Gender roles and equality.

Originally posted by Robtard
You made rants and blanket generalizations, you had/have no real point.

So 2/3 of divorces happen because the woman initiates the divorce first. How is this a factor considering you didn't bother to post the reasons why they initiated them? It isn't. Fact.

You also obviously have some extreme grunge against women in general. Not good.

It is a fact they divorce and take money, and often list money as a reaason. The point is they leave and take the money from the men, so it is not like they are victims in most of those cases. They then proceed to use the court system to get advantages over men, that's also a fact.

No. I have no problem with any group. I just dislike stupid, lazy, and irresponsible members of a certain group. Just because I don't pee sitting down like many of you and I speak the truth doesn't mean I have some grunge against women, or any other group. Please. You obviously believe women are entitled to special benefits that men aren't. Why? That isn't good either. That being said there are certain women from certain parts of the world who display certain behaviors. I like women from parts of the world that aren't westernized countries, for the reasons mentioned above.

It kills me when I see women empowerment seminars in the paper.

It seems we need this for men when it comes to relationships with women. Had a neighbor join the military, he was gone for a year and a half and is wife was pregs when he got back. He moved on and his next gf got pregs and she refused to get married or continue with the relationship. He ended up committing suicide.

Seems men need to know women are tough to deal with and maybe the sex with is not worth it, if she is going to be bossy and materialistic and moving on quickly to the next guy rather quickly when she is not getting what she wants from the current one.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
It kills me when I see women empowerment seminars in the paper.

It seems we need this for men when it comes to relationships with women. Had a neighbor join the military, he was gone for a year and a half and is wife was pregs when he got back. He moved on and his next gf got pregs and she refused to get married or continue with the relationship. He ended up committing suicide.

Seems men need to know women are tough to deal with and maybe the sex with is not worth it, if she is going to be bossy and materialistic and moving on quickly to the next guy rather quickly when she is not getting what she wants from the current one.

Men can have sex, just live at their own place and she lives at her own place. That way you don't have to deal with the problems mentioned here. Men should focus on their career and future, the women will come along anyways.

This country and other westernized countries have gotten very misandrist and it shows in the tv shows where men are portrayed as dumb, talk shows like Oprah where they say men are inferior and other nonsense. How much more empowerment do they need? They get things men don't get anyways. Problem is men don't speak up, and many are brainwashed into believing this nonsense as we can see in numerous discussions and shows.

I simply propose equality and personal responsibility on both sides.

[QUOTE=13519137]Originally posted by CloverQuick
[B]I was a gung-ho feminist in the 1970s when it all got rolling but since then not so much. And although I still totally detest misogyny I also realize that women create some of the problem themselves. How can a gender be taken seriously when that gender is running around in absurd six inch heels and giggling. Women (more often young women) who purposely act silly and incompetent makes it harder for the ones who don't.

Thanks for being honest about the women creating probs for themselves. That seems to be overlooked as how did the woman contribute to the problem. It can happen that a woman ia 100% victim in some situations, but a lot of the times its a matter of dishing it out, but not being able to take it, because a man is not supposed to do that to a woman. Yet the woman was doing it to the man.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Which blanket generalizations? I made points and general truths. Remember I am talking in general (don't know why I have to explain this so many times). Which means we are speaking in general about things as they generally happen, we are in a "general" discussion forum after all. I have no time to sit and list exceptions to the rule.

It is a fact they divorce and take money, and often list money as a reaason. The point is they leave and take the money from the men, so it is not like they are victims in most of those cases. They then proceed to use the court system to get advantages over men, that's also a fact.

No. I have no problem with any group. I just dislike stupid, lazy, and irresponsible members of a certain group. Just because I don't pee sitting down like many of you and I speak the truth doesn't mean I have some grunge against women, or any other group. Please. You obviously believe women are entitled to special benefits that men aren't. Why? That isn't good either. That being said there are certain women from certain parts of the world who display certain behaviors. I like women from parts of the world that aren't westernized countries, for the reasons mentioned above.

Marriages aren't either this or that, so saying 'women generally shouldn't get alimony' is an idiotic blanket statement because marriages and their dynamics vary intensely. "General Discussion" as in prevalent topics, you clown.

Just more blanket statements/rants and further cementing that you obviously have a grudge against women. Not good. It would also help if you provided proof when ranting and ending every statement with "fact! fact! fact!". But that's probably too much to ask.

Yes, I obviously think women are entitled to more when I'm the one saying the dividing of property, alimony etc should be on a "case to case basis" and not some general blanket statement like "they leave for the money". (that was sarcasm, as I doubt you have it in to to pick it up)

Originally posted by Robtard
Marriages aren't either this or that, so saying 'women generally shouldn't get alimony' is an idiotic blanket statement because marriages and their dynamics vary intensely.

Just more blanket statements/rants and further cementing that you obviously have a grudge against women. Not good.

Yes, I obviously think women are entitled to more when I'm the one saying the dividing of property, alimon etc should be on a "case to case basis" and not some general blanket statement. (that was sarcasm, as I doubt you have it in to to pick it up)

No I don't think they should get it at all. Not generally. Never. Men shouldn't get it either. Unless it is planned beforehand.

Women generally come on top of divorces is what I said. I said that should be fair and people should plan.

Nobody should get alimony, men nor women. Nothing is unfair to women in my statement because men shouldn't get it either in the very rare cases they do. Unless it is planned beforehand. Don't be a mangina. I think people should earn their own and be responsible for themselves. People need to plan ahead. I don't give a rats ass how different the dynamics are. No spouse should support another after divorce. In any way, that's the point of being divorced. We can't look at everything as an exception, we have to look at the larger picture.

The facts are still that women marry men who make more *generally*, and *generally* leave, and *generally* take large amounts of money with them plus payments, and they *generally* get the kids.

That being said the system is *generally* against men. I feel it should be equal, simple.

Btw with your system do men get money back if the woman does nothing in the marriage? Doubt it.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
[QUOTE=13519137]Originally posted by CloverQuick
[B]I was a gung-ho feminist in the 1970s when it all got rolling but since then not so much. And although I still totally detest misogyny I also realize that women create some of the problem themselves. How can a gender be taken seriously when that gender is running around in absurd six inch heels and giggling. Women (more often young women) who purposely act silly and incompetent makes it harder for the ones who don't.

Thanks for being honest about the women creating probs for themselves. That seems to be overlooked as how did the woman contribute to the problem. It can happen that a woman ia 100% victim in some situations, but a lot of the times its a matter of dishing it out, but not being able to take it, because a man is not supposed to do that to a woman. Yet the woman was doing it to the man.

People should want equality and strive for it.

Yeah it is a bit odd that women let themselves go but threaten to end relationships for some reason or other. If a guy said to a woman I am leaving solely on because you let yourself go and its a bit scary looking, he is mean and shallow.

Knew someone that pulled that on me a lot, thinking about ending the relationship, when I got tired of hearing that emotional blackmail and left, she claims she tossed me out. Wow. Really. And boy did she let herself go. I never mentioned it because I was focused on the person inside, which was getting rather tiresome aa her demands for stuff actually were shallow and already sensed before I left she was already angling to hook up with someone else.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No I don't think they should get it at all. Not generally. Never. Men shouldn't get it either. Unless it is planned beforehand.

Women generally come on top of divorces is what I said. I said that should be fair and people should plan.

Nobody should get alimony, men nor women. Nothing is unfair to women in my statement because men shouldn't get it either in the very rare cases they do Unless it is planned beforehand. Don't be a mangina. I think people should earn their own and be responsible for themselves. People need to plan ahead. I don't give a rats ass how different the dynamics are. No spouse should support another after divorce. In any way, that's the point of being divorced. We can't look at everything as an exception, we have to look at the larger picture.

The facts are still that women marry men who make more *generally*, and *generally* leave, and *generally* take large amounts of money with them plus payments, and they *generally* get the kids.

That being said the system is *generally* against men. I feel it should be equal, simple.

Btw with your system do men get money back if the woman does nothing in the marriage? Doubt it.

More naive ranting. The dynamics do matter, it is what would allow one person to get this or that during a divorce and make it fair for both parties. "Mangina", brilliant retort.

I laid out a real life example of a woman who I think shouldn't get an equal share of the assets in my first post. My 'case to case' basis is to provide equality for all. You just have some grudge against women with all these blankets and rants.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
Yeah it is a bit odd that women let themselves go but threaten to end relationships for some reason or other. If a guy said to a woman I am leaving solely on because you let yourself go and its a bit scary looking, he is mean and shallow.

Knew someone that pulled that on me a lot, thinking about ending the relationship, when I got tired of hearing that emotional blackmail and left, she claims she tossed me out. Wow. Really. And boy did she let herself go. I never mentioned it because I was focused on the person inside, which was getting rather tiresome aa her demands for stuff actually were shallow and already sensed before I left she was already angling to hook up with someone else.

And before someone jumps on me it is a statistical fact that women gain weight after marriage and even more weight after kids. Of course they do. When they are married and have kids they get more money than if they were single and trying to get a guy. This is also why they lose the weight after they divorce.

I think men and women should speak to each other about expectations in a marriage. Men are visual and sexual attraction is critical to them. It's no different than a man who didn't want to work, she'd leave him too. These should be discussed up front.

Yeah it kills me, we are in a patrichial socirty and marriage is based on the word matrimony. That should give everyone a clue that is a relationship for women dominated by women and that men are generally signing away their manhood.

Seeing how women are generally fickle to begin with, it really is not a good deal for men. Go the Goldie Hawn Kurt Russell route.

Originally posted by Robtard
More naivety. The do dynamics matter, it si what would allow one person to get this or that during a divorce and make it fair for both parties. "Mangina", brilliant retort.

I laid out a real life example of a woman who I think shouldn't get an equal share of the assets in my first post. My 'case to case' basis is to provide equality for all. You just have some grudge against women with all these blankets and rants.

I know. I like it myself. 🙂

I agreed with your other case. I just disagreed with this one somewhat. No big deal.

I have no grudge at all. Nothing better than a woman for sex, they're great. 🙂 You just want things different for men and women. Many people here are saying the same thing I am and I'm communicating with them, it's a discussion. You are like many people in this culture who hate to hear anything that might be negative about a woman or something in regards to it, so you jump to the defense like a white knight.

Funny how I've proposed nothing that was unequal to women yet. Not at all, and I've also used statistics for my "blankets" so they are valid, we are talking about millions of people on a general discussion forum for God's sake.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
Yeah it kills me, we are in a patrichial socirty and marriage is based on the word matrimony. That should give everyone a clue that is a relationship for women dominated by women and that men are generally signing away their manhood.

Seeing how women are generally fickle to begin with, it really is not a good deal for men. Go the Goldie Hawn Kurt Russell route.

This society wants to almost be matriarchal now. I just think that men and women need to do their own things and meet up. With the options both genders have now, there is no reason not to.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm sooo naive, not, which is why I keep my money, because I'm not paying it to some broad. I know the facts and the stats and I know from real life experiences dealing with people who have gone through this, men get raped most of the time. Maybe sometimes they don't but they do most of the time, which is the point. Even a broken clock is wrong twice a day, so what? Should we keep letting the inequality continue because of a handful of cases in the minority.

I know. I like it myself. 🙂

I agreed with your other case. I just disagreed with this one somewhat. No big deal.

I have no grudge at all. Nothing better than a woman for sex, they're great. 🙂 You just want things different for men and women. Many people here are saying the same thing I am and I'm communicating with them, it's a discussion. You are like many people in this culture who hate to hear anything that might be negative about a woman or something in regards to it, so you jump to the defense like a white knight.

Funny how I've proposed nothing that was unequal to women yet. Not at all, and I've also used statistics for my "blankets" so they are valid, we are talking about millions of people on a general discussion forum for God's sake.

Grudge against women. Not good.

Originally posted by Robtard
Grudge against women. Not good.

Women are great for many things and I know many great women. I know women who have their own shows, which I sponsor.

I've also sponsor women retreats, I've also sponsored Mother/daughter retreats which was to teach young girls valuable lessons and also curb teen pregnancy (which was in Mississippi, my home town, rampant with teen pregnancy). I've spent more money on women related causes than men related causes.

I care about young men and women growing up, and I give to these causes, like I give to educate people who are poorer. I'm just speaking the truth, doesn't have anything to do with "hate". I know great women, but they are an exception to the rule.

From what I have seen in a lot of workplaces is that as long as you fit into the culture, does not matter if you lack the qualifications. we will teach what you need to know. It's a bit of a backdoor for cultural diversity and affirmative action. I have worked with welfare to work people and I would gladly pay more taxes for them not to be at work.

They are just not team players and think the world revolves around them and lack big time in manners. It's hilarious reading that in The Onion" tragic when you see it real life.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Out of juice? 😛

Women are great for many things and I know many great women. I know women who have their own shows, which I sponsor.

I've also sponsor women retreats, I've also sponsored Mother/daughter retreats which was to teach young girls valuable lessons and also curb teen pregnancy (which was in Mississippi, my home town, rampant with teen pregnancy). I've spent more money on women related causes than men related causes.

I care about young men and women growing up, and I give to these causes, like I give to educate people who are poorer. I'm just speaking the truth, doesn't have anything to do with "hate". I know great women, but they are an exception to the rule.

Only so many times I can show your rants and blankets generalizations to be faulty.

Hahhaa, just like the closet racist to cry "but I'm friends with a black person!" when they're called out. Your grudge against women is obvious. I'd talk to you about it; but I don't care.

Originally posted by Robtard
Only so many times I can show your rants and blankets generalizations to be faulty.

Hahhaa, just like the closet racist to cry "but I know a black person!" when they're called out. Your grudge against women is obvious. I'd talk to you about it; but I don't care.

You're not calling me out on anything, I really don't care. It isn't true. I hate stupid people equally across genders, races, and economic levels. I do know great women, who are exceptions, and they deserve their props, just like Oprah deserves hers. Oprah isn't the norm. I find it funny that morons on here say things like "You hate the poor, you hate this..." Yet I've given more and contributed way more to those causes than any of these losers ever have. It's easy to sit in the back and point, or make a dumb comment. Takes more to do something.

I have more of a problem with westernized society and the problems it has caused and a lot of the women who grow up there. But not women in general. I love foreign women a lot. You kidding me? Nothing hotter or better. You're just a white knight trying to get your rocks off and are trying to "point me out" for your own cool points, doesn't work well though.

Oh and check out the Tammie Tubbs website, I can't post it here. She has a woman's ministry I sponsor frequently. She was actually a client of mine. Great person. 🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yet you continue to post.

You're not calling me out on anything, I really don't care. It isn't true. I hate stupid people equally across genders, races, and economic levels. I do know great women, who are exceptions, and they deserve their props, just like Oprah deserves hers. Oprah isn't the norm. I find it funny that morons on here say things like "You hate the poor, you hate this..." Yet I've given more and contributed way more to those causes than any of these losers ever have. It's easy to sit in the back and point, or make a dumb comment. Takes more to do something.

I have more of a problem with westernized society and the problems it has caused and a lot of the women who grow up there. But not women in general. I love foreign women a lot. You kidding me? Nothing hotter or better. You're just a white knight trying to get your rocks off and are trying to "point me out" for your own cool points, doesn't work well though.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that you don't have a grudge against women now?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet I didn't post pointing out your errors; as I said, only so many times I can do it.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that you don't have a grudge against women now?

Which errors are those? They were all factually correct.

I don't waste my time convincing people anything. It's up to you to convince yourself. I think you need to stop peeing sitting down. Just because someone doesn't kiss the ass of females the way you do, doesn't mean they hate anything. I've discussed many issues about many groups of people here, please.

What have you done positive for any groups lately?

I think what C Master is saying is, lets educate men about the facts and think with their brain, so that if they run into women of the guile, at least they have been told about it. Empowerment for women does not have to be its a man's world so no men allowed.

We need the same for men too. Empowerment for themselves to be assertative and knowledgeable about what goes on. It does not mean hating the opposite gender.

Geez, do people really think that is what goes on with women empowerment seminars, they hate men cuz its a mans world. No.

Although I am sure a few knuclehead women might think that way. Its about knowledge, creating boundries, and asking for what you want, taking action and making sure that what ever you do , its a fair deal with all concerned and not being intimidated by someone elses pose.

So why is it when CMaster says, he fellas look at all the facts about marriage and women in general, that he is a woman hater?

I would like to see more PSA on tv and radio about this, instead of promoting marriage, say he think twice about women and men too.

They can be fickle and turn a dime, so don't get comfortable or could be left out in the cold wondering what happened and not see things coming that are for the worst. Fortune tires of anyone resting on her shoulders for too long.