Thanos vs the worthy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not shaming Thanos. Just highlighting how far more powerful Maker was because you keep trying to clumsily lump them together. I don't know how many more times I can point out and rip into your blatantly obvious mere association fallacy. Stop repeating it, stop trying to act like it's proven anything. Thor defeated the Odinforce-empowered, Dark God-amalgam, skyfather-level being, Zelia. Associating Thor with her doesn't catapult Thor beyond high herald level. Thor nearly killed Beta Ray Bill with several shots. Stop acting like high heralds haven't been utterly wrecked before. Thanos doing it on a somewhat more consistent basis doesn't even remotely suggest that he can defeat 8 Thor-level beings simultaneously, a feat even greater than that performed by DP Tyrant. Low heralds don't curbstomp Rulk, Namor underwater, or Bleeding Edge Iron Man. Get your head out of your rear and read some Fear Itself tie-ins. Thor's deflected a blast from Gungnir, stop acting like Gungnir is the Odinsword. And Thanos got one-shotted by Maker. You're showing up yourself. Carry your ridiculous avy/sig in silence with some humility. Being butt-hurt doesn't justify your increasingly bizarre brazenness with your hasty overgeneralizations and hyperbolic statements.

An insane, bloodlusted Thor almost killed someone who was trying to help him....and? "Curbstomping" a Rulk that's NOT USING ALL HIS POWERS for fear he'll stay stuck in Rulk form isn't impressive. Namor sucks period so..... What else have the Worthy done that says they are Thor level beings? I'll wait.

Not ONE of the Worthy is Thor level, I challenge you to prove that statement, the only one who possibly came close was Worthy Cain with Cytorrak's power thorwn in the mix.

Thor using an ELITE ARTIFACT deflected a blast from Gungnir? And? Four of those hammers held up all the multiverse. Thanos MUSCLED through a Gungnir blast and wrestled Odin for control of the spear.

Thanos has a history of battling and surviving against far more impressive beings than the Worthy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos didn't own the Maker. Thanos talked her down while in her psychotic vulnerable mortal form and lobotomized her psychotic vulnerable mortal form. Let's not pretend them eye beams were among the greatest of Thanos' blasting attacks. Thor "waxed" Beta Ray Bill and Surfer at the same time. They're not Thor-level beings? Stop pretending to be so narrow-minded. You know this is a loser of an argument. Even Fear Itself and its tie-ins are replete with clear, obvious statements of how the Worthy are each Thor-level in power. And the statements are backed up with feats. She one-shotted Thanos. And the scale of every blast thereafter was far smaller. Thanos is capable of beating a Cube Being (who herself was capable of one-shotting him out of petulance), so long as the Cube Being holds back such blasts and places herself into a vulnerable mortal form. Thor "owned" the Odinforce-empowered, Dark God amalgam, skyfather level Zelia straight up. That doesn't justify conflating the two through a blatant association fallacy.

Thanos getting one-shotted, then killing a mentally unstable, vulnerable Cube Being in a mortal body with pew-pew lasres from his eyes =/= evidence he can beat 8 Thor level beings simultaneously.

I have never said Thanos can beat all 8... what I am saying is he can beat more than Thor did. Whether that is 4 or 5 or 6 I guess depends on highly you rate the Worthy and Thanos.

Can you post the scans of Thanos talking down The maker before any of her subsequent blasts? You act like he mentally attacked her first, which couldn't be further from the truth. They exchanged blasts first... Thanos casually dealing with her blasts this time when he was prepared for a fight.. THEN and ONLY THEN did he subdue her mentally. Do you have a special edition of the comic where Thanos doesn't fight her and exchange blasts and just mind rapes her?

^ I assumed you were defending zopzop's claim. So I'll disregard everything you said.

Originally posted by zopzop
An insane, bloodlusted Thor almost killed someone who was trying to help him....and? "Curbstomping" a Rulk that's NOT USING ALL HIS POWERS for fear he'll stay stuck in Rulk form isn't impressive. Namor sucks period so..... What else have the Worthy done that says they are Thor level beings? I'll wait.

Not ONE of the Worthy is Thor level, I challenge you to prove that statement, the only one who possibly came close was Worthy Cain with Cytorrak's power thorwn in the mix.

Retarded.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thor using an ELITE ARTIFACT deflected a blast from Gungnir? And? Four of those hammers held up all the multiverse. Thanos MUSCLED through a Gungnir blast and wrestled Odin for control of the spear.

Thanos has a history of battling and surviving against far more impressive beings than the Worthy.

So does Thor. Doesn't (and didn't) mean Thor will beat 8 Thor-level beings simultaneously. Oddly enough, you're proving how shallow your own argument is.

I can't even view this special comic where Thanos doesn't engage here in a blasting battle and just mind rapes her from the start? Ur mean then.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I assumed you were defending zopzop's claim. So I'll disregard everything you said. All of your "nuh uhs" don't change the simple and obvious fact that the Worthy are Thor-level beings.

Retarded. And ironically the Worthy each have Mjolnir-type weapons. And frankly speaking, normal Thor has had bigger problems blocking Destroyer's attacks than he did Gungnir. Tanking Gungnir and eventually being pounded into the ground doesn't prove Thanos can beat 8 Thor-level beings with Mjolnir copies simultaneously.

So does Thor. Doesn't (and didn't) mean Thor will beat 8 Thor-level beings simultaneously. Oddly enough, you're proving how shallow your own argument is.

A) You have yet to PROVE the Worthy are Thor level beings, so I'm still waiting on that.

B) It's not "nuh uhs", Thor WAS bloodlusted and BRB WAS trying to talk sense into him. Rulk WASN'T using his energy absorption powers during the Worthy Thing fight for fear of being stuck in Rulk form. Namor DOES suck (in or out of water). If that's the best you got, don't bother responding.

^ They're stated to be Thor level, numerous times. They have Mjolnir copies. And they each have the team-wrecking, low herald-curbstomping feats that Thor-level characters would have. Why you're butt-hurt, I don't know.

Thor wasn't going all-out in Fear Itself against Nul and Angrir? You're not even pointing to a distinction worth noting. Ironically, you're pointing to a similarity. Thor went all-out vs the two pairs. And they were each Thor-level. BRB and Surfer weren't holding back by the end, and if you're relying on the fact that they started out holding back (which is fair), that explains why Thor was not near death at the end of that battle, but he was near death at the end of the Nul/Angrir battle. So once again, you're pointing out a distinction that ironically furthers the applicability of the comparison I made.

All-out Thor beat the phuck out of BRB/Surfer who initially held back and Thor wasn't near death. Doesn't change that BRB and Surfer are Thor-level beings, since they have the stand-alone feats justifying so.

All-out Thor beat the phuck out of Nul/Angrir who didn't hold back and Thor was near death. Doesn't change that Nul and Angrir are Thor-level beings, since they have the stand-alone feats justifying so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't even view this special comic where Thanos doesn't engage here in a blasting battle and just mind rapes her from the start? Ur mean then.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Fair enough, Thor is the most powerful herald, who can give Thanos a good fight each and every time

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ They're stated to be.....

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Originally posted by iceman24567
The almighty force block!

Can't he just absorb the force block, and suddenly Thanos is fighting a sentient force field strong enough to tank his blasts? ^_^

I'm not strong on Creel, but basically he absorbs whatever he touches, right? Thanos uses cosmic blasts, and Creel powers up on them, if they melee he'll just gain Thanos stats, ect?

The fact that it's been 6 months and the worst showing so far is Bendis' favorite Avengers -next to Cage and Jones- giving it their all to barely keep Hulk off balance is in itself a feat. At this point I would have wagered we'd get a scene where some random character like Cannonball knocks one out or something. It almost always happens in big events where the villains engages almost every hero.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You mean where Maker starts using smaller blasts while in her mentally unstable, vulnerable, mortal form (after she one-shotted him)? You want all the context? There it is. If you aren't asserting that Thanos eventually killing Maker in her vulnerable mortal shell with pew-pew lasers is a feat indicative of him beating 8 Thor-level foes simultaneously, there's no point to this discussion.

Still confused a little though.. how was she mentally weaker after she blasts Thanos the first time? Where was it stated she was mentally weaker after that and before they engaged again?

^ She's psychotic. Always has been since she decided to take a vulnerable mortal form.

And zopzop, unsupported statements mean nothing. Which is why I refer you to their feats:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ They're stated to be Thor level, numerous times. They have Mjolnir copies. And they each have the team-wrecking, low herald-curbstomping feats that Thor-level characters would have.

What... what is so hard to understand here? It's like, the most obvious premise of Fear Itself. They literally turned the Worthy into Thors. Is it that utterly fantastic to think *gasp* that they're Thor-level? Really?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ She's psychotic. Always has been since she decided to take a vulnerable mortal form.

And zopzop, unsupported statements mean nothing. Which is why I refer you to their feats: I disagree with your position that Thor defeating but nearly dying to two foes bars either of those foes from being Thor-level. I also disagree with your position that the Worthy haven't shown us feats that are Thor-level. Frankly, just from the circumstances present in the book, their approximate power levels shouldn't be hard to gauge. They were all given Asgardian war hammers, got upgraded and have been wrecking teams and stomping low heralds and nearly killed an all-out Thor himself.

What... what is so hard to understand here? It's like, the most obvious premise of Fear Itself. They literally turned the Worthy into Thors. Is it that utterly fantastic to think *gasp* that they're Thor-level? Really?

Gotcha... so your claim that she was mentally weaker the next time... wasn't factual

your claim that she was mentally subdued by Thanos and there was no attacking.. wasn't factual...

lastly your claim that her blasts were any weaker because she was somehow more vulnerable... wasn't factual...

Got it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Gotcha... so your claim that she was mentally weaker the next time... wasn't factual

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
your claim that she was mentally subdued by Thanos and there was no attacking.. wasn't factual...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
lastly your claim that her blasts were any weaker because she was somehow more vulnerable... wasn't factual...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Got it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What... what is so hard to understand here? It's like, the most obvious premise of Fear Itself. They literally turned the Worthy into Thors. Is it that utterly fantastic to think *gasp* that they're Thor-level? Really?

That pretty much wraps it up.

At it's most basic level, that's all Fear Itself is if you want to dumb things down and get right to the point. A bunch of hammers fall to Earth, various heroes and bad guys pick them up, they become Thor-analogues. They even have the characters in the books say "They have hammers just like Thor" or "So this is what it would be like if Thor went bad" etc.

You can argue the point that Thor's vast catalog of feats is superior as a whole compared to the Worthy, but when you look at their fights, its clear they're intended to be in his overall power level, if not extremely close to it.

Ummm you kinda did... You are making it seem like she was weaker when he beat her the first time.. there is zero evidence to support that. You made is seem like she was mentally weaker when that was never stated or even implised. You can't even say her blasts are weaker as collateral damage means very little. There is no reason to believe her blasts were any weaker at any point. What is more logical, is that Thanos was actually prepared this time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
but when you look at their fights, its clear they're intended to be in his overall power level, if not extremely close to it.

Seriously? So Spider Woman can tear up Thor like she did Worthy Hulk? Because I call bullsh|t if you say yes and if you say no, then how can Worthy Hulk be Thor level?

Worthy Thing would have lost (according to on panel statements) if Rulk didn't hold back and use his energy absorption abilities in that fight.

What has worthy Titania done that puts her in Thor's league power wise?

What has worthy Attuma done? Beat Namor? 😆

The only Worthy that looked like he could give Thor a problem was Worthy Cain and that was because he was stacking power from two Gods. We saw what happened to him once Cytorrak withdrew his support.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You can't even say her blasts are weaker as collateral damage means very little.

Collateral damage means nothing. Remember the Pre Retcon MM blast that Beyonder said could slag several thousand dimensions? The apartment it took place in wasn't even singed. 😆

Just smile and nod at OneDumbG0, Kurupt. It's what I do now.

^ You're an idiot if you think the two situations are analogous. Maker's small handblasts in her subsequent fight were weaker because they weren't full unfettered AoE blasts. There's a huge range difference that can be confirmed merely by looking at the comic and not acting dumber than a 3 year old retard. Throwing out a loaded term like collateral damage doesn't change that. Full AoE Thanos one-shotting blast is more powerful than mere single handblasts that Thanos slaps away with his own hands. Are you ducking fumb to think otherwise? Yes. Really ducking fumb.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm you kinda did... You are making it seem like she was weaker when he beat her the first time.. there is zero evidence to support that. You made is seem like she was mentally weaker when that was never stated or even implised. You can't even say her blasts are weaker as collateral damage means very little. There is no reason to believe her blasts were any weaker at any point. What is more logical, is that Thanos was actually prepared this time.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You're an idiot if you think the two situations are analogous. Maker's small handblasts in her subsequent fight were weaker because they weren't full unfettered AoE blasts. There's a huge range difference that can be confirmed merely by looking at the comic and not acting dumber than a 3 year old retard. Throwing out a loaded term like collateral damage doesn't change that. Full AoE Thanos one-shotting blast is more powerful than mere single handblasts that Thanos slaps away with his own hands. Are you ducking fumb to think otherwise? Yes. Really ducking fumb.

When the arguments fail and on panel evidence isn't there, now the childish insults begin. That's all you have really. Stew in your hate, I love it!

LOL @ "looking at the comic". It was the same comic that had Thanos get up from that sucker shot and then go on to own her. He deflected her blasts, he brought her to her knees, then he shut down her mind. But the collateral damage wasn't there! So I guess what we saw on panel is all meaningless. I guess Odin/Seth are more powerful than the Cosmic Hierarchy summoned to put down Thanos with the IG. I mean all they manged to do was destroy a few solar systems in the immediate vicinity of the battlezone. Odin/Seth destroyed entire GALAXIES, reignited long dead stars throughout the UNIVERSE, and caused the multiverse to shake. 🙄