Anyone vs. Starkiller

Did Kreia's?

Originally posted by ares834
Did Kreia's?

Oh snap.

KotOR Campaign Guide, page 109
Created by ancient Sith Lords during the Great Hyperspace War, the Dark Reaper is a Force-draining weapon rediscovered by the Krath and used in the Great Sith War. At its heart is a device known as the Force Harvester, which drains the life essence from all living things around it.

No, but that gameplay animations aren't exactly canon are they. As it is, Unseen, Unheard was created by Chris Avellone, so he is perfectly in his rights to retcon the visuals of it should he wish.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, but that gameplay animations aren't exactly canon are they.

If they're in a cutscene, they are. If they're not, I'm not sure why you're arguing the feat in the first place.

Though that would certainly explain the conflict between what we see in the game and what we see in the comic, thus lending credibility to RagingBoner's original argument that the events of Unseen, Unheard do not necessarily reflect what actually happened....

Spoiler:
Well done, Ares. You've given me even moar ammo.

KotOR Campaign Guide, page 109
Created by ancient Sith Lords during the Great Hyperspace War, the Dark Reaper is a Force-draining weapon rediscovered by the Krath and used in the Great Sith War. At its heart is a device known as the Force Harvester, which drains the life essence from all living things around it.

Simply because it achieves the same effect does not mean that it is the same technique. You could stop me from ripping out your eye with my bare hands but you could not stop me from ripping it out with telekinesis. While both have the same outcome, the way in which they go about it is different.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
If they're in a cutscene, they are. If they're not, I'm not sure why you're arguing the feat in the first place.

Though that would certainly explain the conflict between what we see in the game and what we see in the comic, thus lending credibility to RagingBoner's original argument that the events of Unseen, Unheard do not necessarily reflect what actually happened....

Spoiler:
Well done, Ares. You've given me even moar ammo.

Nice way to completely miss half my post Gideon. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Simply because it achieves the same effect does not mean that it is the same technique. You could stop me from ripping out your eye with my bare hands but you could not stop me from ripping it out with telekinesis. While both have the same outcome, the way in which they go about it is different.

haermm

The inherent problem with this is that both are Force-based techniques specifically designed to perform the same effect, both steeped in ancient Sith teachings, and there isn't any reason to assume otherwise. I mean, hell, didn't you assume that Plo Koon and Luke Skywalker's techniques were the same based off description and effect?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
haermm

The inherent problem with this is that both are Force-based techniques specifically designed to perform the same effect, both steeped in ancient Sith teachings, and there isn't any reason to assume otherwise.

Do you even know how Nihilus' technique works? I sincerely doubt a machine could do it.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I mean, hell, didn't you assume that Plo Koon and Luke Skywalker's techniques were the same based off description and effect?

No. 😐

Plus description and effect is enough to conclude its the same. Merely effect is not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you even know how Nihilus' technique works? I sincerely doubt a machine could do it.

Well I doubt that the technique is unblockable, so there. 13

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. 😐

Oh, that was Janus. Damn it, I thought I had you there. mmm

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus description and effect is enough to conclude its the same. Merely effect is not.

You certainly didn't seem to mind that here.

In any case, you have been unable to bring forth any evidence to the table as to why these two drains are different, in spite of evidence to the contrary. I realize why, of course, but I suggest you do so soon. 😐

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Well I doubt that the technique is unblockable, so there. 13

Can machines form Force Bonds do you think?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
You certainly didn't seem to mind that here.

In any case, you have been unable to bring forth any evidence to the table as to why these two drains are different, in spite of evidence to the contrary. I realize why, of course, but I suggest you do so soon. 😐

I said it 'fits.' I would never use it in an actual debate.

How about it not resembling Nihilus Drain? Or does that just not count as evidence for you?

wait, so now you are saying Kreia's and N.'s drains are different? You have been claiming they were the same literally for years.

And they don't look the same, at all. I have always said one wasn't the same as the other.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Can machines form Force Bonds do you think?

Doubt it. Is it relevant?

Originally posted by Nephthys
How about it not resembling Nihilus Drain?

In what regard? Physical effect, i.e. property damage?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or does that just not count as evidence for you?

Well not without sources. Why are you always reluctant to provide them?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I said it 'fits.' I would never use it in an actual debate.

But you did, later in that thread, to assert Kreia's command of the shatterpoint is greater than Mace's.

Are you positive that you're just not indulging in double standards because you prefer KotOR II characters to those who aren't?

This is slightly off-topic, but as I was Google searching some material for this debate, I stumbled across an interesting debate in which one of our own is currently engaged. Someone is spreading his evil elsewhere!

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Doubt it. Is it relevant?

In what regard? Physical effect, i.e. property damage?

Well not without sources. Why are you always reluctant to provide them?

But you did, later in that thread, to assert Kreia's command of the shatterpoint is greater than Mace's.

Are you positive that you're just not indulging in double standards because you prefer KotOR II characters to those who aren't?

Its how his technique works. So yes, its very relevant. 😐

I don't know. You've never actually shown the Dark Reaper in action. 😐

haermm What have I not provided. You're teh one who's never actually shown the fvcking thing!

I said probably. 😐

Quite positive. 😐

wait, so now you are saying Kreia's and N.'s drains are different?

No.

okay, good. because they look completely different, you know that right?

like N.'s is all invisible, and Kreia's is all orange lightning. I don't even begin to see a comparison based on visual evidence (which, in lieu of narrative, is all we have)

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Halt.

So, first you assert that the Dark Reaper's drain and that of Nihilus don't resemble one another:

N.
How about it not resembling Nihilus Drain?

But then when I ask you for specifics, you say:

N.
I don't know. You've never actually shown the Dark Reaper in action.

haermm

Well then show it. 😐

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
This is slightly off-topic, but as I was Google searching some material for this debate, I stumbled across an interesting debate in which one of our own is currently engaged. Someone is spreading his evil elsewhere!

Huh, someone linked to your essay at the end there. That wouldn't happen to be you now would it?

Originally posted by Not-Janus
Name them. I routinely have this debate with folks on another forum. They are some of the most rabid Sidious defenders I've ever seen, and they've never been able to cite any such source. Please entertain me with specifics.

Teeheehee.