Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane · Movie Versus Forum

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he took on an elite fighter. Based off of everything claiming he's average without proof is illogical.
Most on this forum think McClane is a board joke and comment on it. You've damaged the character before I ever even came here. Blame yourself for the McClane resentment. I'm just an honest guy trying to debate fictional movie characters here.

Van Zan showed nothing "elite", so you premise is flawed once again.

Glad you admit your resentment towards McClane. Let it go, he's just a fictional character.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Robtard
Van Zan showed nothing "elite", so you premise is flawed once again.
Glad you admit your resentment towards McClane. Let it go, he's just a fictional character.

Easily stomping someone who started a fight with a sucker shot is pretty elite. Getting your ass handed to you over multiple movies isn't elite it shows a degree of luck.

Your words sting me. I'm a huge die hard fan.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Easily stomping someone who started a fight with a sucker shot is pretty elite. Getting your ass handed to you over multiple movies isn't elite it shows a degree of luck.
Your words sting me. I'm a huge die hard fan.

No, it's not in of itself considering the opponent and the inability to do much damage. Winning over multiple movies is more "elite" than bruising Joe Average.

The truth can be painful.

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Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's not in of itself considering the opponent and the inability to do much damage. Winning over multiple movies is more "elite" than bruising Joe Average.
The truth can be painful.

Crushing your opponent is more elite then being dominated and pulling out a lucky win.

I guess if you win no matter how lucky it's more impressive than completely dominating a guy. Weird.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

If a guy dominates you then you end his life, that revenge/win tastic.

Nothing weird about that.

A Van Zan won't be doing much dominating here though, with little girly, cissy punches like that.

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If a guy dominates you then you end his life, that revenge/win tastic.
Nothing weird about that.
A Van Zan won't be doing much dominating here though, with little girly, cissy punches like that.

They had to save Quinn's life. That's utter domination. How often has McClane dominated a guy who started the fight by sucker punching McClane ?

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

As you can see by the last answer, this question is a big old strawmanny Strawman.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent

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Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

18 marines died just after that, by McClane's hand, IIRC...

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As you can see by the last answer, this question is a big old strawmanny Strawman.

Concession accepted.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
18 marines died just after that, by McClane's hand, IIRC...

Not only that, but beforehand and what directly relates to this fight, McClane kicked the piss out of J.J.'s dad and then took everything Col. Stuart could dish, back to back.

Those guys weren't average and their punches/kicks could cause more than minor bruising and cut lips.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

How strange..
None was offered.

😕

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Originally posted by Robtard
Not only that, but beforehand and what directly relates to this fight, McClane kicked the piss out of J.J.'s dad and then took everything Col. Stuart could dish, back to back.
Those guys weren't average and their punches/kicks could cause more than minor bruising and cut lips.

Aye man...!
Trained pentagon badasses.

Both ended up as McFertilizer.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent

I would love to agree with you quanchi, but Rob and Sadko are in the right in this case. I know Van Zan hunts dragons and all that good stuff, but none of that really correlates with a H2H fight a a human. Van Zan's never taken on a Dragon with his bare hands. Hell, didn't he need a helicopter? And when he did go head on with the dragon at the end, it simply ate him. On the other hand, McClane is not only a better fighter style-wise, but a can a massive beating, and then some, and keep going. Simply, Van Zan, for all his machsimo, doesn't have the feats to back him up in this fight. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

The truth /\

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
How strange..
None was offered.
😕

Denton imo could let McClane have two free punches and still headbutt him into submission.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent

Originally posted by quanchi112
Denton imo could let McClane have two free punches and still headbutt him into submission.

Where does Denton show this durability? Especially against someone who tanks shit like McClane does?

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Originally posted by Lestov16
Where does Denton show this durability? Especially against someone who tanks shit like McClane does?

When he shrugs off a cheapshot with no damage practically at all by Quinn.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he shrugs off a cheapshot with no damage practically at all by Quinn.

That's not the same. At all. I doubt Quinn is even in McClane's weight class

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's not the same. At all. I doubt Quinn is even in McClane's weight class

You're right a cheapshot isn't the same as two free hits. He will brace himself whereas against Quinn he just got cheapshotted.