Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He killed three, was almost killed by Mace, and required external intervention by Anakin. He killed four, but only overpowered three.
Yeah, no, sweetheart. This is what you said,
You
But when it came time for four, he couldn't finish the job.
I can bold it for you, if you like. I can also add colors and increase the font-size just in case you suffer from that pesky Antediluvian selective vision.
Now unless finish means something entirely different in Canada, and I have it on good faith that it doesn't, your attempt to successfully wield sarcasm must be judged as a failure. Because the film that I watched depicted the fight between those Jedi and Palpatine ending (finishing) with Windu dying at Palpatine's hands, just like his three companions.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Are you sure you watched the same movies I did?
First, Hey, get you'reyour own material!
Second, obviously not:
Me
Our last discussion had me suspicious, but this one confirms it: You didn't watch the same movies I did.
...But I guess this is what happens when Plinkett's reading comprehension and misdirected sarcasm become contagious. Nicely done.
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Uh-huh.
Concession accepted. sneer
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You become quite the bother when someone disagrees with you, huh?
If by bother, you mean "irritatingly makes an ass out of other people with their own poorly aimed sarcasm," then guilty. 😐
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I didn't think you'd get such a pedantic hard-on with the use of the word "finish", but hey... are you mad bro?
no
I'm in a rather great mood, as I don't work tomorrow! he
But if it bothers you that I rather easily and brilliantly overpowered you, and that this battle of wills and wits finished in a way that you don't like, perhaps it will encourage you to bring your A-game. I'm the one 'Merican you Canadian bastards don't want to fvck with. 13
I mean, for a guy who so clearly enjoys ***-for-tat, mockery, and sarcasm, this should be right up your alley. Or can you not handle being on the receiving end? mmm
Oh, and because I'm a responsible logician:
Anakin Skywalker's databank profile
Skywalker's blade neatly cleaved through Mace Windu's arm. With his defenses stripped, Windu was easily overpowered by Chancellor Palpatine. The Sith Lord -- now revealed to be Darth Sidious -- killed the Jedi Councilor with a massive burst of Sith lightning that propelled Mace Windu out the shattered window of the Chancellor's office.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't recall Sidious ever overpowering a hundred Force users at once.I'm fine if you want to argue this version though, as it would legitimately make Nihilus the most poweful thing in Star Wars save perhaps Abeloth.
No, because I just said that Sidious did the same... How does it legitimately make Nihilus the most powerful thing in Star Wars if Sidious did better? Like Gideon said, he overpowered a lot more. And I see you're holding it against him that he couldn't overpower Yoda, one of the most powerful Force users ever, that's just looking for a desperate escape. I can do that too, Nihilus could overpower an entire planet but couldn't even overpower ONE Jedi, the Exile.
Because theres already been a Galactic War. Which they survived. Even if they were not chosen for their strength, their survival proves it. People hold Coleman Trebor up as an example of why a Jedi master doesn't have to be powerful to be a Master. And he didn't survive the first 10 minutes of a war. These Masters survived [b]years of it.[/B]
Surviving doesn't make you powerful if you just hid all the time... Coleman Trebor actually went into war, unlike the Council members who just stayed on Dantooine during the war.
Orbital bombing?yk6bEPcCrRA&feature=channel_video_title
Now how exactly did Malak capture those intact Jedi bodies if he bombarded the Academy from orbit? I trust I don't need to remind you of the utter destruction an orbital bombardment causes. Enough to destroy an entire planets surface.
Sigh. For someone who always brags to know everything about KOTOR I'm surprised you do not have all your facts straight: This is what the Droid on Dantooine said about the attack on Dantooine: "Approximately five years ago, the Dark Jedi Malak and his Sith fleet assaulted Dantooine. The surprise of the initial orbital bombardments prevented any resistance from the surface. The attack destroyed much of the Jedi Enclave, leaving only the sublevel partially intact. The Sith attack also concentrated heavily on some obscure ruins to the south, but the reason for this is unknown."
Mhm, orbital bombing?
To be on the Coucil perhaps. To still be on the Council after the Civil War and the Truimvirates Shadow War? No. 😬
There wasn't a Council during KOTOR 2? They were literally the LAST Jedi. They didn't fight during KOTOR 1 and went in hiding afterwards, that's how they survived.
The clear implication you are making is that though. I say that they're at least average Jedi Master levels and you attempt to refute me. I mean, you're actually arguing thet their power combined doesn't equal Shaak Ti. Wtf?! Its not like I'm calling these guys the second coming here! But overcoming 3 Master-level [b]is impressive.[/B]
I never implied them to be weaklings, I implied that we don't know how powerful they are. Alright, let's call them average Jedi Masters then. I'm sure it is impressive, I've never argued that Kreia wasn't impressive though, I've argued the thought of Kreia being able to "kill every single Force user instantly in any situation" (except for the Exile).
1) Revan was a **** up because of how they handled Revan. Its their fault for training him incorrectly. He was their student. And their refusal to aid him during teh Madalorian War was what pushed him down the darkside in the first place.
Training him incorrectly? How exactly was he trained differently than any other student. Is that why he was pushed down the Dark Side, Because he wasn't helped by the Council? Phew, I thought it had something to do with that Sith Emperor.
Point stands, if everyone including Revan would have listened to the Council, then he wouldn't have gained such a following and he wouldn't have had a third of the entire fleet.
2) Their plan was 'Lets wait and see.' Which was also their plan for the Mandalorian War. And the Initial Triumvirate attacks. 😐The Council ****ing suck in the Kotor games.
They gathered to find a way to stop them, but then they all got wiped out. Their plan was to stay hidden and seperated (to not avoid detection) until the enemy revealed themselves. How could they attack the Sith if they didn't know who, what or where they are?
TOR happens 2-300 years after Kotor 2. I fail to see the relevence to the Kotor-era Council.
So Council members during TOR are chosen for entirely different reasons than during KOTOR? Okay.
He does it if you decide not to rescue him, escaping on his own.
I decided to rescue him, so he didn't do it. Non-Canon.
8 or so iirc.
8 maximum, non Force users. Don't overreact events please.
It doesn't matter. Techniques do not get easier to perform when you work in tandem with other Jedi, they just get moe powerful.
So it doesn't matter that they couldn't do it on their own? I'd say that takes a lot away from their ability if they can only do it with two others.
Not familiar with? 😬They're the ones who talk about the technique for 10 effing minutes right before she uses it one them. Its like 30 seconds apart. And if knowing about the tehnique is an issue, then its still unblockable because no Jedi outside of the game demonstrates knowledge of it.
So you admit that they could also use the technique Kreia uses?
No to the Sidious example because the PIS was rampant in that scene and again we must assume that he wasn't expecting it. He is giggling into his hand at the time.
Lol to blaming it on PIS. I'd say that the Kreia- Jedi Masters scene is full of PIS too. Why did they pull out their lightsabers, why not do the same they did to the Jedi Exile, cut her off the Force, doesn't seem like the Exile could defend herself.
Originally posted by Eminence
The douchebaggery and semantics in all the threads you jackasses squabble across in make me want to revoke your typing privileges.Seriously, holy shit.
I can only hope my own douchebaggery is up to par.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
No, because I just said that Sidious did the same... How does it legitimately make Nihilus the most powerful thing in Star Wars if Sidious did better? Like Gideon said, he overpowered a lot more. And I see you're holding it against him that he couldn't overpower Yoda, one of the most powerful Force users ever, that's just looking for a desperate escape. I can do that too, Nihilus could overpower an entire planet but couldn't even overpower ONE Jedi, the Exile.
And I'm telling you that he did not. The difference being that I'm actually right.
Gideon is wrong.
One of the most powerful Jedi ever? Yes. More powerful that a hundred Jedi combined? No. 😬
Actually, he did overpower her. 😬
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Surviving doesn't make you powerful if you just hid all the time... Coleman Trebor actually went into war, unlike the Council members who just stayed on Dantooine during the war.
Only when they were training Revan. The war had been ongoing for years. I find it unlikely they were on Dantooine for all of it. Especially considering one is the Battlemaster of the Order.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Sigh. For someone who always brags to know everything about KOTOR I'm surprised you do not have all your facts straight: This is what the Droid on Dantooine said about the attack on Dantooine: "Approximately five years ago, the Dark Jedi Malak and his Sith fleet assaulted Dantooine. The surprise of the initial orbital bombardments prevented any resistance from the surface. The attack destroyed much of the Jedi Enclave, leaving only the sublevel partially intact. The Sith attack also concentrated heavily on some obscure ruins to the south, but the reason for this is unknown."Mhm, orbital bombing?
Very well. Nice find. But I'll note that despite resistence being 'prevented' Vrook was still able to escape.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
There wasn't a Council during KOTOR 2? They were literally the LAST Jedi. They didn't fight during KOTOR 1 and went in hiding afterwards, that's how they survived.
Irrelevent given your next statement.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
I never implied them to be weaklings, I implied that we don't know how powerful they are. Alright, let's call them average Jedi Masters then. I'm sure it is impressive, I've never argued that Kreia wasn't impressive though, I've argued the thought of Kreia being able to "kill every single Force user instantly in any situation" (except for the Exile).
Oh, good. You see, thats all I wanted.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Training him incorrectly? How exactly was he trained differently than any other student. Is that why he was pushed down the Dark Side, Because he wasn't helped by the Council? Phew, I thought it had something to do with that Sith Emperor.Point stands, if everyone including Revan would have listened to the Council, then he wouldn't have gained such a following and he wouldn't have had a third of the entire fleet.
If you talk to teh dude on Dantooine he points out how Revan was always a 'bad-egg'. Which they did nothing to correct. And I don't think its normal for a student to get punted between masters like a football.
If everyone had listened to the Council we'd be speaking in Mandalorian right now.
EPIC REFERENCE WIN!
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
They gathered to find a way to stop them, but then they all got wiped out. Their plan was to stay hidden and seperated (to not avoid detection) until the enemy revealed themselves. How could they attack the Sith if they didn't know who, what or where they are?
Maybe by actually looking? Their plan was awful and would have certainly of doomed the Jedi.'Wait and See' is what got them into the mess in the first place. And they refused to learn their lesson.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
So Council members during TOR are chosen for entirely different reasons than during KOTOR? Okay.
As I said, irrelevent.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
I decided to rescue him, so he didn't do it. Non-Canon.
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Originally posted by Slash_KMC
8 maximum, non Force users. Don't overreact events please.
Still an impressive display of power and skill with the technique.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
So it doesn't matter that they couldn't do it on their own? I'd say that takes a lot away from their ability if they can only do it with two others.
Well they obviously need to be able to use the technique to be able to use it togther, so I'm pretty damn sure they can use it. But if you must know, the Wall of Light can usually only be used by multiple people anyway, so no, it doesn't take away anything.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
So you admit that they could also use the technique Kreia uses?
Wtf? No. Of course they can't. They probably know about Force Lightning as well, it doesn't mean they can chuck it around willynilly.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Lol to blaming it on PIS. I'd say that the Kreia- Jedi Masters scene is full of PIS too. Why did they pull out their lightsabers, why not do the same they did to the Jedi Exile, cut her off the Force, doesn't seem like the Exile could defend herself.
They did not cut the Exile off from the Force, obviously, because the game still goes on.
For lightsabers, what Jedi does not draw their lightsabers in battle?
I think its obvious why they didn't attack.
: It is because they were afraid.
Because of the insta-drain I see?
Huh, I mean, if that's the case, wouldn't Kreia be able to beat anyone?
IDK, I'll just throw out some random food for thought:
Malak knew Force Drain. He used it against the Jedi on the Star Forge. I'm sure if he knew it was unstoppable, he would have tried it on Revan as well....and Revan survived in the end.
I'm just saying. I feel if somebody is powerful enough, they would dodge or overcome the Force Drain.
But I didn't read any of the arguments, so I wouldn't know a thing 🙂