hmm, if they were all overpowered at once, despite being near her level, here level couldn't have been all that high... Especially since she doesn't use the unblockable move when fighting Sion, and loses her arm as a result. If it is "unblockable" she had two situations where she should have used it, and did not. (When attacked by Sion, and when overthrown by N. and Sion)
Originally posted by truejedi
hmm, if they were all overpowered at once, despite being near her level, here level couldn't have been all that high... Especially since she doesn't use the unblockable move when fighting Sion, and loses her arm as a result. If it is "unblockable" she had two situations where she should have used it, and did not. (When attacked by Sion, and when overthrown by N. and Sion)
Well played.
Originally posted by truejedi
hmm, if they were all overpowered at once, despite being near her level, here level couldn't have been all that high... Especially since she doesn't use the unblockable move when fighting Sion, and loses her arm as a result. If it is "unblockable" she had two situations where she should have used it, and did not. (When attacked by Sion, and when overthrown by N. and Sion)
No really. Could she use the technique at that point? I remind you that as of Paragus Kreia has only recently recovered from death! And sure, use the technique on Nihilus, that'll go well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I thought it did. Do we have a recent Luke incarnation actually losing in one of these fights?
I don't remember you arguing that he would utterly overwhelm the competition? And I also believe you try to pass N.'s little fleet moving trick off as superior? amirite? (despite it being nowhere near as impressive as a giant star at the center of the galaxy...)
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Palpatine on his deathbed was able to manhandle multiple Jedi during the events of Empire's End, I don't see why Kreia would be any different. As you have asserted elsewhere, it is a result of technique, not raw strength in the Force.
Palpatine wasn't actually dead for a number of days though now was he. Its obvious that Kreia isn't nearly as powerful at the start of the game as she was at the end. Hell, could she even properly use teh Force before meeting the Exile? I mean she was cut off from it. So logically she'd regain it gradually over the game in much teh same way as the Exile.
Originally posted by truejedi
I don't remember you arguing that he would utterly overwhelm the competition? And I also believe you try to pass N.'s little fleet moving trick off as superior? amirite? (despite it being nowhere near as impressive as a giant star at the center of the galaxy...)
I'm iffy on the matter. Skywalkers power fluctuates between books as it is.
No, I dn't believe I ever have.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Palpatine wasn't actually dead for a number of days though now was he. Its obvious that Kreia isn't nearly as powerful at the start of the game as she was at the end.
I'm not seeing the distinction here. Kreia was alive when the technique would have benefited her and you asserted that the drain is a product of technique, not raw power. I don't see why she'd need to regain her full potency to utilize it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No I didn't.
You, on the other thread
Not on that scale perhaps but the point still stands. Do we think that the attack is unblockable or do we think that Nihilus is strong enough to overwhelm hundreds of Jedi Masters at once?
Here you discredit the notion that the technique succeeded through raw strength.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Here you discredit the notion that the technique succeeded through raw strength.
You misinterpret me. I also note that Nihilus was able to use the technique on a scale that completely dwarfs Traya's. So logically something must be at work to explain the vast difference in effects. Its unlikely that this was becase he was more skilled with the technique than her given that she was his master in the technique.
And just because I discredit its success being a matter of raw power does not mean that I think any Sith could perform it.
Why are we even discussing this again?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its unlikely that this was becase he was more skilled with the technique than her given that she was his master in the technique.
I don't follow; by your reckoning, no student can ever surpass his teacher when we know that isn't the case. Indeed, it seems that this is exactly what happened:
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And just because I discredit its success being a matter of raw power does not mean that I think any Sith could perform it.
Chris Avellone seems to think that "the Sith Lords of old" would have no problem using the technique if not for their reluctance to "sublimate their identities."
Originally posted by Nephthys
That link doesn't lead anywhere.
Fvck, hang on.