The Hulk vs Despero (V&V)

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not untrue imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Despero still showed a clear physical advantage against more powerful opposition, though.

superman for one didn't even care to use his vaunted speed to save his friends. go figure

Originally posted by psycho gundam
please elaborate

who in your opinion didn't fight to their best (hopefully that is true)

superman for one didn't even care to use his vaunted speed to save his friends. go figure

The X-Men, Hercules, Sentry by a huge ways. He didn't have to fight Thor or Surfer.

True, he didn't, but what about Captain Marvel, Power Girl, Hourman etc? Despero ploughed through them, and was shown to be superior in strength to all of them for the most part.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The X-Men

hulk was holding back

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hercules

currrent hulk was holding back (a lot) and curbstomped him

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sentry

anyway, a holding back hulk did "win" that fight, and showed he was physically superior by leaps and bounds than the sentry was

Originally posted by -Pr-
He didn't have to fight Thor

he did at weaker levels ad nauseum. more importantly he wasn't there

Originally posted by -Pr-
or Surfer.

whom he never had a clean fight with. more importantly he wasn't there

Originally posted by -Pr-
True, he didn't, but what about Captain Marvel, Power Girl, Hourman etc? Despero ploughed through them, and was shown to be superior in strength to all of them for the most part.

benefit of the doubt, using his vast mental powers he most likely can win.

The JLA and JSA has been soloed so much that its not even interesting any more. Hulk is clearly stronger and more durable. Soloing teams isn't something new for either of them. A dying Hulk has soloed a powerful group of Avengers.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
whom he never had a clean fight with. more importantly he wasn't there

wasn't a clean fight

they were both powered down, and surfer was under control (i don't remember if hulk had the disc on as well)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wasn't a clean fight

they were both powered down, and surfer was under control (i don't remember if hulk had the disc on as well)

Yes, Hulk had the disk. Surfer was the one that freed him and took off the disk.

A couple of characters were written down in WWH Strange being number one they should should have removed him from the arch Illuminati or not 😬

Strange was affraid to do that because he stated that if he would have bfred Hulk, Hulk would have returned with far more power than he had as his WWH counterpart due to anger and they couldn't even handle that little bit he brought to the table.

Strange thought smart.

Strange can do more than bfr come on now 😐

I agree on Strange and I'd like to add Reed Richards but both of them are more or less Deus Ex Machina Characters, especially Reed tech trumps pretty much everything else.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
who were shown to be ineffectual as a collective, even with their B too D listers using pretty much lethal force despite the reason they were at the shcool was for them to not have to use their abilities in that way

hulk was holding back

they fought many times before, herculese and hulk being at his classic levels, and as i've posted a dying hulk fighting more ferociously than ever (w/ diminishing strength) fought the collective avengers and a whole host of others alongside herculese and did quite well

currrent hulk was holding back (a lot) and curbstomped him

didn't you guys come to some decision that sentry was to be debated in separate forms all together on these forums?

anyway, a holding back hulk did "win" that fight, and showed he was physically superior by leaps and bounds than the sentry was

he did at weaker levels ad nauseum. more importantly he wasn't there

whom he never had a clean fight with. more importantly he wasn't there

can't argue with that (in terms of strength) as i bring that up whenever possible, but as for that proving he could take the hulk down especially with the stuff he's been doing as of late is highly dubious.

benefit of the doubt, using his vast mental powers he most likely can win.

Are you actually being honest? Or just trolling me?

Originally posted by psycho gundam

Originally posted by -Pr-
Are you actually being honest? Or just trolling me?

can you do the same for your stance?

biscuits

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i can post scans for everything stated in the quote

can you do the same for your stance?

biscuits

Yes, but the question still stands. I don't mind arguing the point with you, but I don't want to end up wasting my time.

i don't know what you want me to say here. you're claiming the hulk beat characters not only weaker than the ones despero fought, but they were holding back (or fighting as low as they could). i don't think the last part is entirely true

hulk was not only obviously holding back his power, but chose not to kill with the utter ease he easily could have.

Strange said he could of killed Hulk but didnt because Banner was his pal, Pak also confirmed Strange could of killed Hulk.

well, it goes both ways then (pause)

strange's relationship with the hulk is like that of hulk's with the silver surfer's where a fight usually centers around surfer or strange forgoing fisticuffs for "cheap" takedowns, through like it or not strange has been at the hulk's mercy pretty much just as many times as he's been at strange's

hessitating against hulk 9/10 = getting sent to the hospital