Originally posted by DarkOdin
In the same thought pattern IF the Celestial really thought it was that big much of a threat wouldn't all of them come to fight not just a handfull. We have no way i guessing there power level it ranges from tiamat to the no names that got owned by the reeds
I count atleast 16 (possibly 17) celestials so it's abit more then a handfull and again that is only the part of the line we are shown. Wasn't the council of Reeds fighting Celestials from a alternate universe that they ultimately had to flee from? We actually have a way of determining a the No Name Celestials powerlevel as mentioned before, Kubik was scared of one.
But given your thoughts on the Celestials shall I then assume that you are also applying the same thought pattern to the rest of the council of skyfather?
Originally posted by Utrigita
Wasn't the council of Reeds fighting Celestials from a alternate universe that they ultimately had to flee from?
The incredible thing about that issue is, the Rogue Celestials killed not one, but TWO IG users; yet Reed pulled out a chaos gun or something and they ran. 😘
Originally posted by zopzopReed pulled a universal entropy gun out of his closet that was powerful enough to slag a Celestial. It had bark AND bite. 😉
The incredible thing about that issue is, the Rogue Celestials killed not one, but TWO IG users; yet Reed pulled out a chaos gun or something and they ran. 😘
Originally posted by zopzopWell we know for sure neither side was getting anywhere in that fight till Odin
Spoiler:If Galactus was so much more powerful than Odin, he'd have done that before the fight started. But apparently Odin doesn't think much of Galactus or his power.
broke off and upped the ante by entering the Destroyer.
Funny you say that because the way fraction has written it, Galactus pretty much stood there and didn't give a rat's ass what Odin was going to do. Then he stood up, brushed the dirt off his shoulder, and told Asgard he was getting exasperated. That's even more direct indication of what G thinks of Odin's power than your implied assumption about what Odin thinks of G's power.
So again, it's less Odin deciding to use a different tactic than Odin being forced to, or are you going to tell me that KOing himself so that he can use it as the opportune moment to slide into the Armor was Odin's prep plan all along? No matter how you want to sugar coat it, Odin was the aggressor each time and it failed each time. Only the second time, he grievously injured himself. So yes, Odin didn't think much of Galactus' power, and Galactus infinitely more so since he just stood there and accepted Odin's kill shot. And Odin's arrogance bit him in the ass.
He didn't up the ante...he either choose to enter the Armor because he was running out of options or he had to enter the Armor because he was incapacitated in his corporeal form after he rushed into a stationary Galactus. Again, either explanation is quite telling: It's not upping the ante. It's going all in with all the money you have on hand, losing, and then having to borrow an even larger amount from an external source in order to stay in the game. THAT's the difference.
Exactly and Odin would have amped off the life forces of the Asgardians AND the land of Asgard AND called his Septre or Gungnir or the Odinsword, then confronted Galactus (like he did vs a real threat : the Celestials). But that didn't happen either and you don't hear Odin fans crying about it.
Because odin fans recognize that Odin being prepped and "uncharacteristically" not bringing extra gear to the battle isn't the same as standing still and taking your opponents' best hits while being as stationary as a tree in the Arctic. That's why I don't hear any odin fans crying about it.
Oh, let's also forget that Odin prepped for the 4th host for how many millennia? You're comparing his prep against the 4th host to Galactus arriving practically the same day the seed was found? And did Odin bring the destroyer armor to his battle against seth when he shook the universe in the ensuing battle and galaxies were extinguished in the collateral damage? You can't use that excuse either dude. Fail.
Or, using your exact line of logic, since Galactus wants the Seed so desperately he would have taken the UN out and erased all of Asgard sans the Seed. He only uses the UN in desperation or in moments of extreme anger. So again,
Wasn't that incident itself technically erased, when Reed (not Galactus by the way) reset the universe/multiverse? So what's the point?
What's the point of asking "what's the point?" Use of the UN didn't retcon the entire event otherwise Galactus would have stayed dead and not have been resurrected by the combined powers of Franklin Richards and Valeria Von Doom since Galactus' "death" was before the entire Abraxas arc got underway. And Reed used it because Galactus told him to use it...I really don't see how you're grasping at anything here in an attempt to invalidate that the UN is an aspect of him.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I count atleast 16 (possibly 17) celestials so it's abit more then a handfull and again that is only the part of the line we are shown. Wasn't the council of Reeds fighting Celestials from a alternate universe that they ultimately had to flee from? We actually have a way of determining a the No Name Celestials powerlevel as mentioned before, Kubik was scared of one.But given your thoughts on the Celestials shall I then assume that you are also applying the same thought pattern to the rest of the council of skyfather?
That whole council fiasco with the Celestials was an entertaining read but at the end of the day it was just to pimp up what reed could do if he didn't have the shackles of family dedication and a proper conscious. Sort of like a non-CIS reed.
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But in general I think people on KMC are getting confused into thinking the whole thing with the council featured Celestials from the 616 universe. They were all alternate universe celestials and the council of reeds were running around with infinity gauntlets and ultimate nullifiers like they were bad fashion statements. 616 Reed just had the gun he literally took out from his closet in the baxter building that 1 shotted one of those alternate celestials.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Funny you say that because the way fraction has written it, Galactus pretty much stood there and didn't give a rat's ass what Odin was going to do. Then he stood up, brushed the dirt off his shoulder, and told Asgard he was getting exasperated. That's even more direct indication of what G thinks of Odin's power than your implied assumption about what Odin thinks of G's power.So again, it's less Odin deciding to use a different tactic than Odin being forced to, or are you going to tell me that KOing himself so that he can use it as the opportune moment to slide into the Armor was Odin's prep plan all along? No matter how you want to sugar coat it, Odin was the aggressor each time and it failed each time. Only the second time, he grievously injured himself. So yes, Odin didn't think much of Galactus' power, and Galactus infinitely more so since he just stood there and accepted Odin's kill shot. And Odin's arrogance bit him in the ass.
He didn't up the ante...he either choose to enter the Armor because he was running out of options or he had to enter the Armor because he was incapacitated in his corporeal form after he rushed into a stationary Galactus. Again, either explanation is quite telling: It's not upping the ante. It's going all in with all the money you have on hand, losing, and then having to borrow an even larger amount from an external source in order to stay in the game. THAT's the difference.
Because odin fans recognize that Odin being prepped and "uncharacteristically" not bringing extra gear to the battle isn't the same as standing still and taking your opponents' best hits while being as stationary as a tree in the Arctic. That's why I don't hear any odin fans crying about it.
Oh, let's also forget that Odin prepped for the 4th host for how many millennia? You're comparing his prep against the 4th host to Galactus arriving practically the same day the seed was found? And did Odin bring the destroyer armor to his battle against seth when he shook the universe in the ensuing battle and galaxies were extinguished in the collateral damage? You can't use that excuse either dude. Fail.
Or, using your exact line of logic, since Galactus wants the Seed so desperately he would have taken the UN out and erased all of Asgard sans the Seed. He only uses the UN in desperation or in moments of extreme anger. So again,
What's the point of asking "what's the point?" Use of the UN didn't retcon the entire event otherwise Galactus would have stayed dead and not have been resurrected by the combined powers of Franklin Richards and Valeria Von Doom since Galactus' "death" was before the entire Abraxas arc got underway. And Reed used it because Galactus told him to use it...I really don't see how you're grasping at anything here in an attempt to invalidate that the UN is an aspect of him.
Fact : Odin stalemated Galactus in a TP battle
Fact : Odin KOed himself and Galactus by ramming into him
Fact : Galactus recovered, while Odin mysteriously went into Odinsleep
Speculation :
Spoiler:
Going by solicits and preview scans, Odin himself could have reformed just like Galactus did but chose to enter the Destroyer Armor instead
Galactus fans shouldn't be too proud of this showing. ONE Skyfather was giving Galactus a hard time, imagine the entire Council? Now contrast this to the time the Skyfathers met the Celestials, see the difference?
I wonder how Odin ends up in the Destroyer. It activates before he fully collapses and the summary in the next issue says he's entered the Odin Sleep.
It also says that Galactus is hungry -he fed in the beginning of the arc- and that he's severely damaged. Like I said, he fixed his helmet but that's only superficial. Now Odin will be jobbing if he doesn't stomp Galactus in the next issue.
Originally posted by zopzop
Fact : Odin stalemated Galactus in a TP battle
Fact : Odin KOed himself and Galactus by ramming into him
Fact : Galactus recovered, while Odin mysteriously went into Odinsleep
Speculation :Spoiler:
Going by solicits and preview scans, Odin himself could have reformed just like Galactus did but chose to enter the Destroyer Armor insteadGalactus fans shouldn't be too proud of this showing. ONE Skyfather was giving Galactus a hard time, imagine the entire Council? Now contrast this to the time the Skyfathers met the Celestials, see the difference?
My facts are more factual than your half-truths.
Fact 1: Odin initiated TP.
Fact 2: Odin tells Galactus to get out of his head.
Fact 3: Galactus refuses and Odin breaks off the attack he initiated because he no longer could/no longer wanted to sustain a TP battle.
Fact 4: Odin rammed into Galactus
Fact 4a: Galactus was stationary
Fact 4b: Galactus had no defenses
Fact 5: Double KO plummet to earth
Fact 6: Odin mumbles to Thor weakly. While this is happening, in the background you see Galactus' energies percolating.
Fact 7: Galactus reconstitutes and stars getting ready his machinery, etc.
Fact 8: Odin enters Odinsleep
Speculation: Odin enters the destroyer shortly thereafter.
Nothing in the preview remotely indicates that he could have reformed if he wanted to. Where do you infer that Odin weighed his options and decides to enter the Armor to enhance his durability rather than rise up?
...And does it matter? His choosing to go into the destroyer armor, as I said countless times, is most telling. No matter how you rationalize it you can't get over the fact that Odin is getting an external amp for a contest that he is losing in. That's it.
yes, contrast the 4th host, who actually were fighting back against odin in the destroyer. vs. a stationary Galactus with no shields, no offense, nothing except being as passive as a fern tree.
Do YOU see the difference?
meh, the issues off-set each other imo. you talk about how g didn't use any defense. odin used a HEADBUTT. clearly neither was portrayed at their best so the issue is a wash. the fact that g stood there could be attributed to his usual arrogance perhaps? maybe he didn't believe odin capable of hurting him? i don't know. or maybe it was just some of the worst writing penned in a comic......
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
My facts are more factual than your half-truths.Fact 1: Odin initiated TP.
Fact 2: Odin tells Galactus to get out of his head.
Fact 3: Galactus refuses and Odin breaks off the attack he initiated because he no longer could/no longer wanted to sustain a TP battle.
Fact 4: Odin rammed into Galactus
Fact 4a: Galactus was stationary
Fact 4b: Galactus had no defenses
Fact 5: Double KO plummet to earth
Fact 6: Odin mumbles to Thor weakly. While this is happening, in the background you see Galactus' energies percolating.
Fact 7: Galactus reconstitutes and stars getting ready his machinery, etc.
Fact 8: Odin enters Odinsleep
Speculation: Odin enters the destroyer shortly thereafter.Nothing in the preview remotely indicates that he could have reformed if he wanted to. Where do you infer that Odin weighed his options and decides to enter the Armor to enhance his durability rather than rise up?
...And does it matter? His choosing to go into the destroyer armor, as I said countless times, is most telling. No matter how you rationalize it you can't get over the fact that Odin is getting an external amp for a contest that he is losing in. That's it.
yes, contrast the 4th host, [b]who actually were fighting back against odin in the destroyer
. vs. a stationary Galactus with no shields, no offense, nothing except being as passive as a fern tree.Do YOU see the difference? [/B]
Fact : Galactus had his hands full with ONE skyfather, how else do you explain him unable to defend himself when Thor flew at him full speed causing him to cry out in pain.
Fact : Arishem just STOOD there as THREE skyfathers blasted him in the chest and he didn't even flinch.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wonder how Odin ends up in the Destroyer. It activates before he fully collapses and the summary in the next issue says he's entered the Odin Sleep.
Is it confirmed to be Odin or are people still suspecting it to be the case?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Now Odin will be jobbing if he doesn't stomp Galactus in the next issue.
In your opinion 😛
Originally posted by Utrigita
Is it confirmed to be Odin or are people still suspecting it to be the case?In your opinion 😛
I got it from here:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3635&page=18
If Galactus is weakened and injured, Odin should tear him a new one in the Destroyer.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I got it from here:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3635&page=18If Galactus is weakened and injured, Odin should tear him a new one in the Destroyer.
Yes I was aware of the severe wounded part, it was more the Odin entering the destroyer, that was of interest to me, but based on the link it's still, imo, speculation.
While it based on the last 5 issues would be the most logical thing to conclude I highly doubt it, given what Fraction have portrayed so far, to be the case. I kinda see Asgard getting rather wrecked and the Destroyer managing to fend of Galactus barely or some crap like that. When a guy that says he wants the battle between the two to be epic and it ends in a headbutt, well....