Originally posted by Nephthys
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160. [/B]
Hmmm... So it isn't always fatal. Nor does it permanently remove the user from the force.
Intresting.
mmm
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, and that the drain isn't noticable in any case other than the Jedi Masters is further proof of their power.
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When Nihilus attempts to drain the Exile we see the same thing despite the fact he isn't draining anything.
Originally posted by Nephthys
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Not Canon.
'It is a way that they fill the hollow places where the Force used to be.' As the Jedi Masters reveal to you, this is something that the Exile does [b]constantly. Every Single Time she kills someone.It is simply that she does not have conscious control over it teh way Kreia or Nihilus do. It is the same technique, but just as there are advanced versions of the same basic technique in other cases (Shock, Lightning, Storm) so too are there of this one. The basic use the Sith assassins are capable of allows them to force bonds on others and leech power from them. The advanced version of this is the Exile, who can leech even more, draining them dry upon death and unconsciously dominate others. The most advanced form is Nihilus', wherein he can leech power from entire planets (which is what the Sith were doing in Dxun fyi), use the link to force death and utterly drain them of the Force and consciously dominate all those around him. Remember the slaves upon his ship? Tobin? Dark reflections of the Exiles own companions.
No, he didn't. 😐 [/B]
Ehm yes, all of this is exactly what he did on Byss.
Tell me how it can be blocked and I will conceed that point. There is ample evidence that it cannot.
Ample evidence? Like?
Also, like I said in the other thread, I can't prove it can be blocked just as much as you can't prove it can't.
Yoda was surprised. The trio were not. She'd already attacked them once with the Force and they were on guard and ready for battle. Plus, you know, they have precognition. For her to have surprised them she'd need to have blocked or overwhelmed all of their senses. Either way she's overpowering them.
The precognition stuff is bs, didn't do a lot of good for Yoda or Sidious as I said. The trio were also surprised, they didn't know she was able to do that and they were obviously preparing for a duel, hence the Lightsabers. They weren't expecting her to cut them off the Force.
😐The drain.......... does cut people off from the Force.
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Plus:
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Thank you Gideon. 🙂
Again, that is what the drain does.
So what they do is cut people off the Force? Well, that's not unique at all, many Force users can perform the technique then.
Originally posted by ares834
Hmmm... So it isn't always fatal. Nor does it permanently remove the user from the force.Intresting.
mmm
Actually, there have been many who survived being cut off the Force. The Exile cut herself off, survived. Kreia was cut off, survived. Kyle Katarn cut himself off, survived. Ben Skywalker was cut off, survived. Ulic Qel-Droma was cut off, survived.
The technique they use is not something that can be taught like math can. It is instictive. Only someone who has been cut off from the Force can learn it.
I guess.
Originally posted by ares834
When Nihilus attempts to drain the Exile we see the same thing despite the fact he isn't draining anything.
Because he's consciously using the technique. Plus, as I said, they're variations of the same technique.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]The technique they use is not something that can be taught like math can. It is instictive. Only someone who has been cut off from the Force can learn it.I guess.
Well Malak appears to use it as does some Anazati dark jedi killed by Vos. Also weren't the Sith Assassins taught a variant of it? But yeah, it's instinctive and IIRC you have to expirence it to use it, I just doubt that you have to be cut from the force to be able to use it.
Because he's consciously using the technique. Plus, as I said, they're variations of the same technique.
So if you use it consciously it doesn't kill them? Meh... I'm inclined to think he just used the "wall of light" (wall of darkness?) technique. Sure the two abilties may be releated but there are some stark differnces between the two.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Not Canon.
**** you.
This:
...Is not non-canon.
“When we felt Katarr die, there is something we felt, something we'd felt once before. An echo in the Force. We'd felt it before when you stood before us. Whatever this threat, whatever this hunger is, it is something tied to you, something you have experienced directly.”
“It is the teaching of these new Sith, to feed on others, on other Force Sensitives. They are symptomatic of the wound in the Force. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force.”
“What's worse, is these Sith that we face... I fear that they have learned the lesson of Malachor all too well. It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near.”
“Somehow, they have learned their hunger from you. And so you have brought about the end of the Jedi, and perhaps all the knowledge of the Force.”
Exact. Same. Technique.
If you're going to ignore evidence then don't bother replying. I know I won't.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Ehm yes, all of this is exactly what he did on Byss.
No it isn't.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Ample evidence? Like?Also, like I said in the other thread, I can't prove it can be blocked just as much as you can't prove it can't.
I can't prove gravity exists either. That doesn't mean that enough evidence can't make it an almost certainty.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
The precognition stuff is bs, didn't do a lot of good for Yoda or Sidious as I said. The trio were also surprised, they didn't know she was able to do that and they were obviously preparing for a duel, hence the Lightsabers. They weren't expecting her to cut them off the Force.
Because Sidious and Yoda are close enough in level that they can block each others precognitive abilities to let attacks get through.
And plus:
A blind chimpanzee could see what she was about to do. They had just been talking about how the Sith can cut people off from the Force literally a minute ago. Wheres this 'intelligence' you seem to think they were picked for?
Originally posted by ares834
Well Malak appears to use it as does some Anazati dark jedi killed by Vos. Also weren't the Sith Assassins taught a variant of it? But yeah, it's instinctive and IIRC you have to expirence it to use it, I just doubt that you have to be cut from the force to be able to use it.So if you use it consciously it doesn't kill them? Meh... I'm inclined to think he just used the "wall of light" (wall of darkness?) technique. Sure the two abilties may be releated but there are some stark differnces between the two.
He does? Malak... and Vos? Wha? Yeah, I believe the assassins were.
I dunno. Not every nuance of the technique is fully explored.
No, obviously it can kill them. Kreia killed the Jedi Masters. What I meant with bringing it up was that Every time the Exile unconsciously drains someone when she kills him there no noticable indication of it except when she does it to the Masters, indicating to me that they have substantially more Force power to drain that the other enemies you face.
Originally posted by Nephthys
**** you.
Sorry man, I don't swing that way. 🙂
This:...Is not non-canon.
“When we felt Katarr die, there is something we felt, something we'd felt once before. An echo in the Force. We'd felt it before when you stood before us. [b]Whatever this threat, whatever this hunger is, it is something tied to you, something you have experienced directly.”
“It is the teaching of these new Sith, to feed on others, on other Force Sensitives. They are symptomatic of the wound in the Force. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force.”
“What's worse, is these Sith that we face... I fear that they have learned the lesson of Malachor all too well. It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near.”
“Somehow, they have learned their hunger from you. And so you have brought about the end of the Jedi, and perhaps all the knowledge of the Force.”
Exact. Same. Technique.
If you're going to ignore evidence then don't bother replying. I know I won't.[/B]
They're so vague about what they're always talking about, it's like everything they talk about is the same thing to you: Hunger happens instinctively, is controlled, cutting off the Force, draining life, draining the Force, something you have to experience, at some point it only applies to Force Sensitives, another it affects everyone, it makes you stronger, it doesn't change you, it can be taught, it can't be taught, makes Force Bonds, severs Force Bonds, you have to feel the Force to do it, you don't have to feel the Force, it has pinkish lightning, it isn't visible,...
Holy cluster****. It's all the SAME thing?
No it isn't.
Yes it is, but this again strays from the subject at hand.
I can't prove gravity exists either. That doesn't mean that enough evidence can't make it an almost certainty.
You didn't answer my "Ample evidence? Like?"
Because Sidious and Yoda are close enough in level that they can block each others precognitive abilities to let attacks get through.And plus:
A blind chimpanzee could see what she was about to do. They had just been talking about how the Sith can cut people off from the Force literally a minute ago. Wheres this 'intelligence' you seem to think they were picked for?
This just proves how dumb the Jedi Masters are, just standing there, with their lightsabers ready, instead of using the technique themselves like they did on the Exile. The scene has just become a huge -facepalm- scene.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He does? Malak...
I think he means how Malak DRAINED the FORCE from the captives on the Star Forge.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Sorry man, I don't swing that way. 🙂
It just annoys me when people ignore half the games expostion when theres one 'canon' path through it. As if the other stuff in it is suddenly completely void.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
They're so vague about what they're always talking about, it's like everything they talk about is the same thing to you: Hunger happens instinctively, is controlled, cutting off the Force, draining life, draining the Force, something you have to experience, at some point it only applies to Force Sensitives, another it affects everyone, it makes you stronger, it doesn't change you, it can be taught, it can't be taught, makes Force Bonds, severs Force Bonds, you have to feel the Force to do it, you don't have to feel the Force, it has pinkish lightning, it isn't visible,...Holy cluster****. It's all the SAME thing?
Yes.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Yes it is, but this again strays from the subject at hand.
Did Palpatine 'drain' the planet of the Force so utterly that it became an absense in it? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
You didn't answer my "Ample evidence? Like?"
Do you wnat me to post teh entire contents of the threads? Because I'm not sure how you missed the evidence I gave in them.
It has been called an unblockable technique and has been demonstrated as such on two seperate occasions. Two occasions wherein it is highly unlikely the character could have succeeded had not the attack been unblockable. Furthermore, no-one has presented an actual method of blocking. Do you think a standard Force Barrier will do? Force deflection? Given the nature of the attack I'm inclined to say tat the only ways would be to Quey'Tek concealment techniques or other ways of concealing ones connection to the Force. Or be The Exile.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
This just proves how dumb the Jedi Masters are, just standing there, with their lightsabers ready, instead of using the technique themselves like they did on the Exile. The scene has just become a huge -facepalm- scene.
What? They couldn't use the technique. 😬
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
I think he means how Malak DRAINED the FORCE from the captives on the Star Forge.
Yeah, but why's Vos there? Also haha, very funny.