Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Except the band was fighting from being used by annihilus and he was owning Richard before it abandoned him for Phyla.
Up until Phyla jacked the bands, there's no reason to believe Annihilus wasn't tapping their power.
Beside the point, though. Richard was outmatched, yes, but even had he faced the same Annihilus that Quasar did, he would have had a better showing. As it is, he faced a more powerful version, making it that much more impressive.
That's debatable. 0 constructs done, 0 shielding done by Annihilus which is the staple of Quasar. He also didn't for power drain straight away. Sure it's impressive that Nova withstood his attack and exploited his weakness but there is no proof he could survive the attack that was done against Quasar.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedHe wouldn't be as cool if he started doing things like say Graviton for example. I guess writers would rather have him speed rushing/bull rushing opponents like 90% of the time. It really is in keeping with his "Human Rocket" moniker...
And really not to downplay Nova's control of gravity but aside from gravimetric pulses and rifts, what exactly does Nova uses it for?He has like zero imagination of what he might be able to do with it.
With the near infinite power source he wields, in theory he should be able to do some crazy things with gravity control. He has exhibited different gravity manipulation feats other than his usual tactics..
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
And really not to downplay Nova's control of gravity but aside from gravimetric pulses and rifts, what exactly does Nova uses it for?He has like zero imagination of what he might be able to do with it.
He's added weight to objects, used it to restrain tangible and intangible beings, used it to short out mystic communication, used it to protect and transport non flyers across interstellar distances etc. Not sure what more that you're looking for exactly. We're talking GRAVITY here. Not the power cosmic.
And that's without going into his other abilities.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
That's debatable. 0 constructs done, 0 shielding done by Annihilus which is the staple of Quasar. He also didn't for power drain straight away. Sure it's impressive that Nova withstood his attack and exploited his weakness but there is no proof he could survive the attack that was done against Quasar.
Except on panel he did survive the exact same attack that the bug used on Quasar, the difference being that Richie turned it to his advantage. Wendell didn't.
After all, in Annihilus' opinion the quantum power was only an appetizer to the main course. Nova's gravimetric power.
Originally posted by zopzop
Do you want me to post the scan of Gladiator crushing Quasar's arm through his quantum shield and threatening to rip it off if he attempted to BFR him into the Quantum Zone?Or the time 4 Shi'ar Imperial Guard (ranging from street level to low meta) broke through Quasar's quantum dome?
Or the time another Shi'ar guardsman, Neutron, was making a fool of both Quasar AND Her?
Quasar has nice highs : the Watcher fight, the Galactus eye blast (need context to that one though), and the Infinity War dome but he has horrendous lows. His "average" loses to Nova Prime (especially since his Q-bands have no direct control over gravity like they do the EM spectrum).
so, highball one, lowball another?? lol
his 'average' is at least mid herald. his 'average' is tackling phoenix rachel and mordred, battling evenly against masterson thor (and don't go lowballing him too, please.....) defeating death urge, beating quantum (one of your shi'ar imperials), beating creel, stalemating/getting the better of ss, and containing ego (which ss himself failed to do). those are 'typical' showings.
so, go ahead and name some of nova's 'average showings'. cuz nova may have had a shining moment in annihilation, but--again-- (this seems to be a theme with you lately....) one good showing does not wipe out another character's history, nor does it mean that character is always shown at that level. i've seen precious little in the way of feats that come close to comparing with quasar in this thread, other than the annihilation stuff--which happened quite a while ago now, btw..... and...who cares if he controls gravity?? wth? he's ALREADY borrowed nova's power, so that's not even an issue. he can amp to cl100 himself with constructs, his shields will def be effective (unless, you know, you lowball them....) and his blasting power is plenty enough (he's absorbed and contained a friggin STAR!). factor in the idea that he's used nova's powers already and i don't see how some are so clear-cut about this fight. at all.
so, again, what has nova done to approach quasar's very consistent and very deep record?
Originally posted by leonidas
well, to name a couple of his better feats he's drained and controlled the energy from a star (a feat even ss couldn't manage very well), he's also battled ss evenly (and i think was actually slightly ahead in the fight), replicated the energy of the soul gem (i think it was the soul gem. if not it was one of the others....) defeated the abstract anomaly, (very briefly) stalemated galactus and defeated a watcher. his battle against death urge was also a classic. his shields are pretty legendary as is his energy absorption. not sure if nova could return from a quantum jump either. classic wendall had some pretty awesome feats in the days of his series. i think he became a little...lessened in the days before he died, but like i said, earlier on he was a beast.so, what has nova done to match that? (there are scans for all the above, i'm just REALLY lazy....)
Originally posted by leonidas
his 'average' is at least mid herald. his 'average' is tackling phoenix rachel and mordred, battling evenly against masterson thor (and don't go lowballing him too, please.....) defeating death urge, beating quantum (one of your shi'ar imperials), beating creel, stalemating/getting the better of ss, and containing ego (which ss himself failed to do). those are 'typical' showings.
so, go ahead and name some of nova's 'average showings'. cuz nova may have had a shining moment in annihilation, but--again-- (this seems to be a theme with you lately....) one good showing does not wipe out another character's history, nor does it mean that character is always shown at that level. i've seen precious little in the way of feats that come close to comparing with quasar in this thread, other than the annihilation stuff--which happened quite a while ago now, btw..... and...who cares if he controls gravity?? wth? he's ALREADY borrowed nova's power, so that's not even an issue. he can amp to cl100 himself with constructs, his shields will def be effective (unless, you know, you lowball them....) and his blasting power is plenty enough (he's absorbed and contained a friggin STAR!). factor in the idea that he's used nova's powers already and i don't see how some are so clear-cut about this fight. at all.so, again, what has nova done to approach quasar's very consistent and very deep record?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
When did he beat a watcher? I'm pretty sure he knocked him down which is still quite a feat, but there should be some context behind that. Then again I could be wrong.
no real context that i recall, other than maybe a pi$$ poor performance from that particular watcher. i thought for sure the scans would be posted somewhere but i can't find them which means i guess i'll have to scrounge them up. i think q had the watcher on his knees. the only real context i guess is he had broken his oath iirc. but that doesn't diminish his power in anyway.
Originally posted by leonidas
no real context that i recall, other than maybe a pi$$ poor performance from that particular watcher. i thought for sure the scans would be posted somewhere but i can't find them which means i guess i'll have to scrounge them up. i think q had the watcher on his knees. the only real context i guess is he had broken his oath iirc. but that doesn't diminish his power in anyway.
Originally posted by zopzopYeah let's see about this "average" :
a) Rachel Phoenix was mind controlled by Mordred and fighting like a moron. This same Phoenix host was ONE SHOTTED by Thor.
b) He needed Exacilbur to save him from Mordred or did you forget when he had Quasar dead to rights imprisoned within the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak until Captain Britain broke him free?
c) Anyone who is not suicidal can "defeat" Deathurge. Hyperion/Whizzer/Doc Spectrum made a fool of him
d) Quantum isn't a member of the Imperial Guard. And Quasar beat him via an exploit that won't work vs Nova
e) He didn't beat Creel either. He had to make him implode because he was going to explode anyway since he was unworthy of the Quanum Gems he mimicked, Quasar just wanted to minimize the damage
f) he couldn't do anything vs Surfer and admitted no matter how much PC he drained from Surfer he'd always have enough to "knock me for a loop"
g) Masterson Thor had Quasar dead to rights when he caused that shock that broke him free of Enchantress' spell, if he wanted to press his attack, Quasar would have been done for.When did Quasar absorb/contain a star? You can't be referring to the "Journey into Mystery" arc with Stranger and the suicidal Watchers because he did no such thing. He basically created a solar flare by allowing some of the star's energy to flow through the Quantum Bands. [/B]
so, more lowballing? excellent. and not a single nova feat i see? anywho, that same phoenix was STILL as powerful as she normally was (you know, hurling moons, slaughtering heralds--it's fun to only pick certain showings)--and mordred was so powerful he was CONTROLLING her and he still beat them. and?
strange himself has commented on deathurge's power. scans of deathurge getting beaten by the squadron? all THREE of them.... how many quasars did it take btw?
i swore quantum was an imperial guardsmen--no matter. he was tough as hell and how did q win? by manipulation his probability field. THAT's versatility.
he didn't beat creel wut?? he beat creel the same way everyone does--because creel is an idiot. he became overloaded by the q-bands. battle with ss wasn't finished. funny how you don't tell anyone ss couldn't do jack to him either. with wendell constantly draining his power, i wonder how long he could have continued?
and again, wtf are you talking about with masterson?? he SAID he was holding back the whole time and was still smacking masterson around. he was just getting SERIOUS when the feedback event happened. lowballing and lying? tsk.
and one more time: wtf are you talking about a 'solar flare'??
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-1892080/
http://imageshack.us/f/838/1835076channelingenergy.jpg/
it was the energy of a star. he didn't create any flare....
but please, keep lowballing, maybe sh!t up and picking away at quasar's feats instead of providing something more than one-off nova feats. nice job countering the fact that he's already borrowed nova's powers, absorbed ego and basically collected feats that dwarf anything nova has done. you're REALLY helping make your case.... 😉
quasar wins this, unless someone can FINALLY supply me with some proof that even APPROACHES these feats from quasar. one lesser showing doesn't take away his wealth of high-end feats.
Originally posted by zopzop
He was indeed on his knees :
But Watchers are notorious scrubs. Galactus' "Herald My Rage" blast killed one but didn't destroy Thanos' corpse or kill Nova or Annihilus.
seriously, now you're lowballing a watcher? if a mod happens to drop in, i wouldn't be shocked to see a warning. this is getting ridiculous. 😂
the act is getting old zop. you should step away, and come back when you (a) can stop high/lowballing (b) have actual FEATS FOR THE GUY YOU'RE SUPPORTING HERE!! if you can't produce said feats, admit you're wrong and move along. if you still think nova wins, well, good for you. but don't try and tell me it's based on anything besides hate or unsupported opinion, because it sure isn't an opinion based on on-panel feats and history.
Originally posted by leonidas
seriously, now you're lowballing a watcher? if a mod happens to drop in, i wouldn't be shocked to see a warning. this is getting ridiculous. 😂the act is getting old zop. you should step away, and come back when you (a) can stop high/lowballing (b) have actual [b]FEATS FOR THE GUY YOU'RE SUPPORTING HERE!!
if you can't produce said feats, admit you're wrong and move along. if you still think nova wins, well, good for you. but don't try and tell me it's based on anything besides hate or unsupported opinion, because it sure isn't an opinion based on on-panel feats and history. [/B]
Originally posted by leonidas
no real context that i recall, other than maybe a pi$$ poor performance from that particular watcher. i thought for sure the scans would be posted somewhere but i can't find them which means i guess i'll have to scrounge them up. i think q had the watcher on his knees. the only real context i guess is he had broken his oath iirc. but that doesn't diminish his power in anyway.
You made me pull out my Quasars.. 😠
The watcher just wanted to shoo him away. Pretty good showing for Quase since he tanked an amped punch that sent him reeling and was able to temporarily mess with the watcher's energy sig. He was also able to knock him down momentarily.
The Stranger barged in and both zapped the watcher. The watcher was claiming that he could have beat each one separately before killing himself all the while referring to the Stranger as the main threat.
Originally posted by leonidas
so, more lowballing? excellent. and not a single nova feat i see? anywho, that same phoenix was STILL as powerful as she normally was (you know, hurling moons, slaughtering heralds--it's fun to only pick certain showings)--and mordred was so powerful he was CONTROLLING her and he still beat them. and?
strange himself has commented on deathurge's power. scans of deathurge getting beaten by the squadron? all THREE of them.... how many quasars did it take btw?
Quasar beat him when he stopped becoming suicidal. Deathurge even states this "nor can I be harmed by someone who wishes to die."
i swore quantum was an imperial guardsmen--no matter. he was tough as hell and how did q win? by manipulation his probability field. THAT's versatility.
he didn't beat creel wut?? he beat creel the same way everyone does--because creel is an idiot. he became overloaded by the q-bands.
battle with ss wasn't finished. funny how you don't tell anyone ss couldn't do jack to him either. with wendell constantly draining his power, i wonder how long he could have continued?
and again, wtf are you talking about with masterson?? he SAID he was holding back the whole time and was still smacking masterson around. he was just getting SERIOUS when the feedback event happened. lowballing and lying? tsk.
and one more time: wtf are you talking about a 'solar flare'??http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-1892080/
http://imageshack.us/f/838/1835076channelingenergy.jpg/
it was the energy of a star. he didn't create any flare....
but please, keep lowballing, maybe sh!t up and picking away at quasar's feats instead of providing something more than one-off nova feats. nice job countering the fact that he's already borrowed nova's powers, absorbed ego and basically collected feats that dwarf anything nova has done. you're REALLY helping make your case.... 😉quasar wins this, unless someone can FINALLY supply me with some proof that even APPROACHES these feats from quasar. one lesser showing doesn't take away his wealth of high-end feats.
Nova has his space cheese fearts as well. Absorbed a massive amount of energy from a star (Earth's sun). He's also warped a neutron star just by flying into it at high velocity.
But everyone has their higher end feats/showings and lord knows we don't want to even get into comparing space cheese. What we do know for sure is that Nova and Quasar have had a couple of fights with the same opponents in their history. You guy's arguing for Rider may want to start there...
Surfer:
Gladiator:
Thor:
Supernova:
Annihilus:
Dark Quasar???
There's a few others that I think I'm missing. But those I believe are the highest profile people.
