Gender roles and equality.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
From what I have seen in a lot of workplaces is that as long as you fit into the culture, does not matter if you lack the qualifications. we will teach what you need to know. It's a bit of a backdoor for cultural diversity and affirmative action. I have worked with welfare to work people and I would gladly pay more taxes for them not to be at work.

They are just not team players and think the world revolves around them and lack big time in manners. It's hilarious reading that in The Onion" tragic when you see it real life.

I wouldn't pay for people to be off work for long myself. It's good they are doing better, but it shouldn't be a long term thing.

People are like that.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
I think what C Master is saying is, lets educate men about the facts and think with their brain, so that if they run into women of the guile, at least they have been told about it. Empowerment for women does not have to be its a man's world so no men allowed.

We need the same for men too. Empowerment for themselves to be assertative and knowledgeable about what goes on. It does not mean hating the opposite gender.

Geez, do people really think that is what goes on with women empowerment seminars, they hate men cuz its a mans world. No.

Although I am sure a few knuclehead women might think that way. Its about knowledge, creating boundries, and asking for what you want, taking action and making sure that what ever you do , its a fair deal with all concerned and not being intimidated by someone elses pose.

So why is it when CMaster says, he fellas look at all the facts about marriage and women in general, that he is a woman hater?

I would like to see more PSA on tv and radio about this, instead of promoting marriage, say he think twice about women and men too.

They can be fickle and turn a dime, so don't get comfortable or could be left out in the cold wondering what happened and not see things coming that are for the worst. Fortune tires of anyone resting on her shoulders for too long.

It's the same thing with the men earning more than women lie, which is just that, a lie.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think most women pay equal. I do think that the vast majority of feminists pay equal. This is in line with their philosophy, my personal experience, and simple logic. So with no proof your "its the truth" will fall on deaf ears.

I agree: feminists want equality for men, as well...which makes feminists kind of cool in my book.

Also, I've never met this ugly type of female feminist: some were quite hot, actually.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I believe it's wrong that the law sees women get treated differently in a divorce than men.

If I'm not mistaken, a real feminist would strongly agree with you.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Alimony, child custody, house custody, car custody etc. etc.

Although every case is different, the average, trend and satirists point to the general consensus that women get off better in most divorces.

I'm against bias and unfairness, since divorce laws basically dictate the rest of the lives of the parties involved.

From direct experience, I can say that women do get the nod in divorce cases. It's almost like affirmative action. If all things are equal, the woman will get the nod. I think this may have a bit to do with how negatively males are viewed by society: partiers, assholes, grouches, hairy, stinky, etc. And women are viewed as sugar spice and all that's nice.

Sure, that's an exaggeration, but that's just part of the sexist systems we have setup.

Originally posted by CloverQuick
I think the problem with "equality" is that we aren't equal in physical strength. We had a Fed-Ex woman driver on our route for awhile and there was no way she could lift some the boxes out of that truck and deliver them. She had no business having that job. Ditto for female firefighters - the only way she can get an unconscious grown man out of a burning building is to drag him by the heels, head bumping on the floor/ground. She has no business with that job. On the other hand - there isn't a reason in the world why a woman can't competently fly jet planes - and more of them should be hired for the job. We also should have more women executives, more women in government and other jobs of that type.

There is a female firefighter in my small city. She is probably stronger than most of the males on this website. She works out almost daily with the other male firefighters. She had to pass the same tests they did. Namely, carrying 100+lbs of firehouse up a ladder in a specific time. I used to workout at the same gym as a dude that repeatedly failed that test. She passed it.

Is she the rule or the exception? She's the extreme exception. She worked hard to get to where she is. Much more so than the men because their physical strength came much easier to them.

She's qualified for her job. She can do it. She can have it. End of.

Originally posted by CloverQuick
I don't believe in either gender supporting the other when they divorce. Things should be divided 50/50. I see no reason why either spouse should get some kind of big fat settlement from the other. Man or woman, they should be able to work and support themselves. (Child support should be paid, of course, according to an individual's income.)

Well, the 50/50 thing is the problem. Not everything is 50/50. The only way to keep things for sure is if you keep receipts and separate accounts. Then you can prove to the judge you purchased specific items. Only an anal person does that and it would seem suspicious if you were in a happy marriage. However, it is still recommended that you keep separate accounts as well as a "joint" bills account, even if you are getting along. That's what my wife and I do. 😄

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Except that has nothing to do with being women and everything to do with not being strong enough. I know I'd fail qualifications for the US army, but that tells us nothing about men.

If a woman can pass the qualifications they should be allowed to do the job. The real world is made of different people not billions of people presenting a statistical average.

Sure, among the billions of women out there, there are probably hundreds of thousands that could pass the fireman's qualification tests. However, that's an extreme minority.

That's just not how our biology works. You're speaking to the extreme exception, not the rule.

We are different and the extreme majority of women are not "built" to be able to carry 100+lbs of firehouse up a ladder. Sure, there are tons of men out there that cannot do that, as well. But there are cascades more of men that can do it than women and not because they "practiced" at it harder.

I think there should be no gender bias on any test especially for firemen or military. However, we need to come to grips with the reality that there is significant sexual asymmetry.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I do, however, have a problem with organizations like the military using lower standards for women. It seems vaguely insulting and, for the army, potentially dangerous.

Ditto.

I have met a few "cool" feminists way back when, particularly in school, they were great to team up with in debates.

I do agree with the separate accounts if you get married, it can save a lot of headaches.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Which errors are those? They were all factually correct.

I don't waste my time convincing people anything. It's up to you to convince yourself. I think you need to stop peeing sitting down. Just because someone doesn't kiss the ass of females the way you do, doesn't mean they hate anything. I've discussed many issues about many groups of people here, please.

What have you done positive for any groups lately?

The rants and blanket generalizations you threw out over the last several pages. Just saying "fact" at the end, doesn't make it so.

Now a personal attack coupled with outright lies in hopes to deflect that you clearly showed you have some grudge against women in the last several pages. Clever.

What would that matter here? It wouldn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
The rants and blanket generalizations you threw out over the last several pages. Just saying "fact" at the end, doesn't make it so.

Now a personal attack in hopes to deflect that you clearly showed you have some grudge against women in the last several pages. Clever.

What would that matter here? It wouldn't.

Yes it would, because I know you haven't done anything, like most complainers. I am simply saying everything should be equal, it never will completely of course, but progress would be nice.

No need to deflect anything. It's clear your women run the show. I've made it quite clear I have don't care for with the society in America when it comes to this and other westernized countries and the behaviors of the system there, and how many women act in countries like America with the double standards and things like the Vawa act, and how they should get special rights that men don't. Has nothing to do with all women in all places, because it doesn't happen in "all places" systems like the US allow it. Just women in general in places like this. I made no secret about it. You stretching something I blatantly said to try and "expose" me is really a waste of time, if you ask me I'll tell you straight out.

Do you believe that men get generally screwed in divorces? That's more important than this circular nonsense.

C Master: Agree with the misandry post. You are one of the very few people I have seen use it in print.

More speficly though I would say ivory misandry is what is really going on. Seems to be the only acceptable form of disdain and hate that is acceptable. Most be a great motivator for folks to change their lives in some fashion but is the ultimate bogus boogeyman that just does not exist. I guess it is the BIG LIE, you say in often it enough and people will believe it to be true.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
C Master: Agree with the misandry post. You are one of the very few people I have seen use it in print.

More speficly though I would say ivory misandry is what is really going on. Seems to be the only acceptable form of disdain and hate that is acceptable. Most be a great motivator for folks to change their lives in some fashion but is the ultimate bogus boogeyman that just does not exist. I guess it is the BIG LIE, you say in often it enough and people will believe it to be true.

Hell look at tv. Look how men are portrayed like idiots and the women are shown as brilliant. Look at commercials where men get thrown out of vehicles and can't hold a mop. If it were the other way around it would be an outrage.

Look at shows like the view, Oprah, and other shows where the theme is how useless men are, how wrong they are, how they are deadbeats.

If a show was like this against women, people would be writing letters and throwing fits. The only show (which was on radio) which was from a male perspective was the Tom Leykis show, which used to be on and will be back. It's obvious where the bias lies.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I guess I learn from you about the personal attacks, since you did it first. I've posted numerous things that were true. Just like the lousy attempt at trolling done at the beginning of the thread.

Yes it would, because I know you haven't done anything, like most complainers. I am simply saying everything should be equal, it never will completely of course, but progress would be nice.

No need to deflect anything. It's clear your women run the show. I've made it quite clear I have don't care for with the society in America when it comes to this and other westernized countries and the behaviors of the system there, and how many women act in countries like America with the double standards and things like the Vawa act. Has nothing to do with all women in all places. Just women in general in places like this. I made no secret about it. You stretching something I blatantly said to try and "expose" me is really a waste of time, if you ask me I'll tell you straight out.

Do you believe that men get generally screwed in divorces? That's more important than this circular nonsense.

Nope. You ranted and used "fact" a lot, yet didn't bother to support the majority of the time.

There is a complainer in here; it's you. Your posts were not about being equal. I'm the one that said it should be equal and the way to do this is settle divorces on a case to case basis as the dynamics of marriages vary greatly. You threw out blanket generalizations and rants about "women divorcing to take the money", "men get screwed" and "give a rat's ass about the dynamics."

There's no need to stretch anything, your grudge against women posts speak for themselves.

It's possible, there are some issues that prefer women which I don't agree with, such as child custody. ie why I'm for the case to case basis.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. You ranted and used "fact" a lot, yet didn't bother to support the majority of the time.

There is a complainer in here; it's you. Your posts were not about being equal. I'm the one that said it should be equal and the way to do this is settle divorces on a case to case basis as the dynamics of marriages vary greatly. You threw out blanket generalizations and rants about "women divorcing to take the money."

There's no need to stretch anything, your grudge against women posts speak for themselves.

It's possible, there are some issues that prefer women which I don't agree with, such as child custody. ie why I'm for the case to case basis.

You're complaining. I did say they should be treated equally from the first page. I agreed with most of your post but that part, and you threw a fit. Women do divorce and take money most of the time, which is true.

No it isn't. I have a problem with hypocritical people (women and men actually seeing as I'm talking to you) in westernized (or any) society that allow this continue. Stupidity knows no race, gender, or economic level. In fact I agreed somewhat with the chick who posted. I also noticed you never named anything positive you did. You're just a complainer who sits in the back and accuses others of things and you do nothing yourself.

They either do or don't. Take a side and stop dancing around it. This is the general discussion forum and we're talking about millions of people. People need to plan and if they don't they are dumb considering the divorce rate in these countries which are well over 50%. Anybody who has assets to protect (like myself) would go to all extremes to keep my assets protected. Which only makes sense.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sure I did.

You're complaining. I did say they should be treated equally from the first page. I agreed with most of your post but that part, and you threw a fit. Women do divorce and take money most of the time, which is true.

No it isn't. I have a problem with hypocritical people (women and men actually seeing as I'm talking to you) in westernized (or any) society that allow this continue. Stupidity knows no race, gender, or economic level. In fact I agreed somewhat with the chick who posted.

I also noticed you never named anything positive you did. You're just a complainer who sits in the back and accuses others of things and you do nothing yourself.

They either do or don't. Take a side and stop dancing around it. This is the general discussion forum and we're talking about millions of people.

Indeed, you did.

Awww, a "no you!" reply, cute. Care to support that claim of "most of the time"? At least you stopped posting "fact" after each statement.

Again, are you trying to convince me or yourself that you don't have some grudge against women?

So I should post an arbitrary laundry list of supposed "good actions" as you did? Again, for what purpose would it serve here? You're just ranting again.

Life isn't black and white. No, I won't play by your set of defined forum rules. Divorces should be on a case to case basis, they shouldn't be a cookie-cutter. Not "men this or women that", as you want to think. Obviously you think men get screwed more in divorces, can you support this?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Hello once again guys. This was a highly debated topic in another thread, so I will debate it here. I'm well aware of the types that post here and their beliefs, but I don't really care.

How do people here feel about gender relations, roles, and equality? I believe in everything being 50/50, some believe in roles, and others (i.e most) believe it should be "equal" to a woman plus extra benefits. Not only in terms of relationships, but law and everything else.

What do you think? Discuss, post, blah blah blah.

Men and Women are different. Nothing is Ever equal

I would take most of what goes on with humans with a huge grain of salt. Look at our medical system and see how barbaric it was until the last 150 years. Much is the same with human behavior, most people just ape each other without looking at all sides of the issue.

Seems to be whatever my mon or dad or family says about the world I won't second guess it, its true. There is always a grain of truth in it, at the same time all can see things from a different angle. All this C Master bashing is basicly saying I can't ever see things from you angle, therefore you are wrong. My way or the highway. That is being a tard.

Originally posted by Robtard
Indeed, you did.

Awww, a "no you!" reply, cute. Care to support that claim? At least you stopped posting "fact" after each statement.

Again, are you trying to convince me or yourself that you don't have some grudge against women?

So I should post an arbitrary laundry list of supposed "good actions" as you did? Again, for what purpose would it serve here? You're just ranting again.

Life isn't black and white. No, I won't play by your set of defined forum rules. Divorces should be on a case to case basis, they shouldn't be a cookie-cutter. Not "men this or women that", as you want to think. Obviously you think men get screwed more in divorces, can you support this?

Are you trying to convince me or yourself you don't pee sitting down? Just admit your woman (if you have one) runs the show. Stop using shaming tactics when you can't prove a point, are you a chick?

Coming from someone who is trying bring up me and women, as a red herring. If you don't like them don't commit them.

Yes and they should be planned, women generally get the most money, they get the kids, the house, and support. Why should an adult get support from someone they aren't with/ Not to mention many won't marry and will simply cohabitate to keep getting money.

As I seem to think? You mean I think facts. Women initiate the most divorces, take the most money, and get the kids most of the time. Those are facts.

How do men get screwed? The fact they lose the kids, lose their money, lose their assets, and pay to a woman they aren't with. Even if that woman cheated. Hence my whole point that marriage doesn't benefit *men*.

Men can have sex, kids, live together, be loved etc and all of those other things without being married, they can live the same life without having to give up any money or assets and only have to pay child support if he has kids and gets them. This is why marriage benefits women, because if they were only boyfriend and girlfriend she wouldn't get any property she didn't earn or any alimony. Since men make most money in most relationships and most courts favor women here, this is why men *shouldn't* get married in this day and age. Even with a prenup, as that can be overturned and you still pay out a certain amount or else it won't hold up.

This is why marriage is appealing to women and prenups aren't. Don't be naive.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
I would take most of what goes on with humans with a huge grain of salt. Look at our medical system and see how barbaric it was until the last 150 years. Much is the same with human behavior, most people just ape each other without looking at all sides of the issue.

Seems to be whatever my mon or dad or family says about the world I won't second guess it, its true. There is always a grain of truth in it, at the same time all can see things from a different angle. All this C Master bashing is basicly saying I can't ever see things from you angle, therefore you are wrong. My way or the highway. That is being a tard.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So nothing but a weak deflection.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself you don't pee sitting down? Just admit your woman (if you have one) runs the show. Stop using shaming tactics when you can't prove a point, are you a chick?

Coming from someone who is trying bring up me and women, as a red herring. If you don't like them don't commit them.

Yes and they should be planned, women generally get the most money, they get the kids, the house, and support. Why should an adult get support from someone they aren't with/ Not to mention many won't marry and will simply cohabitate to keep getting money.

As I seem to think? You mean I think facts. Women initiate the most divorces, take the most money, and get the kids most of the time. Those are facts.

How do men get screwed? The fact they lose the kids, lose their money, lose their assets, and pay to a woman they aren't with. Even if that woman cheated. Hence my whole point that marriage doesn't benefit *men*.

Men can have sex, kids, live together, be loved etc and all of those other things without being married, they can live the same life without having to give up any money or assets and only have to pay child support if he has kids and gets them. This is why marriage benefits women, because if they were only boyfriend and girlfriend she wouldn't get any property she didn't earn or any alimony. Since men make most money in most relationships and most courts favor women here, this is why men *shouldn't* get married in this day and age. Even with a prenup, as that can be overturned and you still pay out a certain amount or else it won't hold up.

This is why marriage is appealing to women and prenups aren't. Don't be naive. Of course they bash, it's ok to disagree but it shows they don't have a point. Nothing new. This is why I think people should live in their own places and do their own things.

So again, nothing to support these "facts"? Figures.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Few people probably know what it is. And it would be wrong to accuse someone of that. But it is ok to use misogny every five seconds.

Hell look at tv. Look how men are portrayed like idiots and the women are shown as brilliant. Look at commercials where men get thrown out of vehicles and can't hold a mop. If it were the other way around it would be an outrage.

Look at shows like the view, Oprah, and other shows where the theme is how useless men are, how wrong they are, how they are deadbeats.

If a show was like this against women, people would be writing letters and throwing fits. The only show (which was on radio) which was from a male perspective was the Tom Leykis show, which used to be on and will be back. It's obvious where the bias lies.

Complain much?

Victim role much?

Grudge against women much?

Though I've seen your type before, puts on a good show about being some Alpha-male, but behind the show, you're just a milquetoast; nothing more. "Yes dear, anything you say." Does explain your grudge against women; no, I still don't care enough to talk to you about it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Complain much?

Victim role much?

Grudge against women much?

Though I've seen your type before, puts on a good show about being some Alpha-male, but behind the show, you're just a milquetoast; nothing more. "Yes dear, anything you say." Does explain your grudge against women; no, I still don't care enough to talk to you about it.

Nope I tell the truth much. Glad you ignored my points for more bashing.

I don't need to put on a show about anything. I love my life, and I wouldn't trade it for anybodys. I'm not handing over money to any chick, men who do so are stupid. None are going to live in my place and try to run me either. I have more sense than that, and I tell men (especially young men) to focus on their goals and not focus on the chicks, because once you have success you can have anything you want. I do what I want, when I want, and how I want. I have my own success and I keep myself up. No broad complaining and no kid crying that I have to worry about. Don't have to worry about a job or anything, my money works for me. You know why because I didn't give up my dreams for anything stupid, chick or otherwise. I didn't knock up some chick, or stay around and smoke pot. Of course haters like you who have nothing come on and believe I owe the world something for earning my success I don't. My own company and investments, and I'm looking at buying cheap housing and renting it out soon. Several people on here who I know in real life and otherwise can verify this quite easily.

Men like you are raised by single mothers and probably pee sitting down and you need a woman to tell you to do everything so you run from relationship to relationship and let chicks move in because you don't have the game to get laid without doing it. I know your type all to well. Being a mangina to get laid. Please.

Good god, this thread is a travesty.

So. Much. Kneejerking.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Good god, this thread is a travesty.

So. Much. Kneejerking.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Tis KMC after all.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nope I tell the truth much. Glad you ignored my points for more bashing.

I don't need to put on a show about anything. I love my life, and I wouldn't trade it for anybodys. I'm not handing over money to any chick, men who do so are stupid. None are going to live in my place and try to run me either. I have more sense than that, and I tell men (especially young men) to focus on their goals and not focus on the chicks, because once you have success you can have anything you want. I do what I want, when I want, and how I want. I have my own success and I keep myself up. No broad complaining and no kid crying that I have to worry about. Don't have to worry about a job or anything, my money works for me. You know why because I didn't give up my dreams for anything stupid, chick or otherwise. I didn't knock up some chick, or stay around and smoke pot. Of course haters like you who have nothing come on and believe I owe the world something for earning my success I don't. My own company and investments, and I'm looking at buying cheap housing and renting it out soon. Several people on here who I know in real life and otherwise can verify this quite easily.

Men like you are raised by single mothers and probably pee sitting down and you need a woman to tell you to do everything so you run from relationship to relationship and let chicks move in because you don't have the game to get laid without doing it. I know your type all to well. Being a mangina to get laid. Please.

Your points where to play the victim, complain about Oprah and mop commercials being unfair to men and to further demonstrate your grudge against women. I clearly didn't ignore any of your "points".

Must you really try and validate yourself so pathetically each time? We get it, you're uber-awesome and are out to help the world and your dreams and money worked for you. Check and check and check. This thread isn't about you, as much as you try to make it so.

"Mangina" again. Brilliant.