Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even assuming we take Hulk's boisterous statement at face value, that doesn't mean he was operating at a lower level then previously thought in all his previous showings, it means there was a potential higher level that he was purposely not going to... and considering he is the Hulk and his whole deal is he has no limit on his potential strength, we all already know that...
People are exaggarrating this hole hulk thing. it not different then Wolverine berserk in many regaurds. It pretty much that banner always put up a limitation barrier to prevent the true beast from commign completely out.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I already gave you evidence from that comic, it's your turn.Now, Show me where in that comic Wolverine was stated to be tired or not at 100%
man you really are a troll. it astounding your even still on the boards. You argue in absolutes and simply troll over and over while pretending that your being fair, and ur a snob about it to boot.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No im am nit argueing all those things, s stop projecting arguements I not making onto me. I hate that style of debating. I argueing that the scan you posted is not a likely scenerio for thor to get into against Wolverine. And mainly that was not scenerio srank was discussing when he suggest that it take dozen hits from Thor to put Wolverine down
that's not 'projecting' that's inferring. if it's not likely, WHY isn't it likely? you don't think thor can hit him? you don't think thor can stagger him? because if he CAN stagger him, he CAN follow up. and if he CAN hit him, he CAN stagger him. or are you saying even if he hits him he can't even stagger him?
i'm not worried about what srank said--i know his stance already. you jumped on the scan, not him.....
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when?
That's what I'm asking. Did Gladiator ever hit Logan with anything close to planetoid busting power with his punches?
If Logan has any feats where he tanks a blow resembling the best Thor or Hulk or Gladiator or any top tier character have done, by all means, post them. But you can't honestly sit here and tell me that those characters or DC characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, or Captain Marvel would have to use upwards of dozens of blows to KO Logan, let alone no one period can one shot KO him with physical force capable of leveling countries or destroying entire planets.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk > Gladiator.And Gladiator was rocking Logan with planetoid busting attacks now?
gladiator's standard attacks are on par with anything pre- WW Hulk was capable of. yet he could not KO logan. In the same vein, hulk could not kill logan with blunt force trauma even if banner wanted to.
It's really interesting to find out that despite years of being told and watching Wolverine take the best shots Marvel's top tiers can offer, they were all actually holding back and he can actually be one shotted by Thor.
I know you guys have massive throbbing boners for Thor, but get real. It's apparently very difficult to fathom that Wolverine has a healing factor that affords him damage soak on par or greater to Marvels top tier bricks... but he does. Welcome to Marvel comics circa 30 years ago... would you like me to help you catch up?
Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's not 'projecting' that's inferring. if it's not likely, WHY isn't it likely? you don't think thor can hit him? you don't think thor can stagger him? because if he CAN stagger him, he CAN follow up. and if he CAN hit him, he CAN stagger him. or are you saying even if he hits him he can't even stagger him?
No, I am saying I don't think it likely scenerio that Thor will simply get into the same scenerio as that picture shows with Wolverine laying on the ground and Thor doing a down ward chop to him.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not worried about what srank said--i know his stance already. you jumped on the scan, not him.....
And that was not even the point of my post. Ypu pretty much pick this arguement with me, when i wasent even trying to argue it. My point was that scenerio was not accurate to what srank was suggesting and yet you responded to his post with that scan as if that was an arguement against it, when it was not.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's what I'm asking. Did Gladiator ever hit Logan with anything close to planetoid busting power with his punches?If Logan has any feats where he tanks a blow resembling the best Thor or Hulk or Gladiator or any top tier character have done, by all means, post them.
He has been hit with the best blows Hulk had given prior to pak run. But if I post them you just ignore them, pretending that pak run discredits them, when it doesent.
I not sure why you don't understand that Hulk is just using more powerful blows now, but his blows prior to that were still beyond almost anyone else including the finest class 100s.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No, I am saying I don't think it likely scenerio that Thor will simply get into the same scenerio as that picture shows with Wolverine laying on the ground and Thor doing a down ward chop to him.
you keep saying that... so.... WHY is it so unlikely?? logan's too fast to hit? thor can't stagger him and put him on the ground with a blow?? thor can't keep him down long enough to pound him?? i'm ASKING you.
And that was not even the point of my post. Ypu pretty much pick this arguement with me, when i wasent even trying to argue it. My point was that scenerio was not accurate to what srank was suggesting and yet you responded to his post with that scan as if that was an accuratemet for it, when it was not.
man, stop being so defensive. i'm NOT arguing with you, i'm trying to figure out why you think it's so unlikely for thor to get logan in a compromising position.
and again, YOU jumped on the scan. the little whistler guy was meant to indicate i was half-joking. srank seems to have understood (since he has done his damndest to ignore all my posts.... bastich) the tongue-in-cheek nature of the scan. but now you have made a statement and it falls on you to defend or clarify it. or don't, it doesn't really matter that much to me.....
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's what I'm asking. Did Gladiator ever hit Logan with anything close to planetoid busting power with his punches?If Logan has any feats where he tanks a blow resembling the best Thor or Hulk or Gladiator or any top tier character have done, by all means, post them. But you can't honestly sit here and tell me that those characters or DC characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, or Captain Marvel would have to use upwards of dozens of blows to KO Logan, let alone no one period can one shot KO him with physical force capable of leveling countries or destroying entire planets.
Can you show me Hulk hitting Thor with a punch that replicates their highest offense damage feats? No. Do you assume in those fights they aren't using their full strength despite being told that they are? Welcome to comic books.
Despite being told Wolverine is taking the best attacks from those characters, he isn't? Why? Because the planet isn't destroyed? I guess Hulk and Thor have never gone all out then against one another. Get real. If that is the measure stick I guess Black Adam is a pussy. Earth didn't even get destroyed during WW3. WTF. Apparently the mere act of failing to ko Wolverine, means they weren't going all out. What sort of bullshit circular logic is that? You've been told repeatedly that he can take the best shots of Marvel's top tier bricks. Do you think any of those characters could one shot the Hulk? Or Thor? Wolverine's damage soak is on par with those characters, and in several instances he has taken the same attack as characters like Hercules and Hulk and actually fared better then they did.
Originally posted by cdtm
Because Thor and Hulk, despite holding back against everyone else, suddenly won't against Logan? They'll just magically know he can take it, even though his overall stats are far beneath them..?
We did not just make this shit up, it clearly been implied class 100s don't hold back against wolverine and it well establish they can't kill him. Sentry states as much as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Arguing Logan can "tank" their best blows and ask for more is one thing.Arguing that none of those guys could one shot him is something else.
Wolverine has relatively human level durability. He can take a punch from a guy who can one shot a meteorite twice the size of the earth. Even if someone was 100000000000000000000000 million times stronger then the Hulk, it would be mathematically impossible for them to do more damage to someone with baseline human durability. The damage is has already plateaued. Hulk could flail his arms wildly the shock front would and turn all Wolverine's muscles and organs into mulch. We've been told in narration bubbles that single punch from the Hulk liquifies all of Wolverine's organs. You can't really get more damaging then that. If that doesn't one shot him... what do you think will?
In Wolverine Origins 41, Banner confidently tells Skaar that he can't kill Wolverine. Skaar takes that as a challenge, and delivers what he intends to be a killing blow to the top of Wolverine's skull. Wolverine isn't even knocked out, and this is Wolverine as written by Daniel Way. The idea that the only reason Wolverine isn't knocked out by top tier bricks is because they hold back is just... laughable 😬