Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.

The horror! herbha-son2

The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I hope you're not talking about when McClane fell down some stairs and accidentally broke someones neck.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.

The horror! herbha-son2

The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm.

So you're only agreeing because of previous bias and not because Van Zan actually did anything except punch an average guy. Odd, but okay.

Everything mentioned about McClane can be backed up with movie feats. /fact

Yes, clearly I am the biased one.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I hope you're not talking about when McClane fell down some stairs and accidentally broke someones neck.

Accidentally? LoL. Don't let your McBias supersede your logic, you're above that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, clearly I am the biased one.

Considering you're the one basing your option of this fight based solely on previous "McClane wank", it seems so.

Now if my argument was something like"McClane beats Van Zan with his penis", then you'd have a point.

McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight.

I love how Quinn just suddenly becomes an average guy. I guess the star of the movie who has managed successfully to keep his colony intact despite saving their asses from going to their crops before he says so behind is back all leads us to believe, average guy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight.

Getting hit and losing the fight are two different animals. His tactic is to outlast, which he does.

A guy who beat up on an average guy and couldn't do much damage to him isn't outlasting McClane, who has taken extreme punishment throughout four films.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I love how Quinn just suddenly becomes an average guy. I guess the star of the movie who has managed successfully to keep his colony intact despite saving their asses from going to their crops before he says so behind is back all leads us to believe, average guy.

When it comes to fighting, he was. He threw one sucker-punch and did a tiny bit of wrestling and scraping.

It wasn't his H2H fighting skills(thing that matters here) that made him a smart leader and kept his people safe.

Originally posted by Robtard
Getting hit and losing the fight are two different animals. His tactic is to outlast, which he does.

A guy who beat up on an average guy and couldn't do much damage to him isn't outlasting McClane, who has taken extreme punishment throughout four films.

He's taken extreme punishment thoughout four films because he gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight. Quans right, he only wins through PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
👆 The only reason he survives is due to being the star not because he's some elite hand to hand fighter who manages to find a way either through help or a weapon nearby.

LoL. The "he's the hero" tactic is pure fail and irrelevant in the MVF. But I guess you had to try.

As I said over and over, Van Zan isn't it, go find a proper match for McClane; I'm confidant you can. You're beating a dead horse here.

Originally posted by Robtard
When it comes to fighting, he was. He threw one sucker-punch and did a tiny bit of wrestling and scraping.

It wasn't his H2H fighting skills(thing that matters here) that made him a smart leader and kept his people safe.

He wasn't average that's for sure. Maybe he wasn't elite but neither is McClane. McClane is just a punching bag in the end.

It's like saying the hero of the comic beats the villain because he does in every comic. The hero is supposed to live in a forum McClane doesn't win because he's the star he can and will lose.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's taken extreme punishment thoughout four films because he gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight. Quans right, he only wins through PIS.

Fail argument and getting hit is not "getting the shit kicked out of him in every fight". Ali got hit plenty of times, yet still won fights.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. The "he's the hero" tactic is pure fail and irrelevant in the MVF. But I guess you had to try.

As I said over and over, Van Zan isn't it, go find a proper match for McClane; I'm confidant you can. You're beating a dead horse here.

You tried turning a onesided stomp of Zan's into a low performance when McClane gets sonned in every picture he's in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fail argument and getting hit is not "getting the shit kicked out of him in every fight". Ali got hit plenty of times, yet still won fights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Can Zan being a beast. The guy was a dragon killer and a military guy. Even though Quinn kept his body in great shape he was no match for Zan. The guy lived for combat.

He wasn't average that's for sure. Maybe he wasn't elite but neither is McClane. McClane is just a punching bag in the end.

It's like saying the hero of the comic beats the villain because he does in every comic. The hero is supposed to live in a forum McClane doesn't win because he's the star he can and will lose.

You can find a proper match for McClane, I know you can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can find a proper match for McClane, I know you can do it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ali didn't win his fights by reaching for a handgun.

Ali also didn't fight highly trained mercenaries with guns, knives and explosives. He fought in a ring with a ref and rules. McClane has to deal with the law of Tooth and Claw; he done it well in four films.