Originally posted by Cogito
If everything were being perpetually recreated then Umar wouldn't care about her realm (read: planet or somesuch) being destroyed, now would she?
Where did you see her attempt to stop them? Just how upset was she? I also noticed that it took her a while to realize exactly what extent the Wishing Wells powers were... as you recall, it was Tyranus that had to explicitly explain it to her, with the help of the crypto-mythologist chick. Umar was as cool as ice cream if you recall.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good back a couple of pages and you'll see me question it a few times... As I stated.. the realm could very well just be the ONE planet that her throne is on. Or as I said in my analogy.. If somebody comes in and destroys 2/5 rooms in my house... I could easily say.. somebody came in and destroyed my house.. Yet it's still standing and mostly there. We have the same thing here.. destroyers of my realm/dimension... Yeah.. stuff was destroyed including the planet her throne was one.. this doesn't mean the entire dimension was destroyed.
Originally posted by Cogito
Hulk: "I wish for everyone to be alive and safe"Ta-f'ing-da.
Wrong! Do you recall it being stated that whatever they wished for may have backfired? The Hulk had no control of what transpired, he was just pleasantly surprised that he could beat the hell out of Giants, Mindless unstoppable demon, a dragon, and some very powerful old foes... Oh, and that he could finally show Betty how he felt about all of the BS that she's put him through, and vice versa on her part.
They had no solid control of what was wished for... take note of what Arm'cheddon states: "THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HAPPEN"....
Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong! Do you recall it being stated that whatever they wished for may have backfired? The Hulk had no control of what transpired, he was just pleasantly surprised that he could beat the hell out of Giants, Mindless unstoppable demon, a dragon, and some very powerful old foes... Oh, and that he could finally show Betty how he felt about all of the BS that she's put him through, and vice versa on her part.They had no solid control of what was wished for... take note of what Arm'cheddon states: "THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HAPPEN"....
Yeah, it would have backfired. They'd still all be in the dark dimension fighting.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yeah and it backfired, they were safe and alive till they get killed again and are recreated, safe and alive and so on. It's safe to say they will always be safe and alive, though they will also die too...Somehow I think this story ain't that good and the old savage Hulk comics were better...
Hulk hasn't been good for a long time.. It's what happens when fan boys become writers.
Loeb did the same thing to Superman, with that whole stupid Imperiex stuff, and helped kill off Darkseids character in the process..
Originally posted by Diesldude
👆 step further, my house is also my world, my realm.
Only problem with that is in the picture that we see her planet being destroyed, we also see fractures appearing in the other planets around it.
PC Validus seems to be more full of hype than feats. So he tooled a few herald level beings that were able to tow around planets... Gladiator towed around planets, and the Hulk beat him. Not to mention that the Hulk was a lot less powerful than he is now.
In my opinion it's Validus that has to come up with feats that trump the Hulks recent ones, not to mention the fact that there is no proof that he could not become stronger than he is now. I know Validus had a cut off point.... The Hulk according to his myth's does not.
Ok, let's break this down.
Evidence for dimensional destruction:
- Supposition
Evidence against dimensional destruction:
- The continued existence of the Dark Dimension in 635
- No artwork explicitly showing the destruction of anything other than the planet
- No character explicitly stating the destruction of the dimension
Look, I for one, and I think everyone else here, would accept that the Dark Dimension was destroyed if it's mentioned or shown in the pages of 635. Until that happens, there's no logical reason to believe it happened.
RIP Gamma Father, may he rest in peace.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yeah and it backfired, they were safe and alive till they get killed again and are recreated, safe and alive and so on. It's safe to say they will always be safe and alive, though they will also die too...Somehow I think this story ain't that good and the old savage Hulk comics were better...
Savage Hulk is the only hulk (and Maestro). If Savage Hulk met current Hulk, he would know exactly what to do: "Stupid Gamma-Father! Hulk smash!"
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, let's break this down.Evidence for dimensional destruction:
- SuppositionEvidence against dimensional destruction:
- The continued existence of the Dark Dimension in 635
- No artwork explicitly showing the destruction of anything other than the planet
- No character explicitly stating the destruction of the dimensionLook, I for one, and I think everyone else here, would accept that the Dark Dimension was destroyed if it's mentioned or shown in the pages of 635. Until that happens, there's no logical reason to believe it happened.
RIP Gamma Father, may he rest in peace.
Nicely done.
Yeah, that about sums it up.
Originally posted by Stoic
Only problem with that is in the picture that we see her planet being destroyed, we also see fractures appearing in the other planets around it.PC Validus seems to be more full of hype than feats. So he tooled a few herald level beings that were able to tow around planets... Gladiator towed around planets, and the Hulk beat him. Not to mention that the Hulk was a lot less powerful than he is now.
In my opinion it's Validus that has to come up with feats that trump the Hulks recent ones, not to mention the fact that there is no proof that he could not become stronger than he is now. I know Validus had a cut off point.... The Hulk according to his myth's does not.
PC Kryptonians are way above herald level, and trump current Hulk's feats alone; towing planets gets touted a lot, but they can hurl stars, and destroy solar systems with a sneeze. Validus threw a PC Kryptonian THROUGH another planet, and has effortlessly deflected their attacks.
Originally posted by Simbon
Savage Hulk is the only hulk (and Maestro). If Savage Hulk met current Hulk, he would know exactly what to do: "Stupid Gamma-Father! Hulk smash!"
And Savage Hulk would be destroyed. If you have followed the Hulk for any period of time, you would know that the Savage Hulk was the Hulk as a child. He has finally matured. You will notice the size change, and the attitude that Loeb nearly destroyed by not knowing the Hulks history. It was something that began in the Byrne days, and was capitalized in the Peter David era, Pak recognized Loebs flaw, and did not follow suit.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, let's break this down.Evidence for dimensional destruction:
- SuppositionEvidence against dimensional destruction:
- The continued existence of the Dark Dimension in 635
- No artwork explicitly showing the destruction of anything other than the planet
- No character explicitly stating the destruction of the dimensionLook, I for one, and I think everyone else here, would accept that the Dark Dimension was destroyed if it's mentioned or shown in the pages of 635. Until that happens, there's no logical reason to believe it happened.
RIP Gamma Father, may he rest in peace.
If they did not destroy the entire dimension I'm fine with it. What was destroyed however, was far more than I've seen Validus do, and would be interested in seeing some scans to put these latest Hulk feats to the test.
I recall people stating that Mangog would destroy the Hulk because of how well he's done against Thor, and yet there were no feats other than him tossing Thor around to prove it. This is supposed to be a debate correct? Well let's see something concrete to support PC Validus having the ability to beat the Hulk.
Originally posted by Simbon
PC Kryptonians are way above herald level, and trump current Hulk's feats alone; towing planets gets touted a lot, but they can hurl stars, and destroy solar systems with a sneeze. Validus threw a PC Kryptonian THROUGH another planet, and has effortlessly deflected their attacks.
Yea see what I mean... I've also seen PC Kryptonians make the AGGHHWOO sound effect by getting hit by a damn baseball bat.
Originally posted by Stoic
And Savage Hulk would be destroyed. If you have followed the Hulk for any period of time, you would know that the Savage Hulk was the Hulk as a child. He has finally matured. You will notice the size change, and the attitude that Loeb nearly destroyed by not knowing the Hulks history. It was something that began in the Byrne days, and was capitalized in the Peter David era, Pak recognized Loebs flaw, and did not follow suit.
I have followed the Hulk's history (though mainly, post-savage, because I like his villains); and while you can go along with the conventional wisdom that hulk evolved, it would be more accurate to say that writers felt the possibilities of a child-like hulk had been exhausted (they were wrong), and that it would be easier for them if hulk could talk like a grown-up. The end-result is just another "angry superhero" character that it is pretty much impossible to give a shit about.
Originally posted by Simbon
I have followed the Hulk's history (though mainly, post-savage, because I like his villains); and while you can go along with the conventional wisdom that hulk evolved, it would be more accurate to say that writers felt the possibilities of a child-like hulk had been exhausted (they were wrong), and that it would be easier for them if hulk could talk like a grown-up. The end-result is just another "angry superhero" character that it is pretty much impossible to give a shit about.
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This is exactly how I feel. Except I certainly felt the child-like Hulk persona was getting tired.