Originally posted by Stealth MooseUnless Thor is human in this fight I don't see the relevance...
You realize that Magneto in the movie can generate enough force to lift the Golden Gate bridge without apparent effort, right? He can crush cars with a gesture.Contrast this with Thor who was pimp-slapped by a robot and immediately dead.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I agree with the guided lightning feat but he also commanded that blast he did on Loki. And all that required was a scream.Thor does have lightning feats that required only a thought.
Yeah, you don't know what you're taking about yet again. The scene where he's on his back on the Bifrost; surrounded by Loki and his mirages, Thor yells "enough" and thrust Mjolnir out in front of his to release the lightning.
So in that attack he manually needed to use the hammer again to produce lightning.
Magneto thinking > Thor using hammer, in terms of speed. Just accept it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, you don't know what you're taking about yet again. The scene where he's on his back on the Bifrost; surrounded by Loki and his mirages, Thor yells "enough" and thrust Mjolnir out in front of his to release the lightning.So in that attack he manually needed to use the hammer again to produce lightning.
It's hillarious how this has become a quickdraw contest. Good to see.
Magneto thinking > Thor using hammer, in terms of speed. Just accept it.
It's hillarious how this has become a quickdraw contest. Good to see.
Originally posted by the ninjak
He screamed enough. The hammer is gonna be in his hand whether you like it or not.It's hillarious how this has become a quickdraw contest. Good to see.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about, he had to manually use/move the hammer to produce lightning in that scene too. Thor wants to produce lighting it takes physical movement, just accept this.
He wasn't completely prone and just thought "lightning" and it happened as you think. Maybe watch the movie and actually pay attention this time; then come debate.
Speed matters in most fights, especially when either opponent can undo the other with one move, so it's nothing new.
Originally posted by Mindset
Unless Thor is human in this fight I don't see the relevance...
He's not restored to God status, which removes any supernatural resistance according to the TC. Yes, he has the powers of his armor and hammer, but he's not immortal. Magneto can exert enough force through metal to lift something which was 887,000 tons as of 1986.
Now, Thor's tissues are "several times" that of a normal human. If you're going by comic book Thor, he becomes almost indestructible and incredibly strong. But if this is movie Thor, he's lacking Odin Force, and his physical durability isn't into the realm of indestructible.
So let's compare the relative powers here:
Magneto can pretty much exert enough force to manipulate and crush Thor with any metal in excess of thousands of tons.
Thor can smash Mags really hard if he gets the chance.
Magneto wraps a Buick around Thor's head. GG.
Originally posted by Robtard
Honest question, are you purposely being a fool (cos I don't think I've seen this side of you before) to have a laugh?
I usually have a humorous attitude to most of my posts. And I agree sometimes I debate for the sake of it. But it's how I explore options to turn the fight around. This thread would've ended in 3 posts and we wouldn't have learnt a few things about Thor😛.
Look. I knew this was a spite thread from the start. I knew that Mags should would able to do what you guys have been saying.
-Thor's arms are encased in metal mail. and Magneto could quickly pin him in the air arms out so he can't throw the hammer.
-Thor's chest plate could crush him. Though he can withstand powerful damage, I agree that Mags will crush him soon enough but not without an initial struggle. My point was that Thor would have enough time to blast Erik.
I also thought that Thor's burst lightning feat was done in a moment of anger and any movement of his body could only be purely physical expression. Why does Thor need to aim the hammer at someone to blast them with lightning???
The Hammer is just a tool, it's Thor who's concentrating on the target.
I haven't had time to see the film again and see that scene. But it was the ace up my damn sleeve. Until I see that scene again.
Magneto wins.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
He's not restored to God status, which removes any supernatural resistance according to the TC. Yes, he has the powers of his armor and hammer, but he's not immortal. Magneto can exert enough force through metal to lift something which was 887,000 tons as of 1986.
Thor either has God status or he is mortal in the film. I don't think there was ever a third state.
Thor in the beginning of Thor is no different than the Thor at the end besides being wiser.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Now, Thor's tissues are "several times" that of a normal human. If you're going by comic book Thor, he becomes almost indestructible and incredibly strong. But if this is movie Thor, he's lacking Odin Force, and his physical durability isn't into the realm of indestructible.
Though in the film he withstood a blast that killed King Jaufrey. Took a punch to the noggin from a 17 tonne giant and just smiled when he landed. Nothing has actually hurt Thor besides his brother. If Thor went alone to Nifelheim alone he would have killed those giants.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Why does Thor need to aim the hammer at someone to blast them with lightning???
The Hammer is just a tool, it's Thor who's concentrating on the target.
It would seem that Thor's lightning attacks come from Mjolnir's powers and are not part of Thor's arsenal. Same thing with flying, Thor needs Mjolnir to fly.
Thanks for coming clean when asked.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Thor either has God status or he is mortal in the film. I don't think there was ever a third state.
Thor in the beginning of Thor is no different than the Thor at the end besides being wiser.Though in the film he withstood a blast that killed King Jaufrey. Took a punch to the noggin from a 17 tonne giant and just smiled when he landed. Nothing has actually hurt Thor besides his brother. If Thor went alone to Nifelheim alone he would have killed those giants.
Yes, it was like they were all scared of being cornerd and outnumbered until Odin showed up, but Thor was pretty much wiping out everyone and everything. That floor strike that created a massive concussive blast just about destroyed the whole fighting area by itself. His lighting would take out a lot more. One of his throws alone took out about a dozen frost giants. He one shotted that giant dog thing, and he essentially one-shotted the Asgardian destroyer which was a major defense system for Asgard. The warriors 3 and Sif may be toast, but he could also just fly up and create lighting strikes until everyone lay in a cooked heap of death, yay.
Anyway, Magneto could probably crush him but he better do it fast. I'm unsure if mjolnir oould be stopped by Mags.