Silver surfer vs wwHulk

yes, he said a few times that he is in the right cause of those two specifically. but at the end of the day he believes what he's saying so i think quan and carver can claim defamation lol

Originally posted by h1a8
You must don't know me very well rookie. I have conceded more times than almost anyone here. I have been enlightened many times here. quanchi/carver definitely can't be (at least more than once every 5 years or so).

With that said, the writer clearly showed mega energy coming forth from both before the collision. Also, in the events prior to the collision Hulk was doing great damage with just his gamma energy protruding from his body while just standing around. Thus it is clear that the feat is owed to the fact of the energy coming from both and not the kinetic energy of the collision.

Lastly, it is moot anyway since this is WWH and not WBH nor current WBH. Hulk will never reach WBH level because:

1. He has no reason to (no wish or betrayal here)
2. Surfer could end him well before it happens (this is a forum fight and not a comic one and thus we can go by what a character will do if they fought at their best ability).

the wwh arc was him bluffing to destroy the earth. he could have but he was holding back cause it's the right thing to do, he mainly wanted the illuminati to feel what he felt.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yes, he said a few times that he is in the right cause of those two specifically. but at the end of the day he believes what he's saying so i think quan and carver can claim defamation lol

i'll make sure to tell guy222 to post scans of the entire comic in the spoilage ownage thread from now on cause you missed the part where "wwh" was taught through meditation to harness his rage. his rage is an asset now, even when he is super pissed he can still hold himself back. turning into the hulk and stronger versions of it are easy and under his control like being a super sayajin in the later portions of DBZ

the wwh arc was him bluffing to destroy the earth. he could have but he was holding back cause it's the right thing to do, he mainly wanted the illuminati to feel what he felt.

I agree with this. But you are not understanding that CIS is what comes into play here and that Hulk would not reach WBH levels of strength because he will always hold back in this fight. In other words, he has no reason to go into WB mode.

I hinted at the fact of what you posted here when I mentioned Hulk went into WB mode because of the wish. This means that Hulk can enter that mode anytime he wants but needs a good reason to. And I believe Hulk values other life (especially good guy lives) a little bit more than his own.
Now if you take Hulk with CIS off then this would be a different argument altogether.

only difference between the first and second instances there is that banner wanted to unleash a bit, that's all. he's holding the hulk back cause it's too easy for him to break the planet, not him having to motivate himself to attain that level of strength these days. banner/hulk also has memories of surfer defeating him and whatnot, he's not devoid of emotion or anything in a forum fight

and beating surfer to an inch of his life won't equal killing him in cold blood like banner/hulk wants to avoid, even miek wasn't killed so there goes that shit.

only thing on the table is if surfer can drain hulk like he could do before, i think it would mostly be successful but not at easy as before.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

only difference between the first and second instances there is that banner wanted to unleash a bit, that's all. he's holding the hulk back cause it's too easy for him to break the planet, not him having to motivate himself to attain that level of strength these days. banner/hulk also has memories of surfer defeating him and whatnot, he's not devoid of emotion or anything in a forum fight

and beating surfer to an inch of his life won't equal killing him in cold blood like banner/hulk wants to avoid, even miek wasn't killed so there goes that shit.

only thing on the table is if surfer can drain hulk like he could do before, i think it would mostly be successful but not at easy as before.

Was those scans a preview? If not, then what did Hulk just do in the last scan?

I understand your point but the OP specified WWH and not current Hulk. That means Hulk is fighting at the WWH mindset and not the current one's mindset. WWH refused to draw more energy into himself in fear of breaking the planet. He would do that here as well because of that mindset. Current mindset Hulk may be different based off the scans you just showed (even though I don't know what Hulk did there at the last scan).

But like you said, if Surfer can drain Hulk faster than Hulk can absorb then it is an easy win for him. Surfer has other options though, like black holes, board from behind trick, or planet destroying blasts (if they are not on a habitat-ed planet already).

if you didn't read the comics then why are you arguing these points?

also, everyone on this forum calls hulk "wwh" besides me, and the OP said "both current ss and wwh". he must mean current hulk also known as wwh, the hulk that isn't dumb and is most powerful (applies to "both"😉

Originally posted by psycho gundam
if you didn't read the comics then why are you arguing these points?

also, everyone on this forum calls hulk "wwh" besides me, and the OP said "both current ss and wwh". he must mean current hulk also known as wwh, the hulk that isn't dumb and is most powerful (applies to "both"😉

Lastly, one not always have to read the latest issue if the OP is using an older version of the character.

WWH is not current Hulk. I don't care what anyone says, so don't call him that if you don't want me to refer to him instead of the current version of Hulk. And hardly anyone calls Hulk WWH. They say current Hulk (not WWH).

If fight is on Earth Hulk has a chance to win but will lose due to drain.
If fight is on barren planet then Surfer owns him.

sorry people made a mistake here when i meant current hulk i was trying to refer to the most powerfull or strongest version of hulk , i dont know much about hulk but is wwhulk the strongest one out of the other hulks?

If it's Hulk at his most powerful then he manhandles Surfer.

I mentioned this in another thread but it's confusing when Hulk is called WWH, that's the name of the story nothing more, he never was called World War Hulk at any point. All that needs to be written is Hulk vs "insert character name" as this dimension destroying Hulk, Green Scar, Hulk that took on Zeus, Worldbreaker etc are all the same and are the standard version of Hulk now.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did read the Umar incident. I didn't read the comic of the scans you posted though. Why did you not answer my question? At least PM me if it is a spoiler.

Lastly, one not always have to read the latest issue if the OP is using an older version of the character.

WWH is not current Hulk. I don't care what anyone says, so don't call him that if you don't want me to refer to him instead of the current version of Hulk. And hardly anyone calls Hulk WWH. They say current Hulk (not WWH).

If fight is on Earth Hulk has a chance to win but will lose due to drain.
If fight is on barren planet then Surfer owns him.

He just posted a scan of BANNER going from his human form to WB mode almost instantly. That should be proof enough that he has COMPLETE control of his power. The crazy thing about all of this is "he is still holding back his power".

Surfer isn't draining Hulk...if Armageddon failed...someone that was draining the life out of Surfer, then Surfer sure as hell isn't doing it.

Lol...planet destroying attacks will kill him? A planet along with nearby planets exploded during his fight against She Rulk and they were still tussling like it never happened...Hulk didn't even have a scratch.

Black Holes? When has Surfer used this tactic in a fight? Especially against a comrade like Hulk. All of your tactics fail and Hulk will eventually close the distance. Hulk completely wins this 10/10...unless he resorts to bfring.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
nope..Galactus said he will only be depowered if he leaves earth..on earth..he's still the same..

Full powered or not, The Surfer can't bang out with the Hulk. Look at the beating he received at the hands of Morg, and Thanos. His only chance of winning is to destroy the entire planet, and leave Hulk floating in space.

He will not be draining the Hulk and turning him into Banner, this is a new Hulk that can control his changes. Rulk was unable to drain the new Hulk but easily drained Savage Hulk, Arm,Cheddon was also unable to drain the Hulk, yet he drained the Surfer. The Surfer can no longer just drain the Hulk for the win.

I also need to add that the Hulk is a cosmic. How? Well he is powered by the stars (Gamma radiation comes from stars), and has more in common with Superman than many people realize.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did read the Umar incident. I didn't read the comic of the scans you posted though. Why did you not answer my question? At least PM me if it is a spoiler.

Lastly, one not always have to read the latest issue if the OP is using an older version of the character.

WWH is not current Hulk. I don't care what anyone says, so don't call him that if you don't want me to refer to him instead of the current version of Hulk. And hardly anyone calls Hulk WWH. They say current Hulk (not WWH).

If fight is on Earth Hulk has a chance to win but will lose due to drain.
If fight is on barren planet then Surfer owns him.

WW Hulk is the current Hulk. Did he somehow switch bodies? It's the same guy.

arm'cheddon didn't drain silver surfer, he actually did the opposite and opened the channels in his body to overload him with power or something to that effect.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
arm'cheddon didn't drain silver surfer, he actually did the opposite and opened the channels in his body to overload him with power or something to that effect.

Sorry I stand corrected, it's been a while since I read that book. All the same though, it shows that a character that could manipulate the Surfer energy was unable to manipulate the Hulks energy to the point that left him helpless like Norrin was in the very scans that you presented.

To add to this Rulk was also unable as I mentioned earlier to drain the Hulk in issue 24 the way that he was able to drain the Savage Hulk, and the reason why is because the Savage hulk never had consistenly been able to control his changes, or rage the way that he has been able to since his stint in the WW Hulk arc.

Barring BFR, The Surfer will lose to WW Hulk.

Surfer destroys Hulk handily

Hulk 10/10 minus bfring.

Originally posted by carver9
He just posted a scan of BANNER going from his human form to WB mode almost instantly. That should be proof enough that he has COMPLETE control of his power. The crazy thing about all of this is "he is still holding back his power".

Surfer isn't draining Hulk...if Armageddon failed...someone that was draining the life out of Surfer, then Surfer sure as hell isn't doing it.

Lol...planet destroying attacks will kill him? A planet along with nearby planets exploded during his fight against She Rulk and they were still tussling like it never happened...Hulk didn't even have a scratch.

Black Holes? When has Surfer used this tactic in a fight? Especially against a comrade like Hulk. All of your tactics fail and Hulk will eventually close the distance. Hulk completely wins this 10/10...unless he resorts to bfring.

It says right in the title that this is WWH.

And this is ignoring all your hyperbole

Originally posted by carver9
He just posted a scan of BANNER going from his human form to WB mode almost instantly. That should be proof enough that he has COMPLETE control of his power. The crazy thing about all of this is "he is still holding back his power".

Surfer isn't draining Hulk...if Armageddon failed...someone that was draining the life out of Surfer, then Surfer sure as hell isn't doing it.

Lol...planet destroying attacks will kill him? A planet along with nearby planets exploded during his fight against She Rulk and they were still tussling like it never happened...Hulk didn't even have a scratch.

Black Holes? When has Surfer used this tactic in a fight? Especially against a comrade like Hulk. All of your tactics fail and Hulk will eventually close the distance. Hulk completely wins this 10/10...unless he resorts to bfring.

Surfer has used the black hole tactic at least twice I think. Also, I'm not so sure from the scans just posted that Hulk was strong enough to bust a planet. I don't know what happened, no one seems to.
You are still ruling out Hulk's character and at the same time trying to argue the character of Surfer. Hulk is only going to become planet breaker level when he knows it is no consequence of killing. Hulk holds back by purposely only amping to a certain level.

If Hulk gets his hands on Surfer then he wins. But Surfer has super speed and reflexes. It would be hard for Hulk to hit Surfer. Surfer got black holes, draining Hulk (makes Surfer stronger), hitting Hulk with board from behind, etc. I say Surfer wins 7-8/10

Originally posted by Stoic
WW Hulk is the current Hulk. Did he somehow switch bodies? It's the same guy.

No. WW Hulk refused to enter WB level until a certain reason was met. WWH will never go world breaker on Surfer. That's why there are different. Current Hulk went world breaker because of the wish (a special circumstance that doesn't exist here.) WWH didn't go WB on Sentry or Zues or Rulk or etc. Why would he on Surfer?

You're right again. Hulk is so passive when up against the surfer when given the chance to beat him down during planet hulk, he didn't take it.

erm

yeah there was a link in youtube where one bloke mentioned that surfer can drain hulks energy/power and hence over power wwhulk....