasm isn't proving anything. Your entire debate is grounded in a random character claim that isn't supported on panel.

Guardian amped Prime overpowered and defeated Monarch, and he appeared amped until the next time we saw him later on after a universe-wide explosion point blank knocked it out of him.[which a sappling also either survived, or was created from, but no matter- it was only there as a metaphor to the idea of the comic itself from it's very opening page.]

Surely, it was a cheap win, making him rupture and explode, from a story standpoint and having seen that dozens of times already- but, if Monarch was so much more powerful than an amped Prime, that he literally beat the entire amp out of him . . . why couldn't he save himself from someone rapidly becoming many notches below him? Surely one good blast would have stopped the whole thing like the previous time that Prime was on top him whooping his ass?

Well, anyone here reading besides you gets the point, I'm sure. 🙂

Also, back a page or two, you agreed that you felt Sodam Yat/ION appeared to be meant to be more impressive than the heros who attacked Prime in SCW, and then by direct comparison and even then admission of his own, Yat was vastly inferior to Prime in power. He point blank stated on panel that he needed more power if he were to ever contend with him again.

^ I invoked that Sodam Yat being more impressive than the combined DC superheroes as proof that reverse-ninja rule was in effect. Because you kept arguing that reverse-ninja rule was garbage. So as long as you keep thinking reverse-ninja rule doesn't apply to Prime, but it does apply to WWIII Black Adam and to Sodam Yat, I continue to see inherent contradictions in your positions.

Originally posted by Juntai
What do you mean activate? You've been trolling from the start.

Sarcasm isn't proving anything. Your entire debate is grounded in a random character claim that isn't supported on panel.

Originally posted by Juntai
Guardian amped Prime overpowered and defeated Monarch, and he appeared amped until the next time we saw him later on after a universe-wide explosion point blank knocked it out of him.[which a sappling also either survived, or was created from, but no matter- it was only there as a metaphor to the idea of the comic itself from it's very opening page.]

Originally posted by Juntai
Surely, it was a cheap win, making him rupture and explode, from a story standpoint and having seen that dozens of times already- but, if Monarch was so much more powerful than an amped Prime, that he literally beat the entire amp out of him . . . why couldn't he save himself from someone rapidly becoming many notches below him? Surely one good blast would have stopped the whole thing like the previous time that Prime was on top him whooping his ass?

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, anyone here reading besides you gets the point, I'm sure. 🙂

And then after that, you tried to compare Yat and Black Adam, and somehow got the idea that Prime and Yat, and Adam are all nearly equals, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right, while your entire debate is trying to ignore a character claim and project some kind of substantial drainage onto Guardian-amp Superman Prime to excuse the consequences of said character claim. But, whatever. Imaginary page was so clear on this point. My bads. Superman Prime was on the losing end of that fight all the way through. Rupturing the containment suit was the only thing stopping him from getting beaten down. An amped Superman Prime wasn't making the cut ina straight-up fight, a normal Superman Prime wouldn't. So what are we arguing about? Monarch suffered from the same deficiency that supervillains suffer when they don't protect their self-destruct buttons in their bases. Obviously, Monarch was aware of the danger as an alternate GL ruptured his suit earlier. Maybe he thought explaining the dire consequences to Superman Prime would deter him from trying. I don't need to read between the lines though to see that absent rupturing his suit for a cheap win, Superman Prime wasn't getting anywhere in a straight-up fight. Monarch already beat the amp out of him in a straight-up fight. What else was there to do? I was unaware of how many people thought Guardian-amped Superman Prime was superior to Monarch. Dumb as that is, you can appeal to the masses as much as you like.

My standpoint from the start was no depletion was ever evident on panel, and that Superman Prime was winning that fight with Monarch, which he did, cheap ending aside[Check out the very first post on Page 5 of the thread]. At multiple points in that fight he had Monarch on the ground at his mercy.

The only thing that on panel ever deleted his energy, was the blast that ended the universe, as he was no longer SuperMAN Prime the next time we saw him, but clearly was on panel through the course of the fight with Monarch.

Your entire debate is grounded in a random character claim that isn't supported with evidence.

Monarch liked to believe he was winning. He wasn't, and didn't.

Where is your debate again?

Wait, we could always tangent off and talk about Black Adam some more! Because he's proving your points about Monarch and Yat, amirite?

^ Talk about how every detail you try to bring up to widen the gap between Superman Prime's rampages against the combined DC superheroes and WWIII Black Adam's rampage against the combined DC heroes only serves to narrow the gap? Fine by me.

Obviously you think WWIII Black Adam was helped out by reverse-ninja theory. But let me know when you're done figuring out yet whether reverse-ninja theory applies to Prime, and if it doesn't, whether you conclude that Sodam Yat must have been well above the combined DC superheroes as well. Because if you do, then Ion Sodam Yat was not as far off from Prime as Booster Gold would be.

Think about how you set yourself up here.

Originally posted by Juntai
I wasn't using it as a basis for a debate that he was depleted before ever finding Monarch, I was offering an alternate view and then ultimately using it to point out your Black Adam double-standard, that killing some humans and encountering 2 or 3 D List Teen Titans has Black Adam on the losing end before the team encountered him at the end WW3.

Originally posted by Juntai
My standpoint from the start was no depletion was ever evident on panel, and that Superman Prime was winning that fight with Monarch, which he did, cheap ending aside[Check out the very first post on Page 5 of the thread]. At multiple points in that fight he had Monarch on the ground at his mercy.

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Originally posted by Juntai
The only thing that on panel ever deleted his energy, was the blast that ended the universe, as he was no longer SuperMAN Prime the next time we saw him, but clearly was on panel through the course of the fight with Monarch.

Your entire debate is grounded in a random character claim that isn't supported with evidence.

Once again your entire debate is grounded in ignoring a character claim with imaginary theories that he must have been drained beforehand.

Ok on a serious note though.

Here is SBP strength. He moved the Planets across whole sectors like chess pieces.

Now one has to think about what is more impressive. Current Hulks feat or this.

1. SBP
2. Is spite.

IMHO.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What double-standard? It would only be a double-standard if WWIII Black Adam looked fresh as ever before the final battle or if Guardian-amp Superman Prime were described as a thrashing, dying animal before he reached Monarch. Neither are true. Give me a break. Your view of the fight is so warped, it's not worth arguing. No depletion... except Monarch literally states it out loud and Superman Prime gets so angry about it because he can't deny it. The one time he knocked him down and mounted Monarch was when Monarch taught him a lesson by unleashing a portion of his true power:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p16.jpg Other than the fact that Monarch stated his Guardian-amp was gone.

Once again your entire debate is grounded in ignoring a character claim with imaginary theories that he must have been drained beforehand.

He wasn't mad at a claim that he was running out of power, he was mad because he called him a child, and then overwhelmed him. Something entire consistent with his character, he went into a tantrum anytime someone did that. Want to prove that too, just so I can prove you wrong yet again?

So, Monarch taught him a lesson the first time, and was overwhelmed the second time by a vastly weaker, depleted Superman Prime?

Right.

No, he was posturing, it's a random character claim unsupported on panel. Monarch was losing, and then lost. Like Yat, it was impressive in that he simply did as well as he did.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, my theory was never that he was drained.

Originally posted by Juntai
He wasn't mad at a claim that he was running out of power, he was mad because he called him a child, and then overwhelmed him. Something entire consistent with his character, he went into a tantrum anytime someone did that. Want to prove that too, just so I can prove you wrong yet again?

So, Monarch taught him a lesson the first time, and was overwhelmed the second time by a vastly weaker, depleted Superman Prime?

Right.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, he was posturing, it's a random character claim unsupported on panel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Guardian-amp Superman Prime fought Monarch and at the climax of the battle, had lost it and was shrinking. Great. So what are we arguing about now? Rupturing his containment suit was cheap. Had he kept trying to trade blows, he would have lost. I don't care what you think, but it was clear from the fight that a Guardian-amped Prime was not gaining traction in a straight-up fight. He was beaten down to the extent where he expended his Guardian amp. I never said his containment suit couldn't be breached. An alternate GL did just that. I'm not going to pretend an unamped Superman Prime was superior to Monarch. Why? Because a Guardian-amped Superman Prime proved not to be. Of course. Monarch knew about the Guardian amp, noted his enlarged state. And then he just blatantly lied about it wearing off and him shrinking down just to throw him off. That totally makes sense.

Nice @ ignoring and disregarding the child remark because you knew you were absolutely wrong there though. 😉

I do agree that if Monarch would have been fighting to the same 'standard' in Countdown, as he did in Arena, he likely would have made short work of Prime (Guardian-amped, or not.).

After all, the most impressive offensive energy attack Monarch used vs. Prime was city-sized, and compared to "a nuke". Impressive, yes, but he was obviously just toying with Prime- as even that blast was still nothing in comparison to some of the blasts he'd previously generated in Arena- such as this continent-sized energy wave he released with a casual flick of his wrist:

...And that was when Monarch was supposedly at his weakest (ie. before he absorbed all the alternate CA's throughout the multiverse.)

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm still having a hard time believing that you've been debating for pages that a guy who got overwhelmed and pinned to the ground multiple times in a fight, and eventually got mounted and his suit ripped apart once Superman Prime started his tantrum from being called a child- and couldn't do ANYTHING to prevent it from happening, is vastly more powerful than the guy he blatantly lost to. lol.

Nice @ ignoring and disregarding the child remark because you knew you were absolutely wrong there though. 😉

I'm completely flabbergasted at your interpretation of this fight. Where do you see here, Superman Prime compeltely and utterly dominating Monarch and pinning him to the ground and havign him at his mercy multiple times? Superman Prime was losing, ffs:

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
[b]Prime vs Monarch
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg
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Prime beating his ass, overwhelming him completely, then surprised by a nuclear level blast. Prime then comes right back, saying it hurt... the only other blast Monarch landed had little to no effect, he quite literally tanked it and was still sitting in the same spot, then he got called a child, and immediately overwhelmed him again, and just didn't give him a chance to counter again.[OH AND HE DID IT WHILE WEAKENED, HAVING LOST THE AMP, AMIRITE?]

The fight was Prime's from the onset. Monarch was on the defensive the entire ordeal.