Quasar vs Nova

Started by JakeTheBank9 pages

lol

Quasar.

LOL damn.

Quasar looked to be responsible for a larger overall area then Nova was. However, and this is obviously going to be a contentious point, it doesn't give us the details (at least in the scans I've seen) with regard to how much he actually managed to effectively remove on his own. What it does indicate very clearly is that Binary did the heavy lifting and was responsible for effectively removing the bulk of the anti matter.

One thing that is also clear, is that the sheer depiction of scale (the size of the star juxtaposed in relation to Quasar and Binary) in the Quasar scans is far superior to the scale depicted in the Nova scans. In sheer art depiction, the Nova dark matter/energy looks to be around what, 30% the size of the surface of the sun? The area Quasar was in was clearly more then that. But again, we don't know how much he actually managed to siphon off.

That said, ODG has made me take a fresh look at the feats. So much attention was given towards what Binary was doing that it kind of leads you to overlook what Wendell was doing. And like I said, he was dealing with a big ass area of energy.

Edit: Alright, The Heat are done whooping the Pacers. Phuck I hate Lebron James.

Wasn't 30% IMO. Otherwise, it would cover the majority of the what appears to be less than HALF of the sun's actual SHOWN surface (bear in mind art can only really show at most half of a surface) and 30% of even the half w/c is the shown surface would be at least a quarter of that. Cut the shown surface into 4 parts, IMO it doesn't even covers half of a quarter. More like a quarter of a quarter of half or at most 3-5% of the total surface.

Originally posted by ODG
Absorbing a sunspot's worth of random dark matter and expelling it into space does not overshadow forcibly funneling enough anti-matter to nearly cover half the Sun's surface into another dimension. Don't go full retard. You were being completely moronic when you tried to dismiss Quasar's feat. That blew up spectacularly in your face. Don't further descend into full-blown pants-on-head retardation by pretending Nova's feat is incomparably better. You don't have much credibility or dignity to salvage to begin with in this thread.

I could care less what you think. Fact is, Quasar's feeble portal wasn't going to save the Sun. He couldn't even get simple BFRing right. Nova ABSORBED a sunspots worth of dark matter into himself.

Typical zopzop. Take a retardedly uneducated stance, use retarded logic to salvage it, misrepresent what was said when shown how increasingly retarded your logic gets when you stick to it. I educated you on iron's effects on magic throughout comic fiction. Because you apparently were completely unaware of it. So I told you that arguing Quasar could never break out of them that way was completely ignorant of comic books.

Then you decided to basically argue that lightning won't work on Mera, Magik's Soulsword can't do sh1t against Doctor Voodoo and heat rays won't hurt Killer Frost. Because there's no direct on-panel proof they actually did. Then you basically just lie and pretend that I argued iron would always work.

Just your typical, standard zopzop flameout. 👆


You stated that iron would do something to the Crimson Bands, I asked for proof you started to dance around the issue then resulted to insults. Typical of you. I'm still waiting for any on panel proof that Iron would do anything to the bands.

Your Magik example is fail because, Magik's Soulsword is powerful but even it's not all powerful. It put the fear of God into Mephisto, yet failed to break through Forge's spirit armor :

Iron isn't kryptonite to all magic otherwise Loki and Dr. Strange would have their sh|t ruined by anyone wielding simple iron items.

@dmills

But again, we don't know how much he actually managed to siphon off.

Whatever he was siphoning was miniscule in terms of what Binary was. Her portal was so much more powerful than his, he thought an "omnipotent" was pitching in to save the Sun. Think about that for a second. Just by the sheer size/power of Binary's portal he thought a cosmic being was acting as the Sun's savior.

Originally posted by zopzop
I could care less what you think. Fact is, Quasar's feeble portal wasn't going to save the Sun. He couldn't even get simple BFRing right. Nova ABSORBED a sunspots worth of dark matter into himself.

You stated that iron would do something to the Crimson Bands, I asked for proof you started to dance around the issue then resulted to insults. Typical of you. I'm still waiting for any on panel proof that Iron would do anything to the bands.

He did get simple BFRing right. He successfully BFR'ed enough anti-matter to blanket nearly half the Sun's surface. Way to go phail, zopzop.

No, I said iron has a rich history of affecting magic. Because you apparently had no idea. And that arguing Quasar would definitely fail ignores this concept of iron affecting magic.

Originally posted by zopzop
Your Magik example is fail because, Magik's Soulsword is powerful but even it's not all powerful. It put the fear of God into Mephisto, yet failed to break through Forge's spirit armor :

http://s7.postimg.org/502kaim3b/689162_magik17.jpg

Oh, so I guess you were talking straight out of your own a$$ all over KMC threads about Magik:
Originally posted by zopzop
She'd own Harold [Jaekellsson] with her Soul Sword.
Originally posted by zopzop
So I imagine a determined Magik II would beat Loki every time, that Soul Sword is magic being kryptonite.
Originally posted by zopzop
Magik easily [vs Snowbird].

👆

Originally posted by zopzop
If we are allowed to use Magik II's feats using her SS then even outside Limbo, Thor better watch out.
Show proof that the Soulsword can affect a runestone-cursed Viking zombie, or Asgardian magicks wielded by Loki, or an Inuit goddess-empowered Snowbird, or Odinforce-empowered artifacts like Mjolnir. We'll wait, zopzop. We'll wait for the proof.

Did you really think I mentioned Magik's Soulsword by accident? You do realize that when you end up trolling us with your retarded arguments, that you will inevitably end up trolling yourself because you (yes, even you), aren't full zoptard 100% of the time and will occasionally deign to argue constructively? Fine work here, zopzop. You managed to, unwittingly, argue against yourself. Again. One pauses to wonder whether or not having a taste of your own trolling thrown at your face will change how you approach things.

Based on our past discussions, I'd call that a sucker's bet. More's the pity.

@Zop. While true I think the overall point is that Quasar was responsible for what clearly appears to be a larger surface area overall than what Nova was handling. So the question then becomes could Nova at that point of his career have done any better in the same circumstance as Quasar, and given the fact that he taxed himself removing what appears to be a smaller portion, the obvious answer is no. So at the end of the day you can't really say that it shits on Quasar's feat. Unless of course you're giving him extra brownies for the act of absorbing it into himself.

Edit: This thread/argument drives home the point about how art depiction can make a huge difference in how feats are interpreted.

Originally posted by ODG
He did get simple BFRing right. He successfully BFR'ed enough anti-matter to blanket nearly half the Sun's surface. Way to go phail, zopzop.

Half? Then how do you explain Quasar himself stating that Binary's portal was FAR more powerful if he was siphoning half the Sun's surface worth?

No, I said iron has a rich history of affecting magic. Because you apparently had no idea. And that arguing Quasar would definitely fail ignores this concept of iron affecting magic. Oh, so I guess you were talking straight out of your own a$$ all over KMC threads about Magik: Show proof that the Soulsword can affect a runestone-cursed Viking zombie, or Asgardian magicks wielded by Loki, or an Inuit goddess-empowered Snowbird, or Odinforce-empowered artifacts like Mjolnir. We'll wait, zopzop. We'll wait for the proof.

Did you really think I mentioned Magik's Soulsword by accident? You do realize that when you end up trolling us with your retarded arguments, that you will inevitably end up trolling yourself because you (yes, even you), aren't full zoptard 100% of the time and will occasionally deign to argue constructively? Fine work here, zopzop. You managed to, unwittingly, argue against yourself. Again. One pauses to wonder whether or not having a taste of your own trolling thrown at your face will change how you approach things.

Based on our past discussions, I'd call that a sucker's bet. More's the pity.


Yeah, I'll get back to you with proof that her Soulsword can affect the beings you mentioned in my quotes as soon as you find proof that iron is magic kryptonite universally and can affect the Crimson Bands. I'll wait.

@ dmills
The reason they are clinging to that one feat is because Quasar has a spotty history dealing with certain opponents. Take for example Gladiator. BOth he and Nova faced off vs him. Nova won a close fight (if i recall correctly) but Quasar was humiliated.

We can continue from there comparing/contrasting shared foes.

Originally posted by zopzop
Half? Then how do you explain Quasar himself stating that Binary's portal was FAR more powerful if he was siphoning half the Sun's surface worth?
Nearly half. On-panel. As you can clearly see from the art. You completely bungled the scans by arguing Binary basically did it on her own. I would explain Quasar's statement as acknowledging that Binary didn't just suck in more than half the anti-matter, but actually stopped it's growing proliferation per Quasar's observations. Which Quasar couldn't do, given how far advanced its proliferation was, per his thoughts.

Y'know, from your own phucking scans.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, I'll get back to you with proof that her Soulsword can affect the beings you mentioned in my quotes as soon as you find proof that iron is magic kryptonite universally and can affect the Crimson Bands. I'll wait.
Go ahead. Show me Magik's Soulsword wrecking rune-stone curse magic, Asgardian black magic (which includes Norn magic, Light Elf magic, runes magic, etc.), Inuit pantheon magic and Odinforce-empowered artifacts like Mjolnir. Show me proof that you weren't talking COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR ASS, BASED ON YOUR OWN STANDARDS OF EVIDENCE that you tried to force here in this thread to salvage a witless observation (i.e., Quasar definitely would have failed to free himself).

We'll wait for the proof, zopzop.

Originally posted by ODG
Nearly half. On-panel. You completely bungled the scans by arguing Binary basically did it on her own. I would explain Quasar's statement as acknowledging that Binary didn't just suck in more than half the anti-matter, but actually stopped it's growing proliferation. Which Quasar couldn't do, given how far advanced its proliferation was.

Sorry not buying it, otherwise he wouldn't be commenting on how vastly more powerful her portal was if she was only siphoning a little more than half. He actually thought she was an "omnipotent" based on the strength of her portal.

Go ahead. Show me Magik's Soulsword wrecking rune-stone curse magic, Asgardian black magic (which includes Norn magic, Light Elf magic, runes magic, etc.), Inuit pantheon magic and Odinforce-empowered artifacts like Mjolnir. Show me proof that you weren't talking COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR ASS, BASED ON YOUR OWN STANDARDS OF EVIDENCE that you tried to force here in this thread to salvage a witless observation (i.e., Quasar definitely would have failed to free himself).

We'll wait for the proof, zopzop.


Doesn't work that way. You came into this thread claiming that Quasar's "iron plan" would have a chance of freeing him from the Crimson Bands because iron sometimes affects magic in comics (has Loki or Strange's spells ever been affected by iron?). I asked for proof of this ever happening to the Crimson Bands.

I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sorry not buying it, otherwise he wouldn't be commenting on how vastly more powerful her portal was if she was only siphoning a little more than half. He actually thought she was an "omnipotent" based on the strength of her portal.
You're not buying what is explicitly depicted and explained on-panel? I'm not surprised, zopzop. Not surprised at all. It isn't even just words, zopzop. There's actual pictures there too for your benefit.
Originally posted by zopzop
Doesn't work that way.
That's exactly how it works. When I perfectly demonstrate what a witless hypocrite you are, that completely puts you on the defensive.

Your standards of proof are at issue here. You have to prove you weren't talking completely out of your a$$ in those multiple threads and justify this cuntish standard of proof that you're forcing on this conversation.

Hop to it, flopflop. We'll wait.

Originally posted by ODG
You're not buying what is explicitly depicted and explained on-panel? I'm not surprised, zopzop. Not surprised at all. It isn't even just words, zopzop. There's actual pictures there too for your benefit.

Pictures are nice but I'll take Quasar's word for it. He straight up stated Binary's portal was "Far more powerfuL' than his own so much so that he thought a God was pitching in to help save the Sun. How could a "far more powerful" portal only be pulling in slightly more than half of Quasar's feeble gate? Binary even stated what Quasar was doing was "nowhere near enough".

That's exactly how it works. When I perfectly demonstrate what a witless hypocrite you are, that completely puts you on the defensive.

Your standards of proof are at issue here. You have to prove you weren't talking completely out of your a$$ in those multiple threads and justify this cuntish standard of proof that you're forcing on this conversation.

Hop to it, flopflop. We'll wait.


You first. You came in here with stating Quasar's plan would have worked to free himself from the CB because "iron affects magic". I asked for proof of this ever happening to the CB (also if iron was the magic kryptonite you claim it to be, surely there's proof of it acting that way vs Strange or Loki and their spells). So instead of providing any sort of proof, you dance around the issue.

Originally posted by zopzop
Pictures are nice but I'll take Quasar's word for it. He straight up stated Binary's portal was "Far more powerfuL' than his own so much so that he thought a God was pitching in to help save the Sun. How could a "far more powerful" portal only be pulling in slightly more than half of Quasar's feeble gate? Binary even stated what Quasar was doing was "nowhere near enough".
Yes, Quasar's word that Binary not only was sucking in most of the anti-matter but that she also completely reversed the proliferation of it. Which is what he said, on-panel. That didn't stop Quasar from sucking in nearly half the remaining anti-matter that was blanketing the Sun's surface. Which is what is showed, on-panel.

That you completely ignore what is said and drawn on-panel is not shocking. You want to cherry-pick phrases and hold them in isolation so that you can miser other posters and misrepresent the scenes without their full context. This is KMC. You're a dime-a-dozen.

Originally posted by zopzop
You first. You came in here with stating Quasar's plan would have worked to free himself from the CB because "iron affects magic". I asked for proof of this ever happening to the CB (also if iron was the magic kryptonite you claim it to be, surely there's proof of it acting that way vs Strange or Loki and their spells). So instead of providing any sort of proof, you dance around the issue.
I came in stating that iron is well-established as disrupting magic in comic books and that your argument that it definitely wouldn't work ignores that. Then you decided that you needed to deflect from your absentmindedness over this by reversing the evidentiary burden onto me (even though you're the one who said it would never work) and limiting this evidence to direct evidence. Not the wealth of supporting evidence there is, or circumstantial evidence, but direct precedent evidence.

Then I showed you and everyone else what a witless hypocrite you are. Because you run around in threads wanking Magik's Soulsword and declaring it would own Harald Jaekellson, Loki, Snowbird and Thor. Even though you have no direct precedent evidence it has ever done so before.

Which illustrates that this imbecilic standard of evidence you've forced onto this conversation isn't even one you yourself hold onto or believe in. Which renders your transparent deflection impotent.

But by all means, you can continue wallowing in your own hypocrisy, like a pig in feces. The problem being, pigs actually enjoy it. And you obviously hate flopflopping around in your own witless hypocrisy. And I'm more than happy deconstructing your charade. Its what I do.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, Quasar's word that Binary not only was sucking in most of the anti-matter but that she also completely reversed the proliferation of it. Which is what he said, on-panel. That didn't stop Quasar from sucking in nearly half the remaining anti-matter that was blanketing the Sun's surface. Which is what is showed, on-panel.

That you completely ignore what is said and drawn on-panel is not shocking. You want to cherry-pick phrases and hold them in isolation so that you can miser other posters and misrepresent the scenes without their full context. This is KMC. You're a dime-a-dozen.


A far more powerful portal that he thought an "omnipotent" was creating only managed to get slightly more than half the dark matter affecting the Sun?

Binary even stated that what Quasar was attempting was "nowhere near enough" means she was only siphoning slightly more than half?

I came in stating that iron is well-established as disrupting magic in comic books and that your argument that it definitely wouldn't work ignores that. Then you decided that you needed to deflect from your absentmindedness over this by reversing the evidentiary burden onto me (even though you're the one who said it would never work) and limiting this evidence to direct evidence. Not the wealth of supporting evidence there is, or circumstantial evidence, but direct precedent evidence.

Then I showed you and everyone else what a witless hypocrite you are. Because you run around in threads wanking Magik's Soulsword and declaring it would own Harald Jaekellson, Loki, Snowbird and Thor. Even though you have no direct precedent evidence it has ever done so before.

Which illustrates that this imbecilic standard of evidence you've forced onto this conversation isn't even one you yourself hold onto or believe in. Which renders your transparent deflection impotent.

But by all means, you can continue wallowing in your own hypocrisy, like a pig in feces. The problem being, pigs actually enjoy it. And you obviously hate flopflopping around in your own witless hypocrisy. And I'm more than happy deconstructing your charade. Its what I do.


Yup, you stated it, now back it up. My hypocrisy aside, you have yet to prove your point.

I'm like a pig in feces eh? I guess you haven't fully e-roid-raged yet, you haven't busted out your "anal bleeding" line. But I guess that's coming down the line since you keep deflecting.

Originally posted by zopzop
A far more powerful portal that he thought an "omnipotent" was creating only managed to get slightly more than half the dark matter affecting the Sun?

Binary even stated that what Quasar was attempting was "nowhere near enough" means she was only siphoning slightly more than half?

Binary also completely reversed the proliferation of the anti-matter. A problem that had so far advanced that it was feeding off the Sun and self-propagating at a rate Quasar couldn't overcome given the time constraints. I know this because that's what they said on-panel. Try reading your owns scans zopzop, if you can manage through all the tears of frustration.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yup, you stated it, now back it up. My hypocrisy aside, you have yet to prove your point.
My point was that iron has an effect on magic and that your dismissive position that Quasar would NEVER free himself, is wholly ignorant of this. Not only did I prove you were ignorant of that, I also proved that your attempts to deflect from this utilized two-faced hypocrisy. There's no other points to make. I am pleasantly surprised you acknowledged your double-standard though. As fleeting as the admission was, that shows growth.
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm like a pig in feces eh? I guess you haven't fully e-roid-raged yet, you haven't busted out your "anal bleeding" line. But I guess that's coming down the line since you keep deflecting.
No, you're a witless hypocrite wallowing in hypocrisy. Learn to read English. But the fact that you yourself brought up anal rape just shows how completely torn down your act is. Don't worry. It makes sense that everyone but you has to get in line with this burden of proof you've forced onto this conversation. You go ahead and keep being a witless hypocrite.

Or you can stop. That's all it takes, after all.

Help me catch up please, what are you two discussing?

^ Kinky sex.

Agree with Zop. We can't go strictly by the art on the event. There were 3 key instances in which the writer specifically wanted it to be known that it was Binary's shining moment in that feat. It's clear as day.

1. Epoch: "But I would think even were you to create the larges aperture you can, it would take DAYS if not WEEKS to finish the task. This does not take into consideration how long you are capable of surviving within the sun's interior.
Quasar: "I have no choice. I have to try. The earth depends on me."

2. Binary: "That singular energy vortex is Quasar's doing. But Quasar's doing, however admirable is NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH. To save a star, someone with the power of a star is need. And that someone is me."

3. Quasar: "The dark matter feels as if it were receding at a phenomenal rate! Whoever, whatever my ally is, the power he's channeling is staggering! Epoch must've found some "Omnipotent" to pitch in!

Like I said, it's still quite a feat for Quasar since he had to be in the sun to even attempt it, but we all know who's feat that really belongs to. It's Binary's.

@leo. Here bro sort through these. I'm up trying to edit my son's award ceremony so sorry I just scrounged some stuff together as quickly as possible. This'll have to do for now.

Nova vs Sphinx

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Nova vs Thor

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Gotta finish this project for my kid. We'll have to continue tomorrow.

Edit: Ah shit. The links on the last set of scans are too small. I'll repost them when I get a chance.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Agree with Zop. We can't go strictly by the art on the event. There were 3 key instances in which the writer specifically wanted it to be known that it was Binary's shining moment in that feat. It's clear as day.
What's even more "clear as day" is the explicit art of Quasar's vortex on the right sucking in enough anti-matter to cover nearly half the Sun's surface:

This isn't even the only panel. You actually see a panel-by-panel-by-panel progression of it actually happening in real-time: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Quasar03.jpg So there isn't any issue of ambiguous art with a possibly poor angle/perspective of a tiny panel warping our view.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1. Epoch: "But I would think even were you to create the larges aperture you can, it would take DAYS if not WEEKS to finish the task. This does not take into consideration how long you are capable of surviving within the sun's interior.
Quasar: "I have no choice. I have to try. The earth depends on me."

2. Binary: "That singular energy vortex is Quasar's doing. But Quasar's doing, however admirable is NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH. To save a star, someone with the power of a star is need. And that someone is me."

3. Quasar: "The dark matter feels as if it were receding at a phenomenal rate! Whoever, whatever my ally is, the power he's channeling is staggering! Epoch must've found some "Omnipotent" to pitch in!

Like I said, it's still quite a feat for Quasar since he had to be in the sun to even attempt it, but we all know who's feat that really belongs to. It's Binary's.

So what you're trying to say is Quasar's vortex on the right isn't sucking in enough anti-matter to cover nearly half the Sun's surface.

Sorry, but that is absolutely preposterous. You can't just pretend that Quasar did nothing of merit. If War Machine's battle cpu told him that #1 he had a 2% chance of defeating two dozen surrounding exo-suits and that it'd take 30 minutes to defeat only one, then Iron Man swoops in with upgraded armor noting #2 Rhodey has no chance against even a couple of them, and starts ripping into them with Rhodey exclaiming #3 how amazing advanced the new armor is over his own, but then the panels show Rhodey separately destroying 9 of the 24 exo-suits in the space of minutes...

... you can't just pretend that War Machine didn't actually destroy 9 of those enemy exo-suits. His cpu's incorrect predictions, Tony's dismissive comments, and Rhodey's amazement with Iron Man's new armor doesn't make that feat belong solely to Iron Man.

If you're going to argue that the art is completely wrong, then just make that argument. Otherwise, the only thing that's actually "clear as day" is the panel-by-panel-by-panel progression of the scene in question.

Originally posted by dmills
@leo. Here bro sort through these. I'm up trying to edit my son's award ceremony so sorry I just scrounged some stuff together as quickly as possible. This'll have to do for now.

Nova vs Sphinx

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Nova vs Thor

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Nova vs Monitors (I believe Quasar faced one in his book. Nygorn. The one that took out the Watcher, Blackbolt, Binary, Photon and a few others at the same time. IIRC Quasar, Hyperion and some other people teamed up to beat it. It's been a long while though so I may be a bit fuzzy in the details)

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Gotta finish this project for my kid. We'll have to continue tomorrow.

Edit: Ah shit. The links on the last set of scans are too small. I'll repost them when I get a chance.

lol, kids, eh? nice. 👆

i'll go through them after my own kids' soccer practice later tonight! thanks for finding them. should give us some things to compare. i'll put up the masterson battle later on as well and maybe a couple others.