Originally posted by zopzop
Low balling Watchers? What have they done on panel? I'll wait for you to produce fights and feats for them.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
On paper they are supposed to be way beyond heralds. I think it's their passive nature that makes them susceptible to getting punked once in a while. Quasar tanking an amped punch, knocking one down, and even absorbing it's energy are pretty high feats. Hard to take much away from what he was able to do in that scene.
How do you explain how Nova survived and I believe he even shielded Phyla and the others, yet the Watcher got owned.
Originally posted by zopzop
Then how do you explain a Watcher dying in the Herald My Rage blast but Thanos' corpse was unharmed?How do you explain how Nova survived and I believe he even shielded Phyla and the others, yet the Watcher got owned.
I'm not a watcher expert, so if Leo or someone else can shed some light on what kind of power they wield, lets hear them...
Originally posted by leonidasand one more time: wtf are you talking about a 'solar flare'??
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it was the energy of a star. he didn't create any flare....
Originally posted by ODG
^ What were the dark masses made of?
I'm still unsure as to why Richie said the giant sunspot was "different somehow".
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Originally posted by zopzopSee what I mean? You accuse me of lying but you don't even know what you are talking about. Rachel never hurled moons, she hurled small ASTEROIDS (you can even compare them in size to Necrom's body). Necrom was the one hurling moons. She never slaughtered heralds. The only herald she beat was Nova, the WEAKEST of Galactus' heralds.
lol lowballing. you need me to highball rachel? asteroids or moons, she has retarded feats to match the poor showings she's had. no nova counter. 👆
One flying brick, one speedster, and one energy manipulator. And they didn't even need all three of them. We saw this when Hyperion had to fly ahead to check on Strange, Whizzer and Spectrum had him all under wraps.[quote]no scans, no context, no nova counter. 👆
[quote]Quasar beat him when he stopped becoming suicidal. Deathurge even states this "nor can I be harmed by someone who wishes to die."
and? he resisted him for a prolonged time, then won. no nova counter. 👆
The same guy Hawkeye beat by using a smoke arrow. Luckily for Nova those exploits won't work on him or his power.
lol lowballing. no nova counter. 👆
He was going to die anyway. Since he touched the Q-bands and mimicked them yet was unworthy of the power. Did you forget Quasar saying this? Even if Quasar never lifted a finger against Creel once he touched the Bands and being unworthy of them, he was going to die. Go reread the issue if you don't believe me.
worthy or not q could have done the SAME thing to him by simply force-feeding him the bands. no nova counters. 👆
Surfer actually made him shout out in pain. Quasar did nothing of consequence to Surfer. If the fight continued Surfer could have amped his strength to CL100 levels and humiliated Quasar like Gladiator did.
lol a cry of pain=winning now? q was constantly draining him. ultimately he would have won the fight most likely. how'd nova do again? oh yeah, you likely don't know. and nice lowball. again. thor has to STRAIN to break a small shield. q constructs DO vary depending on a number of factors. no nova counter. 👆
Masterson wasn't exactly going all out either now was he? We saw what happened when he started to put his foot down. The electricity caused a feedback knocking Quasar down and breaking him free of the Enchantress' spell.
lol q was ready to behead masterson, but yeah, masterson was clearly going to win. so q has stalemated thor and ss. nova counter.....?
It says right there on panel what he did : He "allowed the power of a nearby star to FLOW THROUGH the Quantum Bands and RIGHT ON OUT" creating that flare. If he was indeed capable of what you are suggesting he did, he wouldn't have needed Binary's help when the was trying to save the Sun.
lol it's on panel. lowball all you'd like. i'm seriously thinking of reporting you though cuz this is preposterous.
You're the one making sh|t up Leo. Nothing I said was a lie or false. [/B]
lol uh-huh. asteroids/moons. sue me. stop lowballing quasar and start working on showing anyone what nova can do to win this or get the hell out of the thread my friend.
Originally posted by leonidas
lol lowballing. you need me to highball rachel? asteroids or moons, she has retarded feats to match the poor showings she's had. no nova counter. 👆
and? he resisted him for a prolonged time, then won. no nova counter. 👆
lol lowballing. no nova counter. 👆
worthy or not q could have done the SAME thing to him by simply force-feeding him the bands. no nova counters. 👆
lol a cry of pain=winning now? q was constantly draining him. ultimately he would have won the fight most likely. how'd nova do again? oh yeah, you likely don't know. and nice lowball. again. thor has to STRAIN to break a small shield. q constructs DO vary depending on a number of factors. no nova counter. 👆
lol q was ready to behead masterson, but yeah, masterson was clearly going to win. so q has stalemated thor and ss. nova counter.....?
lol it's on panel. lowball all you'd like. i'm seriously thinking of reporting you though cuz this is preposterous.
lol uh-huh. asteroids/moons. sue me. stop lowballing quasar and start working on showing anyone what nova can do to win this or get the hell out of the thread my friend.
Originally posted by zopzopYes, highball Rachel, this should be fun. And there is a HUGE difference between asteroids and MOONS, especially in this regard since the we saw on panel those asteroids were nowhere near the sizes of the MOONS Necrom flung at her.
Dude, Deathurge straight up said that the reason Quasar won was because he stopped being suicidal. It's not anything special to deal with Deathurge. Whizzer and Spectrum were doing it just fine.
But it's true. Hawkeye beat him with a smoke arrow.
MMhmm. But on panel AM was going to explode anyway. So .......
No, cry of pain not equal winning stop putting words in my mouth. Quasar did nothing to Surfer and admitted no matter how much power he drained Surfer still had enough to knock him for a loop. Surfer's attacks caused Quasar pain, Quasar's attacks did NOTHING to Surfer. See the difference?
When Masterson was about to get serious he made a fool of Quasar. Quasar stopped holding back and Masteron electrocuted his ass I'd post the entire fight but what's the point?
Go ahead, report. The Mods can READ what's on panel. Quasar did nothing but allow the power of a nearby star to FLOW THROUGH AND OUT of the Q-Bands. If he did what you were claiming, containing and absorbing the power of a star, he wouldn't have needed Binary's help to save the Sun. Both scenarios occurred during the same writer.
Yeah, I mean what's the difference between 15 foot asteroids (approx) and MOONS. 🙄 It's all the same in Leo's world. Yet you accuse me of lowballing and making sh|t up. [/B]
hmm, maybe i'll do the rachel thing, but it's seriously off-topic here. and listening to you lowball anything that would be shown would be uber annoying to boot.
anyway, i'm glad we have this straightened out--quasar dealt with phoenix/mordred simultaneously, stalemated thor and was in no way ready to lose but was going to behead masterson, stalemated ss for a prolonged length of time, did very well vs a watcher (and celey, watchers DO vary in their levels imo. they have great feats--aaron the rogue and uatu in particular, but it's still a nice feat for wendell), beat quantum via probability field manip, beat creel, beat the abstract ananomaly, matched galactus's eye beams briefly, absorbed and controlled the power of a star, beat death urge, etc.... btw, those are just a few showings. he's got A LOT MORE. he performed these types of feats regularly. he has very few low feats and was very consistently portrayed throughout his series.
and....................i know you've ignored this over and over, in favor of lowballing every quasar feat, but do you plan on actually mentioning, you know, [b]NOVA in any post at some point....? or the fact that q has already used nova's powers? you know, something relevant to YOUR stance that nova wins......?
feel nova wins, i don't care. but don't tell me or anyone it's based on past feats or history. annihilation doesn't detract from all of quasar's previous showings, as much as you like to favor singular feats over whole-scale depictions. i'll simply ignore any more of your posts that don't have something about NOVA in them
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, maybe i'll do the rachel thing, but it's seriously off-topic here. and listening to you lowball anything that would be shown would be uber annoying to boot.
anyway, i'm glad we have this straightened out--quasar dealt with phoenix/mordred simultaneously, stalemated thor and was in no way ready to lose but was going to behead masterson, stalemated ss for a prolonged length of time, did very well vs a watcher (and celey, watchers DO vary in their levels imo. they have great feats--aaron the rogue and uatu in particular, but it's still a nice feat for wendell), beat quantum via probability field manip, beat creel, beat the abstract ananomaly, matched galactus's eye beams briefly, absorbed and controlled the power of a star, beat death urge, etc.... btw, those are just a few showings. he's got A LOT MORE. he performed these types of feats regularly. he has very few low feats and was very consistently portrayed throughout his series.
Yes, list those "great feats" for Aaron and Uatu. Doom with Aaron's power almost KOed himself busting IW's force fields!
Beat abstract Anomaly? You realize he "beat" it by giving up right?
and....................i know you've ignored this over and over, in favor of lowballing every quasar feat, but do you plan on actually mentioning, you know, [b]NOVA in any post at some point....? or the fact that q has already used nova's powers? you know, something relevant to YOUR stance that nova wins......?feel nova wins, i don't care. but don't tell me or anyone it's based on past feats or history. annihilation doesn't detract from all of quasar's previous showings, as much as you like to favor singular feats over whole-scale depictions. i'll simply ignore any more of your posts that don't have something about NOVA in them
Originally posted by leonidas
thanks. 👆not bad. i like rich's a little better, but odg is right. it's similar to a different q feat. i'll see if i can scrounge it up later.
It was Binary who ended up creating a "white hole" which sucked up most of the anti-matter in a few pages. It was stated that she had the powers of the sun making that attempt easier for her than Quasar's...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ure talking bout the time Wendell was sucking up the anti-matter contaminating the sun. He apparently was transferring it into the quantum zone. Epoch warned him that it would take days to finish the deed, but was quite a feat seeing as he had to go inside the sun to accomplish it.It was Binary who ended up creating a "white hole" which sucked up most of the anti-matter in a few pages. It was stated that she had the powers of the sun making that attempt easier for her than Quasar's...
In contrast, Rider actually contained the energies within himself. A phenomenal feat imo.
@Leo, I think lowballing is the worst form of debate here, so I'll try to post Nova scans that at least parallel some of the Quasar showings that you named off. And I'll also try to compare and contrast some of the encounters that they've had with common opponents, which is where I think Nova has a small advantage (if any). Sound fair?
Originally posted by dmills
@Leo, I think lowballing is the worst form of debate here, so I'll try to post Nova scans that at least parallel some of the Quasar showings that you named off. And I'll also try to compare and contrast some of the encounters that they've had with common opponents, which is where I think Nova has a small advantage (if any). Sound fair?
entirely. 👆
ignore zop. if you find some comparable feats i will post scans. i was intending to give a broad-form list of some of the things q has done. it (should) go without saying that context of course comes into play, but i was giving highlights, waiting to see a similar list put forth by someone who was supporting nova.
as i said a long time ago--i'm open to having my mind changed (i'm a new warriors lover from way back) but there hasn't been much posted from the nova side (zop's lowballing aside....) so, yeah, i'd be totally up for a nice informal compare/contrast between the 2. 🙂
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Epoch warned him that it would take days to finish the deed, but was quite a feat seeing as he had to go inside the sun to accomplish it.
Originally posted by zopzop
Here are the scans :1) Quasar realizing how bad the situation is :
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2) Quasar desperate to get Epoch to summon an "omnipotent" to come to Earth's rescue (notice the first person that comes to mind, Infinity. that's the kind of power level he believed was needed to save the Sun from destruction) :
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3) Binary laughing at Quasar's attempt to save the sun, notice how Quasar reacts as soon as she begins setting up her white/black hole :
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4) Continued, look at the before/after pic of the Sun! A) It was COVERED from end to end by the anti-matter sunspots, B) Her power extended END TO END and gobbled it up :
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Again notice Quasar's reaction. This wasn't a "herald" level feat.
Nova's "sun feat" sh|t's all over Quasar's "sun feat" here.
