Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap didn't stand down or run away... Cap took an uppercut from Namor while he was enraged.. Didn't kill him at all.
That shot Cap took put him down cyclops saved him from Namor with an optic blast and I would be careful Hope, Cyclops, and Dr nemesis took shots from Namor in that arc and some took them better than he did.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
How do you miss a 27 issue run of a character including feats, fights and an upgrade and then want to have a debate about him?
Yo did you see where I said I have issues with him and research online? I don't have to read those issues. I could go to his respect thread or Marvel database or Marvel.com to see his powers and abilities.. Quit the bullshit...
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
That shot Cap took put him down cyclops saved him from Namor with an optic blast and I would be careful Hope, Cyclops, and Dr nemesis took shots from Namor in that arc and some took them better than he did.
Ummm... No they didn't. Cyclops didn't save Steve. Blaststar hit Namor with a blast.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yo did you see where I said I have issues with him and research online? I don't have to read those issues. I could go to his respect thread or Marvel database or Marvel.com to see his powers and abilities.. Quit the bullshit...
Yes reading the actually comic about the character your debate is highly overrated got ya.
You having past issues mean shit he was upgraded in his current series and has feats that reflect that.
I don't believe your just reference Marvel database and Marvel.com against actually reading comics amazing.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Ummm... No they didn't. Cyclops didn't save Steve. Blaststar hit Namor with a blast.
I was mistaken about who hit him it changes nothing he was saved by Blastar before Cyke could get off a shot
Yes they did.
Originally posted by zopzop
I think that after 24 pages, we can agree that they are pretty evenly matched and they have both gone up against and done well vs people outside their weight class (so to speak).It all comes down to who gets the first shot in and then presses the advantage.
That's not acceptable. You're in a vs. thread. So take a stand ! Who wins ? I say Cap .
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you really knew what he was capable of you wouldn't be bringing up Cap's showing against pre-upgrade Danny like it means something.
Of course it matters. Not only did Steve state he's better, but IF states that he has never fought someone like Cap before. And Guest what? Cap hasn't just been doing nothing since then, siting on his ass.... People wanna talk about IF is powerful and somehow he's more skilled... If you wanna argue power sets, fine. IF wins there. But this isn't the case..
I'm not going to repost scans. Even if I do, Cap's feats will just be over looked.. IF isn't coming into this fight without getting hit himself... Cap is that skilled to hit him and has landed blows on even more skilled fighters such as Logan... So the bullshit can stop here. And IF doesn't have Steve durability. Sure he can amp, but not with Steve on his ass. And that goes for IF's healing as well. He won't have time to focus his chi to do so.
It's has been proven and it's a fact that Steve has what it take to put his ass down... Shield strikes all day..
You can dismiss Cap' fight with IF all you want.. The writer, and Steve both felt he was better then... And Steve constantly trains to keep his skills at their best and has been in battles since then... You think Steve is any less skilled now then he was before? Hell no... To think that because IF has gotten more powerful with chi amping (CHI AMPING), he can just walk over Cap or that Cap has no chance to win is BS..
Talk of IF will punch through Cap's shield is the bullshit I'm talking about.... You may not have said that. But it's here in this thread.. Nonsense at its best...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Of course it matters. Not only did Steve state he's better, but IF states that hehas never fought someone like Cap before.
Cap stated he's nearly as good as Mantis, and that's not good enough.
Which is crap. Mantis is leagues above both Cap and Danny. She can fight class 100's on an even level, like Val Armorr in DC.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Yes reading the actually comic about the character your debate is highly overrated got ya.You having past issues mean shit he was upgraded in his current series and has feats that reflect that.
I don't believe your just reference Marvel database and Marvel.com against actually reading comics amazing.
I was mistaken about who hit him it changes nothing he was saved by Blastar before Cyke could get off a shot
Yes they did.
Whats that mean? Nothing! Scott nor Dr Nemesis is as or more durable than Steve... Steve didn't need to be saved. He would have gotten out of the way. Steve has fought Namor before and held his own... Don't go there..
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Whats that mean? Nothing! Scott nor Dr Nemesis is as or more durable than Steve... Steve didn't need to be saved. He would have gotten out of the way. Steve has fought Namor before and held his own... Don't go there..
Did they send you to school thats the point I was making everyone was taking shot from Namor in that arc regardless of durability.That is why I said to be careful.
Yes he need to be saved his head was down he was on his knee's with Namor about to pounce on him.
Well he was not holding it here he got put down with one shot and needed to be saved.