Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinJuggernaut said: "You might'a taken away my invulnerability..." Why should I take that statement + Thor's subsequent physical trouncing of Juggy, as anything but literal?
Thor also said that the Godblast was the same one that did all that other crap. You going to take his wording as well?
It's not PIS just because you don't like it.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Thor also said that the Godblast was the same one that did all that other crap. You going to take his wording as well?Also, he is durable without the force field. That part in the Thor comic was PIS, just like when the sniper KO'd Thor with nothing more than a bullet.
I'd say WWH was hitting harder than Thor was in that issue, yet Juggernaut, w/o a forcefield, was not down for the count in anyway.
WWH hit him once
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor used his advantages to repeatedly pound Juggernaut to the point he was probably one blow away from being put out.If Hulk unloaded on Juggernaut similarly, I see no evidence in their fight to support the same wouldn't happen.
Because Juggernaut has a healing factor better than Hulk's, that could easily keep him in the fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
Juggernaut said: "You might'a taken away my invulnerability..." Why should I take that statement + Thor's subsequent physical trouncing of Juggy, as anything but literal?It's not PIS just because you don't like it.
So because it was shown on panel and a short description of the bullet KOing Thor, that is not PIS?
Also, that writer in the narration had labeled Juggernaut a mutant, does that mean he is mutant?
The point was that there are comics which imply that Juggs invulnerability lies in his force field and others which say that his invulnerability doesn't lie in his force field. Thus it is not fair to pick and choose which one suits you but rather go with the more consistent portrayal. And that is Juggs is invulnerable without the forcefield.
Originally posted by h1a8
The point was that there are comics which imply that Juggs invulnerability lies in his force field and others which say that his invulnerability doesn't lie in his force field. Thus it is not fair to pick and choose which one suits you but rather go with the more consistent portrayal. And that is Juggs is invulnerable without the forcefield.
Is it not common knowledge that Juggernaut is invulnerable sans shield? I mean how many times has he actually used the damn shield like 5 tops? We need to make another mythbuster thread ...only a troll would think otherwise
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinRed herring, much? Those analogies literally do not apply at all. ermm
So because it was shown on panel and a short description of the bullet KOing Thor, that is not PIS?
Mjolnir negated Juggy's force-field/invulnerability momentarily. During Juggy's moment of weakness, Thor was able to trounce him physically. Again: it's not PIS just because you don't like it.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Because Juggernaut has a healing factor better than Hulk's, that could easily keep him in the fight.
Your defense is that he has a healing factor? 😂
A healing factor doesn't stop someone from being knocked the f*ck out in comics if a writer wants it to happen. Never has.
I'm honestly not sure if you're being serious here.
Hulk's attacks were having an effect on Cain, that's the bottom line. Maybe if the writer had a long history of illustrating that 'healing factor=impossible to knock out' you'd have an argument but as it stands, the comic doesn't support your argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushe got knocked the f*ck out in amazing spider-man #627
Your defense is that he has a healing factor? 😂A healing factor doesn't stop someone from being knocked the f*ck out in comics if a writer wants it to happen. Never has.
a knock out that seemingly lasted hours, and the swollen eye and bloody nose too
Originally posted by Galan007
Red herring, much? Those analogies literally do not apply at all. ermmMjolnir negated Juggy's force-field/invulnerability momentarily. During Juggy's moment of weakness, Thor was able to trounce him physically. Again: it's not PIS just because you don't like it.
What about the people that didn't like Spider-Man beating down Firelord?
There are other moments in comics where Juggernaut tanks attacks w/o his forcefield, and does not suffer the same effects. WWH being one of them. Cain's character has also been explored more since then, more specifically his healing factor.
I'd wager that sense that writer thought he was a mutant, he did not grasp Juggernaut's character fully either.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your defense is that he has a healing factor?
I put that forward that if he were not to have great durability w/o the force field, that should keep him in the game beyond 4 punches.
Out of curiosity, what did you think of Thor's remark that he could never truly beat Hulk in one of the recent FI books?
Originally posted by Devron87
Onslaught nearly kill him by juggernaut own admission,
Onslaught also said that Juggernaut can't be killed as long as he has a connection to the power.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah but Oblivion couldn't kill Juggs directly but rather trapped him there for an eternity until he aged and died. I say PIS because it is well established that Juggs is immortal and doesn't age.
Who says Oblivion even tried to kill him? Juggernaut just got trapped in Oblivion and couldn't get out. All Cain Marko's aging in the realm shows is that Cyttorak's enchantment didn't work in the realm of Oblivion, but once Juggernaut was spit back out the enchantment started working again and Cain was restored back to life.
Originally posted by Galan007
The example you gave there certainly is PIS, but it's also much different than Thor using Mjolnir to momentarily negate Juggy's FF.
I'd also say if it wasn't PIS, he negated more than just the forcefield. After Thor "trounced" Cain, and his time limit was up, Cain's field came back, was not on the ropes any more and then some how trounced Thor with a huge column. It was as if he had not been beaten to within one punch of a KO.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I put that forward that if he were not to have great durability w/o the force field, that should keep him in the game beyond 4 punches.Out of curiosity, what did you think of Thor's remark that he could never truly beat Hulk in one of the recent FI books?
I'm still not sure if your being serious. He had an excellent showing in a one shot during the 90's. Great, using that as an argument to claim he can't be knocked out is not only laughable but downright stupid based on what comics have printed over the years.
A pissed off Thor unloaded on Juggernaut repeatedly to the point he nearly put him out.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg
Green Scar was capable of hurting Cain with his attacks.
If you substituted Green Scar for Thor, I don't see why you think their battle proves Hulk cannot put down Cain if put in a similar situation like Thor.
The evidence doesn't match your reasoning and so defeats your purpose for mentioning the scene originally. Not to mention that a weaker Hulk has floored Cain in the past.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinThor stated that he negated Juggy's enchantment. We know some portion of the enchantment must have still been intact, otherwise Cain would have reverted back to a normal human. However, we know Thor DID negate Cain's FF/invulnerability, and likely a good portion of his remaining strength/durability as well (hence Juggy nearly being KO'ed with a few punches.)
I'd also say if it wasn't PIS, he negated more than just the forcefield. After Thor "trounced" Cain, and his time limit was up, Cain's field came back, was not on the ropes any more and then some how trounced Thor with a huge column. It was as if he had not been beaten to within one punch of a KO.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm still not sure if your being serious. He had an excellent showing in a one shot during the 90's. Great, using that as an argument to claim he can't be knocked out is not only laughable but downright stupid based on what comics have printed over the years.A pissed off Thor unloaded on Juggernaut repeatedly to the point he nearly put him out.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpgGreen Scar was capable of hurting Cain with his attacks.
If you substituted Green Scar for Thor, I don't see why you think their battle proves Hulk cannot put down Cain if put in a similar situation like Thor.
The evidence doesn't match your reasoning and so defeats your purpose for mentioning the scene originally. Not to mention that a weaker Hulk has rocked Cain in the past.
I think your reasoning is getting ridiculous. WWH was able to push Cain down but not hurt him. People still grunt even when they are not hurt. Prof. Hulk didn't really hurt Cain either. He caught him off guard with a punch to the stomach. It was cause and effect, he collapsed his lungs and the air in him only had one way to go, out.
A weakened Juggernaut was able to stand up to Thor and Mjolnir recently in Thunberbolts. He was bleeding badly yes, but he was not staggering like he did in that Thor issue.
Originally posted by Galan007
Thor stated that he negated Juggy's enchantment. We know some portion of the enchantment must have still been intact, otherwise Cain would have reverted back to a normal human. However, we know Thor DID negate Cain's FF/invulnerability, and likely a good portion of his remaining strength/durability as well (hence Juggy nearly being KO'ed with a few punches.)
Are you saying you think that it is a possibility that more than just his force field had been reduced/taken away?
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin...Unless you think Juggy is THAT far below Thor from a physical standpoint, I'd say his strength/durability certainly took a hit from Thor's negation spell.
Are you saying you think that it is a possibility that more than just his force field had be reduced/taken away?
I don't care either way, though.
