Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Robtard
At his mercy from getting hit another ten times and suffering a second small cut on his lip and/or small bruise. Oh mercy.

Van Zane headbutts pack the force of his punches, which is not much.

McClane is an unbreakable punching bag that punches back and ends up killing you.

FFS, this midget with a Jew-Fro was more impressive at facing a dragon than Van Zan.

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

McClane benefits from having guns near him just out of reach to make it more suspenseful when he unloads into his opponents. That won't be occurring here. Van Zan effectively hunts and kills dragons going up against some cop will be like a spinning class to him.

I bet even Bruce Willis would agree Van Zan wins here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Unlike McClanen he beat his opponent soundly just with his fists and didn't suffer any damage unlike McClane who gets pounded every flick by random crooks.

McClane benefits from having guns near him just out of reach to make it more suspenseful when he unloads into his opponents. That won't be occurring here. Van Zan effectively hunts and kills dragons going up against some cop will be like a spinning class to him.

I bet even Bruce Willis would agree Van Zan wins here.

And unlike McClane he beat some average guy, compared to the highly-trained mercenaries and soldiers McClane faces. But again, this "beat" Quinn took netted him a bruise and cut lip, so you're exaggerating/masturbating Zan Van.

Van Zan hunts dragons with a team, weapons and a gunship at his back. As pointed out, Jew-Fro Dragon Slayer was more impressive.

Bruce Willis would kick Matthew McKindagay's ass up and down the block.

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Originally posted by Robtard
And unlike McClane he beat some average guy, compared to the highly-trained mercenaries and soldiers McClane faces. But again, this "beat" Quinn took netted him a bruise and cut lip, so you're exaggerating/masturbating Zan Van.

Van Zan hunts dragons with a team, weapons and a gunship at his back. As pointed out, Jew-Fro Dragon Slayer was more impressive.

Bruce Willis would kick Matthew McKindagay's ass up and down the block.

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Yes, Van Zan does hunt them with a team and has killed them with teams. Dragons are a lot harder to kill then random terrorist threat McClane is getting his face pounded in by.

My argument is supported by both movies. Van Zan kicks his ass and when McClane can't find a crutch(his gun) he dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quinn wasn't an average guy. He was the leader of a group of human beings still alive in this post apocalyptic dragon hell.

Yes, Van Zan does hunt them with a team and has killed them with teams. Dragons are a lot harder to kill then random terrorist threat McClane is getting his face pounded in by.

My argument is supported by both movies. Van Zan kicks his ass and when McClane can't find a crutch(his gun) he dies.

From a fighting H2H standpoint, Quinn was average. He threw a few punches is all.

Except McClane is not a dragon and Van Zan doesn't have his team, weapons and gunship at his back. McClane has experience taking down guys better than Van Zan.

You have no argument and nothing except Van Zan barely being able to beat down an average guy as support. As I said, come back when you have a proper argument and opponent for McClane. Van Zan isn't it.

Originally posted by Robtard
From a fighting H2H standpoint, Quinn was average. He threw a few punches is all.

Except McClane is not a dragon and Van Zan doesn't have his team, weapons and gunship at his back. McClane has experience taking down guys better than Van Zan.

You have no argument and nothing except Van Zan barely being able to beat down an average guy as support. As I said, come back when you have a proper argument and opponent for McClane. Van Zan isn't it.

Yes, Van Zan only needs a team against a dragon as we clearly see even with a sucker shot by the leader of this english colony he mops the floor with him.

The evidence and both characters histories support my conclusion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The fight started off with a suckerpunch to Zan. After he took his vest off he wrecked quinn to the point of ridiculousness.

Yes, Van Zan only needs a team against a dragon as we clearly see even with a sucker shot by the leader of this english colony he mops the floor with him.

The evidence and both characters histories support my conclusion.

You can continue to cry about Van Zan "wrecking to ridiculousness" all you want, but Quinn was fine after the fight and only suffered a minor bruise and small cut on his lip. The scene proves you wrong.

No, you need a better opponent for McClane if you wish to take him out. Best get to thinking; I'll be here McWaiting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
MCClane benefited from being the hero who got his butt kicked all the time. Van Zan went up against dragons and successfully hunted them not some small time crooks. Van Zan wins.

There were no smalltime crooks in Die Hard.

Way misrepresented.
Might as well say that the Reign of Fire dudes were fighting your average Gecko.

Not only does McClane win, but he also laughs at how less well Riggs and his Partner Murtaugh would have fared also.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Van Zan jumped off a ****ing rooftop to try to kill a dragon with an axe.

McClane wishes he were half as manly.

Nahhhhh McClane launched himself off of way higher and more dangerous structures, and emerged victorious.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can continue to cry about Van Zan "wrecking to ridiculousness" all you want, but Quinn was fine after the fight and only suffered a minor bruise and small cut on his lip. The scene proves you wrong.

No, you need a better opponent for McClane if you wish to take him out. Best get to thinking; I'll be here McWaiting.

McClane would follow Zan. He'd probably son him and then McClane would fall into line.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
There were no smalltime crooks in Die Hard.

Way misrepresented.
Might as well say that the Reign of Fire dudes were fighting your average Gecko.

Not only does McClane win, but he also laughs at how less well Riggs and his Partner Murtaugh would have fared also.

Nahhhhh McClane launched himself off of way higher and more dangerous structures, and emerged victorious.

Nah, McClane loses but he's no stranger to losing fistfights and relying on a weapon to even the odds.

Sorry man, I'd be more convinced if you said that Richard Simmons beats McClane.

Since seeing the beginning of '2001', the idea that man evolved to a higher state when using tools has been long accepted.
It is not a negative to mention that McClane uses the old tool to whip his enemies.

(That chimp in 2001 grabbed that bone, ran over to the watering hole and claimed it like a f***ing boss.)
🙂

He beat Karl. (Even after Karl had shot him, whilst Mcclane was unarmed....fact that kinda evens out your argument regarding tool usage.)
Can't seen Van Zan pulling that off.

Also, like Robtard says: Even if McClane smashes Van Dan's head all up and down the streets of London - a very likely outcome given Van Dan's appallingly ineffective H2H effectiveness- you'd still have to charge it a McWin....not try to gimp the victory.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sorry man, I'd be more convinced if you said that Richard Simmons beats McClane.

Since seeing the beginning of '2001', the idea that man evolved to a higher state when using tools has been long accepted.
It is not a negative to mention that McClane uses the old tool to whip his enemies.

(That chimp in 2001 grabbed that bone, ran over to the watering hole and claimed it like a f***ing boss.)
🙂

He beat Karl. (Even after Karl had shot him, whilst Mcclane was unarmed....fact that kinda evens out your argument regarding tool usage.)
Can't seen Van Zan pulling that off.

Also, like Robtard says: Even if McClane smashes Van Dan's head all up and down the streets of London - a very likely outcome given Van Dan's appallingly ineffective H2H effectiveness- you'd still have to charge it a McWin....not try to gimp the victory.

The environment he lived in was 100 times more deadly than the world McClane lived in. This alone leads me to believe an environment like this creates more elite warriors than one supercop.

Van Zan wasn't ineffective he won. The woman admitted he'd have killed Quinn had they not pulled him off of him. Curbing someone is a great showing whereas most of McClane's fights are back and forth wit him usually receiving a heft asskicking every time he fights someone above henchman status.

You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was fine after Van Zan was pulled off of him. Zan dominated him like many baddies have been known physically to dominate McClane. The scene along with McClane's history proves McClane gets dominated.

McClane would follow Zan. He'd probably son him and then McClane would fall into line.

Quinn was fine because Van Zan hits like he has cotton-balls instead of fist apparently.

McClane being hit/beat during a fight isn't being "dominated" considering he's left standing at the end and his opponents are left only to be seen in re-runs.

Again, you have no valid argument and repeating failed ones over ad over won't make them true, the movies > your wishes. Go back to the drawing board and find a proper opponent for McClane. "I dare you, I double-dog dare you, mother****er."

Originally posted by Impediment
You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm

Originally posted by Robtard
Quinn was fine because Van Zan hits like he has cotton-balls instead of fist apparently.

McClane being hit/beat during a fight isn't being "dominated" considering he's left standing at the end and his opponents are left only to be seen in re-runs.

Again, you have no valid argument and repeating failed ones over ad over won't make them true, the movies > your wishes. Go back to the drawing board and find a proper opponent for McClane. "I dare you, I double-dog dare you, mother****er."

Yes, due to weapons aiding him in numerous fights.

Show me anyone beating up Zan to prove your point. I can show you characters kicking McClane's ass all day long.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's the spirit. Quinn was fine because they pulled him off. That's why.

Yes, due to weapons aiding him in numerous fights.

Show me anyone beating up Zan to prove your point. I can show you characters kicking McClane's ass all day long.

Quinn was fine because Van Zan punches like a little girl. He hit Quinn with 5-6 punches, a head-butt and then held Quinn's head down and laid into him 2-3 more times unrestricted. Damage to Quinn: Mild bruising and a cut lip. This is a fact, no more arguing it with you.

Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I don't need to, Van Zan having one fight against an average fighter and showing he punches like Shirley Temple Vs four movies worth of McClane kicking ass prove you wrong. This is yet another fact; no more arguing it with you.

Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane is no slouch when it comes to hand to hand fighting but Van Zan effectively dominated the leader of the post apocalyptic survivors himself after the fight started off on a cheapshot.

The environment he lived in was 100 times more deadly than the world McClane lived in. This alone leads me to believe an environment like this creates more elite warriors than one supercop.

Van Zan wasn't ineffective he won. The woman admitted he'd have killed Quinn had they not pulled him off of him. Curbing someone is a great showing whereas most of McClane's fights are back and forth wit him usually receiving a heft asskicking every time he fights someone above henchman status.

They lived in a world with no libraries left, no net, no nothing.
I reckon that the massive lack of Dojos evident in the movie, paired with the above mentioned lack of alternate methods of training, would rate the DH villains as better trained...even the more mundane henchmen. Hamster boy would have stomped the average ROF combatant.

I don't know how you'd arrive at that conclusion having watched all four Die Hard movies.

Harlem whilst wearing a sign that says "I hates n***ers" was pretty dangerous even just by itself.

Originally posted by Impediment
You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm

Ha.
Riggs beating McClane...

Only a Liberace would say that....

😛

McVictory... 💃 💃 💃

Originally posted by Robtard
Quinn was fine because Van Zan punches like a little girl. He hit Quinn with 5-6 punches, a head-butt and then held Quinn's head down and laid into him 2-3 more times unrestricted. Damage to Quinn: Mild bruising and a cut lip. This is a fact, no more arguing it with you.

Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I don't need to, Van Zan having one fight against an average fighter and showing he punches like Shirley Temple Vs four movies worth of McClane kicking ass prove you wrong. This is yet another fact; no more arguing it with you.

Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

So what if he's broken a neck you have to take all his beatdowns along with the one time he broke someone's neck. When you factor them all in Zan looks far superior.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They lived in a world with no libraries left, no net, no nothing.
I reckon that the massive lack of Dojos evident in the movie, paired with the above mentioned lack of alternate methods of training, would rate the DH villains as better trained...even the more mundane henchmen. Hamster boy would have stomped the average ROF combatant.

I don't know how you'd arrive at that conclusion having watched all four Die Hard movies.

Harlem whilst wearing a sign that says "I hates n***ers" was pretty dangerous even just by itself.

Yes, that was dangerous but paled in comparison to take on a dragon.

Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.

The horror! herbha-son2

The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whether his neck was broken or not the movie made it clear had they continued Quinn would have died. That's a stomp in Zan's favor. You trying to minimize a stomp mainly due to the fact McClane rarely ever stomps an above henchmen type opponent with his fists is so transparent.

So what if he's broken a neck you have to take all his beatdowns along with the one time he broke someone's neck. When you factor them all in Zan looks far superior.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane.