Originally posted by Bardock42Right but saying my opinion shouldn't be taken seriously and is wrong because I'm "morally inferior" is.
Well, for ad-hominem he'd have to say that your opinions are invalid because you are sick and a lowlife. Just saying that or saying that you are sick and wrong because of your opinions is insulting you but does not qualify as ad-hominem.
Originally posted by UshgarakWell anyways...
That is one of three reasons why it was not ad hominem, but as I said that should be discussed in another thread.
This is the year 2011, women have more options than ever when it comes to kids and with the change of family structure in today's society we should have more choices for men since we have them for women. Condoms aren't the most effective and vasectomy has its own problems.
Women and men should have equal rights. An agreement beforehand or when first notified would do wonders. In today's society people don't have sex primarily for kids, not even half the time.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well anyways...This is the year 2011, women have more options than ever when it comes to kids and with the change of family structure in today's society we should have more choices for men since we have them for women. Condoms aren't the most effective and vasectomy has its own problems.
Women and men should have equal rights. An agreement beforehand or when first notified would do wonders. In today's society people don't have sex primarily for kids, not even half the time.
Equal rights should be about the same circumstances though. Which pregnancy obviously can't be, due to biological facts. I don't think it is an issue of equality whether a man should be held financially responsible. But I do think it is something to consider obviously for different reasons.
Originally posted by Bardock42But nothing is really ever the same. You could argue that for working. Women are very likely to drop out the workforce for whatever amount of time, file more suits, and are more likely to take less risks than men. They also call out literally about twice as much. Should they be paid less, or not at all?
Equal rights should be about the same circumstances though. Which pregnancy obviously can't be, due to biological facts. I don't think it is an issue of equality whether a man should be held financially responsible. But I do think it is something to consider obviously for different reasons.
I do agree that a man shouldn't force a woman to abort, obviously. But opting out has nothing to do with a "woman's body" at all. Not to mention not having a wiling father is bad for the kid *and* the father.
Originally posted by UshgarakWho says the man "abandoned" her? If there was never an agreement to have kids beforehand (which there usually isn't) and a woman chooses to make decisions for a man and decide his future permanently, he should be able to leave. A person should not have that kind of power over another individual. Women aren't innocent lambs who just get abandoned by men. Women often have kids to *keep* men around. Even girls who are 16 and 17 stupidly do this. I've talked to several. When the guys leave, *then* they abort, because he leaves. Proving my point that people have kids for selfish reasons and use the kids for their own leverage.
Abandoning the woman to bring up the child alone is worse.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Who says the man "abandoned" her? If there was never an agreement to have kids beforehand (which there usually isn't) and a woman chooses to make decisions for a man and decide his future permanently, he should be able to leave. A person should not have that kind of power over another individual. Women aren't innocent lambs who just get abandoned by men. Women often have kids to *keep* men around. Even girls who are 16 and 17 stupidly do this. I've talked to several. When the guys leave, *then* they abort, because he leaves. Proving my point that people have kids for selfish reasons and use the kids for their own leverage.
Logic and reason says it is abandonment. It is also abandonment of the child that he helped to create- that it was unintentional is irrelevant as he still knew that it was possible and did it anyway.
He made his part of the decision when he had sex. Again, a fact, and if you don't think men getting women pregnant and then running away is an issue- an issue far larger than any of the exaggerated trivial nonsense you've come up with- then... well. It's not a surprise considering your sexist views but simply you are wrong.
Originally posted by UshgarakNot sexist at all. Btw guys who get chicks knocked up and don't use protection are stupid losers and don't really care, they're not going anywhere in life obviously. I'm talking about men like myself who have something in life and don't need a broad ruining it.
Logic and reason says it is abandonment. It is also abandonment of the child that he helped to create- that it was unintentional is irrelevant as he still knew that it was possible and did it anyway.He made his part of the decision when he had sex. Again, a fact, and if you don't think men getting women pregnant and then running away is an issue then... well. It's not a surprise considering your sexist views but simply you are wrong.
Wanting equality is not sexist. Obviously if the man is using protection it's because he *doesn't* want to have a kid. Why would some whore think that a one night stand means that he wants to have a kid. A woman choosing when and when she can't have a kid so she can tag whomever she pleases for money is immoral. Men are not promising these women these kids so they have no ownership over him. A man has to stay with a woman because he had sex with her? That's over the top and ridiculous. Women sleep around just like men do and many times they don't know who the father is. Women have numerous partners themselves. So it's not like they were in some exclusive relationship waiting on marriage like they did half a century ago or more.
Women having kids and extorting men for money and having kids with no father around is a much larger problem and is bad for society. She has the choice whether or not a kid is born. If men had the choice, trust me it wouldn't be a problem. If the tables were switched hypothetically. And again who are choosing these irresponsible men to procreate with, knowing full well they are irresponsible (the ones that are) women who do this do this more than once. If you choose a deadbeat, YOU are the loser. Stop sleeping with irresponsible men. Which will never happen because women like men like that.
Hah, good luck convincing others that your comments aren't sexist- even Dadude thinks you are. Like I said, hysterical for you to claim otherwise.
I really do pity a person like yourself in many ways. What makes a person so malformed in their views?
Anyway, read back above for my ripostes to all that, and society and culture being on my side. You're just going around in circles, really. I'm not going to follow.
But in short- yes. A man who willingly has sex with a woman and makes her pregnant will have to face up to his responsibilities to that child. Sorry- that's the way it is, and rightfully so. Plan your sex life accordingly.
Originally posted by UshgarakWhere did he say that? If he did, that's on him.
Hah, good luck convincing others that your comments aren't sexist- even Dadude thinks you are. Like I said, hysterical for you to claim otherwise.I really do pity a person like yourself in many ways. What makes a person so malformed in their views?
Good luck convincing others that there aren't manginas who pee sitting down on this board. It's hysterical to claim otherwise. Advocating equal rights is not sexist at all. Men in today's society are more like women and the women are more like men so I'm not surprised. Anything that is equal is sexist and anything that tilts the favor to women is considered fair. It's said that the US, UK, Canada, and Australia have reached this point. This is whey the women here are like they are. Thankfully there are many countries one can go to and find better women there.
No need to pity me. I made the right decisions and I'm successful because of it. I am a successful entrepreneur who does what he wants when he wants and doesn't have to listen to anybody he doesn't want to. I wouldn't trade my life for the world. Especially with some fool who was suckered into paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to a kid that he didn't want.
And society once supported slavery, so what? Doesn't make it right. The numbers and statistics are on my side and having kids like this is bad for everyone, and not good for the woman in the long run either. That's a fact. Men should be able to opt out. I recommend getting a vasectomy and storing your sperm if you are able to. Saves you many headaches down the road.
Originally posted by UshgarakI learn from the best. 😉
Oh and another beautifully put argument from you there... you must be so proud!
Culture and society once supported slavery, I guess that's right too. It also supported women not being able to vote.
Now we've done a 180, we have the Vawa act. If a woman hits a man and the man calls the cops, guess what, he still goes to jail.
I guess that's a good idea too. Women should be able to have kids and abort for their own selfish reasons and men are held hostage in this situation. Nothing sexist about it at all.
Originally posted by UshgarakYes I'm so terrible for wanting equal rights for both parties. I'm bad for wanting society to be better by cutting down on the amount of kids raised in poverty in single mother households.
Please keep going- it's very funny. I am waiting for you to make a post that doesn't make you look like even more of a vile person.
I should be like some other people who think women should do whatever a man can do but have their own little special perks.
Women should be able to divorce a man, steal his assets and his money for life, take his kids and move another man in his house while he is still supporting them.
I should want a system where a woman kidnaps a child and moves without telling the man and he still has to pay. Because clearly it's for the good of the child.
I want a system where women can use kids to take advantage of men, by not letting them see them, while still taking their money.
I should want a system that forces men to pay child support for kids that aren't even theirs and even if he proves it with a DNA test he still has to pay.
Because women are so equal they need extra laws skewed in their favor, and even with 3/10 men paying for kids that aren't theirs, I should support it.
Seems like the sexism is against men, I'd hate to think what the people who support things like this are called.
Hey I'm having fun too. I know you're going to continue to post. I'll be sitting over here dealing with hot women who know how to cook a meal every once in a while. If fat, short haircut women who run the show are your thing, then hey. What can I do? 😉
It's bad when even men support such abuse of the system, but I guess with all the kids growing up by single mothers nowadays they are being brainwashed to believe this. Oh and btw I wouldn't bother with Westernized women. I like women from other countries who are actually feminine and keep themselves up and aren't mouthy broads. Men becoming like women and women becoming like men.