Originally posted by truejedi
no evidence it can't be blocked... i mean, technically there is no evidence that luke's electric judgement can be blocked either, but we don't give him an instant kill in every fight.
Luke usually does win most of his fights though, because he is clearly such a high-level Force user. However, Plo Koon used the same attack twice and didn't kill a criminal, whereas Luke was able to juice his enough to kill a Vong. Clearly, the ability is not insta-kill in its nature; it's the nature of Luke to have the power to kill a Vong with it. How it works against a Force-user remains to be seen.
On the flip side, the Force Drain ability used specifically by Kreia and Nihilus (and their entire sect to some degree or another) can be used to kill multiple Force users without any apparent defense. To put it this way, all Kreia had to do is gesture. Nihilus, though on a different level of power, only had to speak. Prep time is zero. Time to react is milliseconds. Known defense? None. Not even Kreia, who arguably re-pioneered the ability for the KotOR era Sith, could withstand it. She is drained of her powers but not killed by Nihilus, since both he and Sion sought to break her but not kill her.
And it all comes back to Starkiller. This ability hasn't been seen in thousands of years. Starkiller, despite his OMFG TK and potential, is a Force noob. He is not a learned Sith or Jedi Master of old. He is some punk, who will die quickly.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
That she did. But Qel-Droma is known mostly for his incredible saber prowess, not his amazing Force powers. The same attack from a more powerful Jedi against Kun did nothing.
Who tried Wall of Light on Kun that was stronger than Sunrider..?
Anyway, you bring up another good candidate: Exar Kun and his force-blasts.
Originally posted by truejedi
no evidence it can't be blocked... i mean, technically there is no evidence that luke's electric judgement can be blocked either, but we don't give him an instant kill in every fight.
Lukes electric judgement has never been said to be unblockable though. And its never been used against 3 battle-ready Jedi Masters effortless and without fail.
Theres also the fact that the technique was used against an entire planet of Miraluka and hundreds if not thousands of Jedi. Either it is unblockable or Nihilus is strong enough to overpower hundreds of Jedi Masters at once.
Yea, though Shaak Ti is on the high-end of Jedi masters.
Do you really think that she is more powerul than 3 Jedi Masters combined?
exactly. DE, you say "starkiller couldn't overpower shaak ti" as though Traya could...
She could.
Originally posted by Q99
Who tried Wall of Light on Kun that was stronger than Sunrider..?Anyway, you bring up another good candidate: Exar Kun and his force-blasts.
Odan-Urr, who created the ability, attempted it on Kun. Kun was thrown back, but got up immediately and insta-killed Odan-Urr, presumably with some kind of OP force choke.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Luke usually does win most of his fights though, because he is clearly such a high-level Force user. However, Plo Koon used the same attack twice and didn't kill a criminal, whereas Luke was able to juice his enough to kill a Vong. Clearly, the ability is not insta-kill in its nature; it's the nature of Luke to have the power to kill a Vong with it. How it works against a Force-user remains to be seen.
I don't think it has ever been confirmed that Luke's ability was Electric Judgement in fact I recall it being called green fire or something like that. Furthermore, t was described as sparks and flames rather than lightning.
Originally posted by Q99
Who tried Wall of Light on Kun that was stronger than Sunrider..?Anyway, you bring up another good candidate: Exar Kun and his force-blasts.
Odan-Urr tried it on Exar Kun and failed. Clearly it isn't unstopable.
Originally posted by Q99
I wouldn't think so, but sometimes one extra-strong defense is harder to breach than merely strong ones three times.
This is a weak statement though. Jedi gain strength in each others' presence. We see it in The Approaching Storm as Jedi channel their powers to repel foes and are indicated by foes to exponentially increase each others' strength, and we see it in the mass of Jedi over Yavin IV, who rain fire and light down on Exar Kun. If anything, three Jedi Masters who knew each other, and who are on their guard for deception and death would have ALL their defenses up and aid each other if possible.
Bottom line, Starkiller's melee tooling of Shaak Ti doesn't account for anything. He has no standing knowledge of or ability to defeat the drain.
Originally posted by ares834
I don't think it has ever been confirmed that Luke's ability was Electric Judgement in fact I recall it being called green fire or something like that. Furthermore, t was described as sparks and flames rather than lightning.
The general idea around here from folks who have read the books is that it is Electric judgement. But that's irrelevant in any case. It's never been used against a Force user.
Odan-Urr tried it on Exar Kun and failed. Clearly it isn't unstopable.
But that's not Kreia's ability; it's Nomi's. Follow along closely.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The general idea around here from folks who have read the books is that it is Electric judgement. But that's irrelevant in any case. It's never been used against a Force user.
I'm not the one saying it's unblockable just pointing it out.
But that's not Kreia's ability; it's Nomi's. Follow along closely.
I was talking to Q99 and her theory that Nomi could sever SK from the force. It had nothing to do with force drain...
Originally posted by ares834
Sure but it is an example of "one extra-strong defense (that) is harder to breach than merely strong ones three times".😉
In all honesty though I'd be inclined to agree Traya would drain SK. I just have to oppose it on principle.
What principle? Starkiller is an atrocity to EU and that's saying quite a bit. I mean, EU has Luke Skywalker TKing AT-AT walkers and Sidious teleporting crap with wormholes, etc. EU has star destroying ships belonging to folks who dress like Egyptians and lack blasters. EU brought us Splinter of the Mind's Eye.