Silver Surfer vs Worthy Hulk

Originally posted by zopzop
The sad showing in the Mighty Thor series so far?

But back on topic, Hulk crushes him.

Sad? I must have missed the part where Thor dominated Surfer like he did Worthy Thing, or the part where Thor BFR'd surfer from earth's orbit like he did the Hulk.

Oh wait, Surfer BFR'd thor all the way from Earth's orbit to Mars. Let someone else figure out how many times greater that bfr distance is than the one Thor placed on worthy hulk.

Thor put down worthy thing with 1 mjolnir attack. He connected the same exact attack on surfer 3 times and still didn't put Surfer down. If you're using what Thor did against the Worthy as a measuring stick, I'd say, given the same attacks used against different enemies by the same writer, that Thor is having an off showing. With space armor, no less.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Your mom calls me hulk because I up her up like a cheap gap shirt.

With Hulks poor piercing resistance and the boards shape and speed that it travels, it should go right through him..

hulk.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Sad? I must have missed the part where Thor dominated Surfer like he did Worthy Thing, or the part where Thor BFR'd surfer from earth's orbit like he did the Hulk.

Oh wait, Surfer BFR'd thor all the way from Earth's orbit to Mars. Let someone else figure out how many times greater that bfr distance is than the one Thor placed on worthy hulk.

Thor put down worthy thing with 1 mjolnir attack. He connected the same exact attack on surfer 3 times and still didn't put Surfer down. If you're using what Thor did against the Worthy as a measuring stick, I'd say, given the same attacks used against different enemies by the same writer, that Thor is having an off showing. With space armor, no less.

Thor got a freaking huge gash on his side from the World Tree incident. It's a wounded Thor vs a healthy Surfer and Surfer isn't doing jack to him. Hell, he blew right passed Surfer and smacked Galactus upside his head so hard, he screamed in pain.

We have an apparently healthy Thor putting his all into an attack that only BFRed Worth Hulk and Thor wound up KOing himself in the process.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Sad? I must have missed the part where Thor dominated Surfer like he did Worthy Thing, or the part where Thor BFR'd surfer from earth's orbit like he did the Hulk.

Oh wait, Surfer BFR'd thor all the way from Earth's orbit to Mars. Let someone else figure out how many times greater that bfr distance is than the one Thor placed on worthy hulk.

Thor put down worthy thing with 1 mjolnir attack. He connected the same exact attack on surfer 3 times and still didn't put Surfer down. If you're using what Thor did against the Worthy as a measuring stick, I'd say, given the same attacks used against different enemies by the same writer, that Thor is having an off showing. With space armor, no less.

Surfer rammed Thor from behind into Mars. If that's battle field removal, he took himself out of the fight as well.

I also don't see why you hold Thor killing Ben against the Worthy. If you replaced the Thing with Surfer, I doubt it would have turned out any different. Surfer's cosmic shell wouldn't stand up to Odin's enchantment any better than Thing's rocky hide. At that point, Thor realized that he had to put them down as they wouldn't stop.

I did enjoy you mentioning the Space Armor as if it had some sort of touched upon significance. As far as we know, it does nothing but provide increased mobility and resistance to the effects of space. And Thor is seriously wounded during his encounter with Surfer.

Perhaps when both arcs are over Surfer will come out looking better but for now, his kind of been meh.

Thor wasn't 100% when he fought Worthy Hulk/Thing, either.

True, but it isn't a major plot point like it is against Surfer. At least as far as I can tell.

Anyways, as long as Thor comes out looking good, I don't really care what happens to the silver eunuch and green moron.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True, but it isn't a major plot point like it is against Surfer.

So far, it hasn't even been much of a plot point against Surfer.

We can presume it's messing him up from his condition before, but Fraction isn't playing that angle in their fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thor got a freaking huge gash on his side from the World Tree incident. It's a wounded Thor vs a healthy Surfer and Surfer isn't doing jack to him. Hell, he blew right passed Surfer and smacked Galactus upside his head so hard, he screamed in pain.

We have an apparently healthy Thor putting his all into an attack that only BFRed Worth Hulk and Thor wound up KOing himself in the process.

The "wound" seems to be doing more help than harm in regards to his capabilities. That's just not my thought, that's been consensus on other boards as well. In other words it's far too early and far to simple to say that Thor is irrevocably handicapped by the "wound." And, Surfer isn't going all out vs. Thor (evidenced by Surfer trying to reason with him several times), yet Thor IS going all out. He's threatened surfer's life on multiple occasions during the confrontation and Odin has called for Galactus to be killed. If that's not blood lust I don't know what is.

And, Surfer tanked 3 hits, each identical to the 1 which destroyed worthy thing. You can't argue that Surfer isn't doing anything to Thor, and yet ignore that Thor isn't doing anything to Surfer either, using an attack multiple times which already put down a Worthy with 1 hit.

If Surfer can BFR Thor from Earth's orbit all the way to Mars what is he gonna do to Worthy Hulk?

Originally posted by cdtm
So far, it hasn't even been much of a plot point against Surfer.

We can presume it's messing him up from his condition before, but Fraction isn't playing that angle in their fight.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
The "wound" seems to be doing more help than harm in regards to his capabilities. That's just not my thought, that's been consensus on other boards as well. In other words it's far too early and far to simple to say that Thor is irrevocably handicapped by the "wound." And, Surfer isn't going all out vs. Thor (evidenced by Surfer trying to reason with him several times), yet Thor IS going all out. He's threatened surfer's life on multiple occasions during the confrontation and Odin has called for Galactus to be killed. If that's not blood lust I don't know what is.

And, Surfer tanked 3 hits, each identical to the 1 which destroyed worthy thing. You can't argue that Surfer isn't doing anything to Thor, and yet ignore that Thor isn't doing anything to Surfer either, using an attack multiple times which already put down a Worthy with 1 hit.

If Surfer can BFR Thor from Earth's orbit all the way to Mars what is he gonna do to Worthy Hulk?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scratch out "against Surfer" and insert "in the story" or whatever makes you happy. It's a major plot point so far and was focused on in at least 3 different scenes before the battle.

You're right, but Fraction still isn't writing the injury as affecting his combat capability.

He was sweating before the fight, so we know it was hurting him before. But he seems fine now, especially given the hits he's taken and shrugged off, meaning either the pain flares up at random, or he's able to ignore it in the heat of battle.

Which is all to say it's a factor, but how much of a factor is unknown, and something Fraction has so far avoided playing up during this fight..

He looked in worse shape at the hands of Worthy Hulk and Thing, while still managing to hold off both of them..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
crylaugh

Posted like a true immature response.

You just posed above if you substituted Surfer for Worthy Thing, what would happen?

Did you forget that Worthy Thing fell to the same exact attack Thor used on surfer 3 times?

Originally posted by cdtm
You're right, but Fraction still isn't writing the injury as affecting his combat capability.

He was sweating before the fight, so we know it was hurting him before. But he seems fine now, especially given the hits he's taken and shrugged off, meaning either the pain flares up at random, or he's able to ignore it in the heat of battle.

Which is all to say it's a factor, but how much of a factor is unknown, and something Fraction has so far avoided playing up during this fight..

He looked in worse shape at the hands of Worthy Hulk and Thing, while still managing to hold off both of them..

It's been made fairly clear that Thor is sorely wounded and in pain but doesn't want it to be made known to the rest of Asgard. The fact that he can man up, and go toe to toe with the Surfer despite being injured doesn't automatically mean that it's not in affect or something.

He was wounded and it's only been getting worse. Until I see some hard evidence, I have absolutely no reason to believe that the wound magically turns off when his fighting Surfer.

The vibe I'm getting so far is that you dislike what's been shown so far.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Posted like a true immature response.

You just posed above if you substituted Surfer for Worthy Thing, what would happen?

Did you forget that Worthy Thing fell to the same exact attack Thor used on surfer 3 times?

baka

Did you forget what you posted? The wound is more helpful than harmful in combat and I'm the one who is immature? Lol.

Whatever bud.

The Thing withstood a hammer throw earlier on and didn't exactly fare worse than Surfer. The kill shot was Thor relying on one of Mjolnir's most powerful aspects, the enchantment of Odin, which I'm sorry to say would trump Surfer as completely as it did Angrir.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
baka

Did you forget what you posted? The wound is more helpful than harmful in combat and I'm the one who is immature? Lol.

Whatever bud.

The Thing withstood a hammer throw earlier on and didn't exactly fare worse than Surfer. The kill shot was Thor relying on one of Mjolnir's most powerful aspects, the enchantment of Odin, which I'm sorry to say would trump Surfer as completely as it did Angrir.

Yeah, because you didn't back up your non-post with any logic. Thor is currently blood lusted and Fraction made a clear point to distinguish that the landing on mars hurt surfer whereas Thor was fine. The ENTIRE story up to that point, they were literally on par with each other blow for blow. You're so quick to capitalize on something at face value because you want thor to be handi-capped while doing whatever he's doing. Yet it's clear the "wound" is doing something more than it appears. Or did you really expect a "seriously" injured Thor to stand up fine as an erection whereas a "healthy" surfer was hurt, by his own admission, when the entire story prior to that point presented them as dead equals? Yeah, that's pretty immature on my part to reason that. Please.

If it's a special attack as you say, then why use it on Thing instead of hulk? So that was a stronger attack than the bfr move hammer strike he used on Hulk, the one which lead to Thor KO'ing himself? Hulk, whom he liked less than Thing? Seems odd to use one of mjlonir's most powerful aspects to kill the one he liked, and to bfr the other one he thinks is a pain in the ass while KO'ing himself in the process. In other words I have trouble seeing the support in the hammer strike being one of mjolnir's most powerful attacks when the results he got from that were infinitely better than the results he got from his all-out, at any-cost hammer strike that BFR'd hulk.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Yeah, because you didn't back up your non-post with any logic. Thor is currently blood lusted and Fraction made a clear point to distinguish that the landing on mars hurt surfer whereas Thor was fine. The ENTIRE story up to that point, they were literally on par with each other blow for blow. You're so quick to capitalize on something at face value because you want thor to be handi-capped while doing whatever he's doing. Yet it's clear the "wound" is doing something more than it appears. Or did you really expect a "seriously" injured Thor to stand up fine as an erection whereas a "healthy" surfer was hurt, by his own admission, when the entire story prior to that point presented them as dead equals? Yeah, that's pretty immature on my part to reason that. Please.

Why should I attempt to use reason when you've clearly given up on it? For a post of that type, laughter is the best response.

Thor is hurt and is going toe to toe with Surfer. I get it, you don't like what's happening, but stop pretending that you have any actual proof to support your stance.

If some hard evidence comes up you can make your case but so far, you're just being butthurt imho.

Worst case scenario? Thor's tougher than the Surfer but that's hardly newsworthy.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
If it's a special attack as you say, then why use it on Thing instead of hulk? So that was a stronger attack than the bfr move hammer strike he used on Hulk, the one which lead to Thor KO'ing himself? Hulk, whom he liked less than Thing? Seems odd to use one of mjlonir's most powerful aspects to kill the one he liked, and to bfr the other one he thinks is a pain in the ass while KO'ing himself in the process. In other words I have trouble seeing the support in the hammer strike being one of mjolnir's most powerful attacks when the results he got from that were infinitely better than the results he got from his all-out, at any-cost hammer strike that BFR'd hulk.

I don't know what you want me to say. Thor's an idiot, Fraction didn't think it through? Use whatever rationalization helps you sleep better at night.

I'm simply telling you what happened on panel. Thor relied on one of Mjolnir's most powerful aspects, it's Odin Force powered enchantment to take down the Thing. I know this hurts to hear, but Surfer would fair no better than Thing in that position.

Everyone from the Destroyer to Zeus has failed to overcome the return enchantment in the past. It's particularly powerful when Thor calls it to his hand as it's connected to his will/consciousness.

The Mighty Thor #1:

"It glows rather than bleeds Sif. What nature of wound is this?"

The Mighty Thor #2:

"You're hurt. You're hurting. You're in pain. You're distracted, you're..."

The Mighty Thor #3:

"Your wound, Thor. 'Tis worse. And Weirder."

This shit isn't even ambiguous.

Until there is some serious hard evidence, I have absolutely no reason to believe the wound is anything but a hindrance. Just because Thor comes off tougher than Surfer doesn't automatically mean there's some other shit going on.

If you're right, I'll give credit where credit is due but the only thing that's driving you at this point is your dislike of what's been printed.

Surfer owns him easier than Thor did.