Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Now he's using quan's tactic of lying about what people have said.

My apologies. Let me clarify:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Post scenes of McClane winning a straight fight (not using a weapon other than his hands, so the guy who got his head crushed in DH2 doesn't count, nor Karl's bro in DH1 who got killed with the stairs) in which his opponent is not caught of guard, so thus not including:
-The guy he caught off guard and one-hit KOed in DH1
-The guy he caught off guard and neck snapped in DH4
- the [b]extremely brief moment in which he had an advantage against Lihn, which he got by catching her off guard
-The innocent bystander he caught off guard and one-hit KOed in DH5
- the mook he caught off guard and one-hit KOed in DH5

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Post these McClane straight fight wins, and immediately afterward I'll post every Van Zan feat up to and including him eating and sleeping if you want. It shouldn't be too hard for you 🙂

That's a post from you, where is the post where I made this "supposed" claim that you're demanding I back up?

I misunderstood you. My apologies. Let's move past this and just post the scenes as I stated above.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I misunderstood you. My apologies. Let's move past this and just post the scenes as I stated above.

That list came after I asked you to back up your claim, why should I bow to your demands when you refuse to back up the claims you've actually made?

Why are you refusing to answer when you know I will immediately answer afterwards? You could easily just list the feats and bam, you'd have me cornered. Just post the feats. It's not hard. Or at least it shouldn't be.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Why are you refusing to answer when you know I will immediately answer afterwards? You could easily just list the feats and bam, you'd have me cornered. Just post the feats. It's not hard. Or at least it shouldn't be.

I could ask you the same question, why are you refusing to back up your claim and instead demanding that I post feats to match some ridiculous list you made up?

BTW, considering that thus far you've refused to back up your claim, I have no reason to trust your word.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Why are you refusing to answer when you know I will immediately answer afterwards? You could easily just list the feats and bam, you'd have me cornered. Just post the feats. It's not hard. Or at least it shouldn't be.

They already were posted.
McClane has KO'd 3 people with just fists.

Van Zan NEVER knocked anyone out.

So all this dancing and crying is impressing no-one, Liz.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That's a post from you, where is the post where I made this "supposed" claim that you're demanding I back up?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I could ask you the same question, why are you refusing to back up your claim and instead demanding that I post feats to match some ridiculous list you made up?

BTW, considering that thus far you've refused to back up your claim, I have no reason to trust your word.

Post these feats of McClane KOing/killing people in a fair H2H match, and I'll back my claim. And your fear that I'm lying is pretty damn hilarious, and an excellent example of your ludicrous and moronic dodging of the fact that McClane can only win H2H via cheapshots because he's just a cop, and will obviously go down to the H2H skills of a trained soldier like Van Zan.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Post these feats of McClane KOing/killing people in a fair H2H match, and I'll back my claim.

Why are you railroading McClane to boxing rules? This is a street fight, there are no rules, there would be no ref.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You concede, we get it.

Don't worry. I'm expecting a lot more of Silent Master's "Back your claims of Van Zan KOing and killing people in H2H (when did I make this claim, BTW? )", so he can continuously dodge that he has no argument and McClane's shitty H2H displays and frequent getting-ass-kicked-ness prove it.

Lying isn't going to work, as I can simply repost the claim I'm asking you to prove. See below.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I understand, but once again, he caught those guys off guard. He's horribly lost every fair H2H fight he's fought except for John Amos.

Now, are you going to back up your claim or are you just going to continue to lie?

You want me to back up the claim that McClane's lost every fair H2H fight he's been in? OK. Give me a couple of hours, but I'll skim through the DH films really quick, including the 5th. I'll introduce you to the McIncompetence.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You want me to back up the claim that McClane's lost every fair H2H fight he's been in? OK. Give me a couple of hours, but I'll skim through the DH films really quick, including the 5th. I'll introduce you to the McIncompetence.

Make sure you post the actual clips, because as a proven liar, your word isn't going to be good enough.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why are you railroading McClane to boxing rules? This is a street fight, there are no rules, there would be no ref.

The best part, if he manages to post any clips, they are going to destroy his own argument as to what counts as a 'fair fight". As he's already tried to use a scene where McClane was injured and the other guy had a knife.

The guys bias n here, whilst claiming to be objective in the social thread to escape recognition as a hatetroll is hilarious.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Hmm.....

You know what, I'm going to change my mind again. I think McClane will win. Dude was taking rifle butts to the face which would have KOed/killed the average man with one hit. If those didn't harm him, I don't see Van Zan's punches doing anything. And as you stated, he had no other H2H techniques. Maybe if he snapped someone's neck I could make an argument there, but he didn't. And Van Zan is good, but IDK if he'll have the speed advantage of Lihn, and Van Zan wasn't displaying the karate kicks Stuart used to put McClane down. Even then, McClane got a good leg sweep in. If McClane leg sweeps, then lands a couple of his DH5 punches to Van Zan, IDK if Van Zan can withstand. At least Jack Bauer is extremely durable and can snap necks like twigs, so I can make an argument for him. But Van Zan lacks both of those traits, so Ill say he only takes 3/10.

Woodchipper thread is bullshit though 😐

If this were DH4 McClane, I'd give Van Zan the slight win. After DH5 though, IDK if I can do it.

I wouldn't ever give Van Zan it.
He cannot damage people. Even with 5 free shots and a headbutt. Total zero damage.
Against Moonlighting's David Addison he might draw, but McClane? (or any other character Willis plays, for that matter) Van Zan gets straight up brutally murdered.

Oh so you saw it?

Originally posted by Lestov16
If this were DH4 McClane, I'd give Van Zan the slight win. After DH5 though, IDK if I can do it.

What feats does Van Zan have to justify beating someone with pre-DH5 McClane's damage soak?

He got destroyed by Lihn. Stupidity is literally the only reason she turned her back to him. Also, he struggled with a random mook whom grabbed him from behind, and couldn't overpower him, so he had to grab the guy's gun from his holster, shoot him in the foot to escape, and kill him. Given how he struggled with that mook, I think Van Zan could take him.