Quasar vs Nova

Originally posted by dmills
I wouldn't trip about it too much. It was made pretty clear that Annihilus feasted on Quasar's surface energies. He stated that his bands would give him even more power. So the whole conduit into the infinite quantum power schtick is in tact. He can only channel so much at one time.

This happens in comics all the time. I was annoyed when Annihilus was seemingly draining Nova because people more powerful then him have failed due to the backlash of trying to forcibly remove the Nova force. It's supposed to wreck a planet according to Supernova. The Sphinx also tried twice and failed due to the energy backlash. Then along comes the inferior Annihilus and apparently he's doing it. Mark Gruenwald also had some random vampiric leech dude siphon Nova's energy almost leaving him in a coma during the whole Starblasters arc lulz. Nova fans were like "Argh! that's not supposed to be possible!". But no writer is beholden to any earlier interpretation of another writer unfortunately. KM even showed me a scan of Nova telling Northstar that "he isn't fast enough" to keep up with something that was moving at hypersonic speeds lol! And then Northstar is all like "well I am fast enough. Here you can ride along in my slipstream" lol! Of course it was complete PIS, poor characterization and lack of basic character knowledge by whomever the writer was, but it's canon nonetheless smh.

lol well put. and i know that annihilation was intended to be nova's moment. still, it is a bit annoying though when--as you said--beings more powerful, with greater history, failed to do what annihilus did. that was really my only problem with annihilation--annihlius! lol i've always thought he was a crappy villain, and the ccr was never really some uber-super weapon imo. lots of awesome moments in annihilation, i just didn't really feel threatened by the bug's attempt to take over the mu.

meant to ask--was there ever a good, explicit explanation for just what the nova force is? where the power comes from or taps into? i can't remember reading one off-hand.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol well put. and i know that annihilation was intended to be nova's moment. still, it is a bit annoying though when--as you said--beings more powerful, with greater history, failed to do what annihilus did. that was really my only problem with annihilation--annihlius! lol i've always thought he was a crappy villain, and the ccr was never really some uber-super weapon imo. lots of awesome moments in annihilation, i just didn't really feel threatened by the bug's attempt to take over the mu.

meant to ask--was there ever a good, explicit explanation for just what the nova force is? where the power comes from or taps into? i can't remember reading one off-hand.

No. DnA were going to take a crack at it, but their run got canceled before they really got a chance to delve into it.

Historically the interpretations seem to go as follows,

Classic Years (Marv Wolfman's run, Fantastic 4 appearances, Rom 24 , Avengers 302-305) It seemed to be some kind of quasi mystic/psionic force. The Worldmind was even portrayed as a computer with millions of organic Xandarian brains attached to it. Nova had all kinds of weird powers that were never fully explored due to Wolfman's run being cut short.

New warriors years pre first amp- We saw the introduction of the whole concept of gravimetric power.

New Warriors years post first amp, pre annihilation- They got away from the whole quasi mystic/psionic angle. The WM was still pretty much portrayed as a supercomputer but with no personality traits at all.

Post Annihilation, DnA run- Really played up the gravity angle. During an interview after their run was canceled they hinted at it being a form of Zero point energy.

I haven't read a single issue of Loeb's current run but from the scans I've seen posted these so-called "Black Nova's" seem to have a different power source altogether. Maybe someone who has been reading NINO (Nova in name only) can elaborate.

Originally posted by dmills
No. DnA were going to take a crack at it, but their run got canceled before they really got a chance to delve into it.

Historically the interpretations seem to go as follows,

Classic Years (Marv Wolfman's run, Fantastic 4 appearances, Rom 24 , Avengers 302-305) It seemed to be some kind of quasi mystic/psionic force. The Worldmind was even portrayed as a computer with millions of organic Xandarian brains attached to it. Nova had all kinds of weird powers that were never fully explored due to Wolfman's run being cut short.

New warriors years pre first amp- We saw the introduction of the whole concept of gravimetric power.

New Warriors years post first amp, pre annihilation- They got away from the whole quasi mystic/psionic angle. The WM was still pretty much portrayed as a supercomputer but with no personality traits at all.

Post Annihilation, DnA run- Really played up the gravity angle. During an interview after their run was canceled they hinted at it being a form of Zero point energy.

I haven't read a single issue of Loeb's current run but from the scans I've seen posted these so-called "Black Nova's" seem to have a different power source altogether. Maybe someone who has been reading NINO (Nova in name only) can elaborate.

Maybe.. It definitely is gravimetric based. What ever that is.. Only time will tell.

hmr. too bad. if you have a definitive source you could have another way to gauge relative powers. anyway, a couple more scans. this one vs the abstract anomaly in the dimension of manifestation. not a classic style battle exactly, but still a pretty cool victory in the end and some cool armor:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-1.jpg.html

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they'd battled previously but after a brief engagement quasar just quantum jumped away. just another example though of quasar's standing as a cosmic hero. he was asked to contact ETERNITY by captain america. of course he was also given the task of using the UN against magus and his IG. that was one of the things i liked about him--he was always in the heart of the big stuff--obviously the COSMOS IN COLLISION arc where he became INFINITY's avatar and defeated maelstrom who was OBLIVION's avatar was a perfect example of that. i'll post the famous battle against ss shortly.

okay, so here's the ss/quasar 'battle'. they only really go at it for a short time but quaze more than holds his own. i wonder had it gone on how things would have ended up. regardless, i liked the parallel drawn but lt--quaze is eon's herald, ss, galactus's. puts quasar's station and power level in perspective imo, and he certainly seemed to be a match for old norrin. not sure nova did as well. even giving up the fight it took some time for ss to take him out and he was fighting for the whole UNIVERSE. pretty well motivated i'd say....

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the starbrand was a BEAST in that arc. ereshkigal effortlessly altered order and chaos. would have been interesting to see her tackle lt. also implied there was the idea that the new universe wasn't just another universe, but a whole other multiverse where lt wasn't supreme--he couldn't even possess the starbrand. more cool ideas from the series. i liked the new universe tie in. too bad they mucked up the current version of the starbrand so badly. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
the starbrand was a BEAST in that arc. ereshkigal effortlessly altered order and chaos. would have been interesting to see her tackle lt. also implied there was the idea that the new universe wasn't just another universe, but a whole other multiverse where lt wasn't supreme--he couldn't even possess the starbrand. more cool ideas from the series. i liked the new universe tie in. too bad they mucked up the current version of the starbrand so badly. 😬

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not trying to lowball, but i thought it was funny that you mentioned the northstar stuff. i agree, pretty lame/pis characterization, but as bad as the speed thing was the hulk saving the day was even better! lol

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lol

relative hierarchy was NOT good to nova in that instance..... lol he actually showed up LATE to the starblast kick off so was left behind trying to deal with the "little present" the starblasters just decided to leave behind. yeah, THAT arc was a kick in nova's teeth. lol oh well, all heroes go through sh!t like that at some point in their careers.....

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in fairness to nova though, he did have a better showing against gladiator than quasar did. nova actually did very well for himself in that first issue. quasar didn't have much of a 'battle', but i def think that was one of nova's better showings. 👆

anyway, i think that's about all the time i'm gonna invest in this little discussion. again, imo, based on feats, quasar, at his best, in his more 'classic' days, takes this in what would likely be an excellent battle. he achieved a high status imo, and was a first-stringer for many years, tackling and beating or having some great showings against some pretty uber guys. he was also at the heart or took a large role in many of the great cosmic arcs back in the day. that he lost some luster after the cancellation of his series was unfortunate, but, it happens. feel free to put up some more nova stuff though. i have the second volume, and the whole run of NW, but it's after that that i lost track of him. if not, no worries. good discussion though.

Good stuff. Maybe I'll post a few more things when I get a chance. The pesky thing called work and fatherhood always seem to get in the way though lol.

Oh almost forgot. That scan where Quasar caused a 100 megaton explosion in-between Thanos' ears. That was a sweet demonstration of power set right there. Not many heralds would stand up to such an attack straight up imo. Hell, I think even Black Adam was dropped by a football stadium sized aperture being opened in his head.

Originally posted by dmills
Good stuff. Maybe I'll post a few more things when I get a chance. The pesky thing called work and fatherhood always seem to get in the way though lol.

Oh almost forgot. That scan where Quasar caused a 100 megaton explosion in-between Thanos' ears. That was a sweet demonstration of power set right there. Not many heralds would stand up to such an attack straight up imo. Hell, I think even Black Adam was dropped by a football stadium sized aperture being opened in his head.

yeah, that was a massive attack. 👆 and i get the fatherhood thing too well. glad i'm not the only one in the forum with kids. lol in fact, gonna put mine to bed right now. later.

Originally posted by zopzop
Mmmhmmm. That's why I posted all the scans. Quasar's feeb PORTAL, because that's all he was doing was BFRing it, would have failed and the Sun would have died if not for the 'omnipotent' pitching in to save the day. This "feat" is fail compared to Nova's.

Yeah, so no examples of iron doing ANYTHING to the Crimson Bands that plus Quasar's own admission that he was almost done for by a "two bit wizard" pretty much confirms he was phucked.

Plenty of examples of iron affecting magic in comics. That wealth of evidence doesn't confirm that Quasar had no chance. It's the opposite. But I will be happy to throw your hypocrisy in your face in the next dressing down discussion I engage you in.

Originally posted by Ambient
My 2 cent..

I think the art was pretty much conclusive intent on the plot. You have to look at the scale of the impending disaster; "the antimatter dwarf and swallowing the sun." The energy Quasar absorbs as depicted in art was much, much, much more than Nova's ala similar feat.

It needed more than ridding the sun of the antimatter to put it back to norm levels which was outside Quasar scope of power given the time envolve, entrance Binary but what is quite clear is the energy absorbs by Quasar > Nova. This is pretty what is being compared in this feat.

My 2 cents 😄

Nice, enjoyed reading this. Lol

Quasar wins.