Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Did they send you to school thats the point I was making everyone was taking shot from Namor in that arc regardless of durability.That is why I said to be careful.Yes he need to be saved his head was down he was on his knee's with Namor about to pounce on him.
Well he was not holding it here he got put down with one shot and needed to be saved.
Your opinion, not fact...
I've seen other times where Cap had got beaten worse and was able to recover on his own.. Cap would've rolled out of the way if he was there alone. But he wasn't.
And before you try to insult me (yes "try"😉, you should read what is written before posting.. I never said one doesn't need to read comics... What I said is that I don't have to read his series to learn about IF because I have IRON FIST FEATURED IN OTHER COMIC BOOKS...!!! Do you see what I wrote now? Are the letters big enough?! You're a fool if you think Marvel database or Marvel.com are not good sources for info... It gives you a understanding of the characters and their powers. But AS I STATED BRFORE, I READ LOTS OF COMICS.....
Originally posted by zopzop
I think that after 24 pages, we can agree that they are pretty evenly matched and they have both gone up against and done well vs people outside their weight class (so to speak).It all comes down to who gets the first shot in and then presses the advantage.
Originally posted by zopzop
I went with IF for a slight majority 6/10 but Cap makes him work HARD for those wins. I said that a few pages back too. It's just too close to call between these two.
This I can agree with (first post) and is the two most reasonable posts in the thread from an IF supporter... Everyone else ignores Cap' feats..
I haven't even once said Cap takes its 8-10 or Cap wins 10-10... I just gave it to Cap 6-10.. But of course it can go either way..
I know it'll be hard for both men... This fight should imo last an hour at least... And thats saying something about both men...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Your opinion, not fact...I've seen other times where Cap had got beaten worse and was able to recover on his own.. Cap would've rolled out of the way if he was there alone. But he wasn't.
He was on his knees head down and seem to be lean on his shield for support Cyclops was so worried about him that he had to stop looking after a severely wounded Hope you know the savior of the mutant race to save him which cap was perfectly aware of so your assumption that he did not role away because he was not alone is ridiculous.
Second point reading the comic is always the first choice those sites can be a supplement but never a replacement.No matter how good they are your getting a characters entire history compacted in one or two pages.Alot of them can be edited by anyone and people have different interpretations of what happens in books theirs might differ from yours.
Lets provide and example this is from the marvel database Iron Fist continued to work with Luke Cage. The two investigated a virus attack on the Rand Corporation, leading to a confrontation with the BAD Girls, Cable, and Deadpool.
This is what happened in that confrontation
Now read that and tell me who won who looked better what feats were pulled of by each fighter.Things that would be pretty important in an actual debate based on that summary.You are not gonna find feats and fights for the 27 issues you missed in that respect thread you can go look right now and these short summaries at these site wont give you the info as you can see.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
He was on his knees head down and seem to be lean on his shield for support Cyclops was so worried about him that he had to stop looking after a severely wounded Hope you know the savior of the mutant race to save him which cap was perfectly aware of so your assumption that he did not role away because he was not alone is ridiculous.Second point reading the comic is always the first choice those sites can be a supplement but never a replacement.No matter how good they are your getting a characters entire history compacted in one or two pages.Alot of them can be edited by anyone and people have different interpretations of what happens in books theirs might differ from yours.
[B]Lets provide and example this is from the marvel database Iron Fist continued to work with Luke Cage. The two investigated a virus attack on the Rand Corporation, leading to a confrontation with the BAD Girls, Cable, and Deadpool.
This is what happened in that confrontation
Now read that and tell me who won who looked better what feats were pulled of by each fighter.Things that would be pretty important in an actual debate based on that summary.You are not gonna find feats and fights for the 27 issues you missed in that respect thread you can go look right now and these short summaries at these site wont give you the info as you can see. [/B]
I don't care to argue this point. It has nothing to do with the battle at hand. And you can't tell me which way is best to learn about a character. My way of learning may be different from others.
And if you truly get my point, you could see that I already consider comics first hand information over all else. But websites and respect threads can help add more.
Originally posted by MarvelknightAnd if you truly get my point, you could see that I already consider comics first hand information over all else. But websites and respect threads can help add more.
Really bad memory? because what I saw you say is that you don't have to read those specific issues that you can get all the information that you need form his respect thread and and a couple of sites that summarize his entire history in a couple of paragraphs and don't give specifics on nearly any of his fights.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yo did you see where I said I have issues with him and research online? I don't have to read those issues. I could go to his respect thread or Marvel database or Marvel.com to see his powers and abilities.. Quit the bullshit...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I don't care to argue this point. It has nothing to do with the battle at hand. And you can't tell me which way is best to learn about a character. My way of learning may be different from others.
Of course you don't care to argue the point you don't have one to argue.
Lets take another piece of summation from Marvel.com now.
Quan forced Danny to lead him and his army through the gateway, but once on the other side, they were greeted by Davos and a high powered rifle. Lei Kung sent his son to kill Quan Yaozu, if he still lived, because the Thunderer feared what would happen if Quan returned to his former home. Danny refused to take Quan's life and fought to save him instead. The selfless act made Yaozu rethink his position, and he agreed to speak with Lei Kung peacefully
Here we have an extremely weakened Danny shot in the hand and still showing the ability to hold his own against Davos.It's not in the respect thread and this description is all they gave you about the fight
"Danny refused to take Quan's life and fought to save him instead"
Tell me how many punches Danny threw how many Davos threw they didnt tell you that Danny got shot in that description.Hell I could tell you that Danny peed in the snow made a snow ball hit Davos with it and you could not tell me I am wrong BECAUSE YOU DIDNT READ THE DAMN COMIC.
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that you have to read every comic to debate a character I have not and I doubt anyone of this site has but when you miss a 27 issue run then tell me you don't have to read it because you can get the info elsewhere when you clearly cant your logic is flawed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B]So most blitz instances are now invalid because the guy who got blitzed hasn't recovered from the first blow? 😛You can't deny his superior punching speed in that fight.]
Yeah I won't deny his impressive speed against thugs....LOL. But this is BP were talking about here. Hell that same flashy hand speed he displayed under water....LOL. As BP avoided there. But against that doesn't display superior speed against someone like BP. Who was fast enough to punch him.
Fast enough to duck under his blood lusted IF tech.
Fast enough to block his incoming kick with his arm.
Fast enough to grab a dumpster barell and place it over the head of Danny.
Fast enough to put tech on Danny's head and get away.
If anything there were portrayed as BP being slightly faster. Yes Danny finally caught him in the end. But eh. You got to look at the whole fight.
Hell BP was so fast Danny had to get in a car and chase after him in a fuggin car........LOL.
IF can take more holding back punches from Cap than the other way round.Lasers job uhuh
And you know this how? Hell Cap has one shotted guys like Batroc to even guys like the Black Tarantula.
Lasers job.....please. Cap has the better speed feats. Buy your same logic I'll say bullets job or Danny's impressive fletchete feats...I'll use your logic and say fletchetes job. Bottom line Cap's speed feats are better.
Again, Danny wasn't in his right mind. So BP not only had the agility advantage, but skill as well.Won't shred apart, but won't save him forever. Danny can hit the shield on purpose and send Cap flying 😛
Prove Danny wasn't using skill. The guy was thinking smart. Using impressive displays of the IF tech in the water and out. Using impressive kicks, one that helped set up the IF attack. Hell the guy was smart enough to use a friggin car and try to do a set up with it. Danny wasn't just brawling.
Yeah he can send Cap flying. But last I checked it didn't phase Cap much as Danny stated(what is the man made out of). It didn't bother Cap at all. Plus Cap will eventually get Danny first with his shield hit, since he has better speed feats. Cap finds the KO first 🙂
You're taking that "burned hands" feat way too literally.
Wha? Cap's Nazis enemies noticed the burns were healing on the fly guy.
Plus he healed a bullet to the head in 12 minutes. Literal nothing its what happened.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Really bad memory? because what I saw you say is that you don't have to read those specific issues that you can get all the information that you need form his respect thread and and a couple of sites that summarize his entire history in a couple of paragraphs and don't give specifics on nearly any of his fights.Of course you don't care to argue the point you don't have one to argue.
[B]Lets take another piece of summation from Marvel.com now.
Quan forced Danny to lead him and his army through the gateway, but once on the other side, they were greeted by Davos and a high powered rifle. Lei Kung sent his son to kill Quan Yaozu, if he still lived, because the Thunderer feared what would happen if Quan returned to his former home. Danny refused to take Quan's life and fought to save him instead. The selfless act made Yaozu rethink his position, and he agreed to speak with Lei Kung peacefully
Here we have an extremely weakened Danny shot in the hand and still showing the ability to hold his own against Davos.It's not in the respect thread and this description is all they gave you about the fight
"Danny refused to take Quan's life and fought to save him instead"
Tell me how many punches Danny threw how many Davos threw they didnt tell you that Danny got shot in that description.Hell I could tell you that Danny peed in the snow made a snow ball hit Davos with it and you could not tell me I am wrong BECAUSE YOU DIDNT READ THE DAMN COMIC.
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that you have to read every comic to debate a character I have not and I doubt anyone of this site has but when you miss a 27 issue run then tell me you don't have to read it because you can get the info elsewhere when you clearly cant your logic is flawed. [/B]
Are you still on this? Sorry but my logic is fine and you are desperately reaching for a point to prove. You don't have one... Now focas.. I have other titles like New Avengers and the current Fear Itself. Whatever I don't have I either buy later or not. But you don't have to read those 27 issues to learn his new abilities. And that you fail to understand. I can find info on his powers, look at scans and see IF in action in other titles. So you are wrong.. This has nothing to do with the fight. Now lets move along.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Are you still on this? Sorry but my logic is fine and you are desperately reaching for a point to prove. You don't have one... Now focas.. I have other titles like New Avengers and the current Fear Itself. Whatever I don't have I either buy later or not. But you don't have to read those 27 issues to learn his new abilities. And that you fail to understand. I can find info on his powers, look at scans and see IF in action in other titles. So you are wrong.. This has nothing to do with the fight. Now lets move along.
Originally posted by Marvelknightwhat
^ What I'm saying is that Cap was already better then. IF geting more powerful with his Chi amping and control does not mean he is now more skilled in fighting or too much to handle. People fail to understand that Cap has beaten foes who don't require amping to hit with superhuman force.
Originally posted by MarvelknightExcept IF has gotten more skilled in fighting.
^ What I'm saying is that Cap was already better then. IF geting more powerful with his Chi amping and control does not mean he is now more skilled in fighting or too much to handle. People fail to understand that Cap has beaten foes who don't require amping to hit with superhuman force.
If you actually read the comics you'd know.
Anyway:
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
what
Originally posted by Mindset
Except IF has gotten more skilled in fighting.If you actually read the comics you'd know.
Anyway:
So Cap isn't better? These arguments are crazy. I guest you should read comics. Or just learn to read. How many times do I have to say that I read comics?! I may have more than you lol...