Other then the first appearance where Thor's strongest blow was only able to slightly dent Adamantium, all examples of Adamantium being destroyed / damaged were either the cheaper Secondary Adamantium, or accomplished with magic, matter manip, and the rest were examples of from non-canon alt realities.
Originally posted by srankmissingninDo you consider Caps shield > prime ada?
Other then the first appearance where Thor's strongest blow was only able to slightly dent Adamantium, all examples of Adamantium being destroyed / damaged were either the cheaper Secondary Adamantium, or accomplished with magic, matter manip, and the rest were examples of from non-canon alt realities.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Other then the first appearance where Thor's strongest blow was only able to slightly dent Adamantium, all examples of Adamantium being destroyed / damaged were either the cheaper Secondary Adamantium, or accomplished with magic, matter manip, and the rest were examples of from non-canon alt realities.
The Guardians are from a divergent reality though.
Originally posted by Bentley
The Guardians are from a divergent reality though.
Wolverine cut through Captain America's shield in a divergent 616 reality where he remained brain washed by Hydra. If it isn't in the pages of the actual 616 reality, consequences no longer matter, and nothing can be taken at face value.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine cut through Captain America's shield in a divergent 616 reality where he remained brain washed by Hydra. If it isn't in the pages of the actual 616 reality, consequences no longer matter, and nothing can be taken at face value.
I was not aware of that, though I would be inclined to ask who confirmed that it was an actual divergence.
Originally posted by Bentley
I was not aware of that, though I would be inclined to ask who confirmed that it was an actual divergence.
The concept of the issue was What If Wolverine remained brain washed by Hydra and the Hand in Enemy of the State, and there was panels from the actual story in the issue ergo up to at least the point when Wolverine engaged the X-Men in EotS that the universe would have been the same and then splintered off into the reality shown in the issue.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't participate in a thread that has this many people and yet doesn't have Thanos in it... That is not only insulting but invalidates the list... BTW.. Thanos would 😎
Nope Thanos wouldn't, if we are talking about a punch without it being amped by cosmic plasma. I know Wolverine would be hurt, but he'd get up. this as i said earlier is an on average Wolverine, and his toughness.
Originally posted by Bentley
A divergent reality, in the sense I am using it, is when a timetraveller gets to 616, and changes something that causes the future to diverge.
Who cares why the future diverged so long as it did? What If Enemy of the State reality was the same as 616 up until the point it diverged. Not really seeing any difference between the two. Guardians of the Galaxy is Earth 691, What IF... EotS is Earth 14850, both started the same as 616 up to a point and changed.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Who cares why the future diverged so long as it did? What If Enemy of the State reality was the same as 616 up until the point it diverged. Not really seeing any difference between the two. Guardians of the Galaxy is Earth 691, What IF... EotS is Earth 14850, both started the same as 616 up to a point and changed.
Forums exist in different frequencies, without the prescence of time-travellers universes were always different, they just looked similar. Exemple: the Adamantium of the Ultimate Universe is not the same adamantium of 616, the adamantium of What ifs, isn't necesarily the same either.
In the other hand, the intervention of a time traveller makes two universe out of the same, which means that their past is exactly in the same frecuency, which means every feat from the past applies to both of them at the point of divergence. So 691 Wolverine actually was 616 Wolverine at some point. HUGE difference.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't say.... When he has always appeared to by physically superior to some people you have on the list.. that strikes me as odd to say the least.
If you want to debate Thanos, I'm okay with it.
I just didn't add him to the list because Thanos is not defined by his physically superiority. I'm sure Zeus or Odin or Shazam would fare as well or even better than Thanos against Wolverine per these stipulations, but they're not known primarily as "superstrong" brick like characters. And you can argue that several of these characters have striking feats greater than what Thanos has done, anyway.
Fair enough?
Originally posted by Bentley
Forums exist in different frequencies, without the prescence of time-travellers universes were always different, they just looked similar. Exemple: the Adamantium of the Ultimate Universe is not the same adamantium of 616, the adamantium of What ifs, isn't necesarily the same either.In the other hand, the intervention of a time traveller makes two universe out of the same, which means that their past is exactly in the same frecuency, which means every feat from the past applies to both of them at the point of divergence. So 691 Wolverine actually was 616 Wolverine at some point. HUGE difference.
That is some nice speculatory theory crafting, but it's all bunk. The What If time lines aren't "frequencies" that are running parallel to the main 616 time line, the are branches that diverge from it. The realities are created at the moment of change, not prior to it. Every time someone makes a choice in 616 Marvel, another reality is created where they made a different choice, but that reality is created then and there, it didn't always exist, prior to that it was the same as 616.
Ultimate Marvel is a completely different beast. It isn't a divergent time line that at some point branched off from 616 in some minor change of events, but rather a unique time line with to many major differences to count.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you want to debate Thanos, I'm okay with it.I just didn't add him to the list because Thanos is not defined by his physically superiority. I'm sure Zeus or Odin or Shazam would fare as well or even better than Thanos against Wolverine per these stipulations, but they're not known primarily as "superstrong" brick like characters. And you can argue that several of these characters have striking feats greater than what Thanos has done, anyway.
Fair enough?
Fair enough Jake, and I was mostly mesing around anyways. I usually always enjoy your threads or comments. A few things though...
1.. Wouldn't it be fair to say Thanos has shown physical supriority over people on your list... like Thor, a version of Hulk not present and Thing.. and thus by default.. he would be physically superiior to others on this list he hasn't met, but who are peers or lower than those he has dominated?
2. I agree totally that Odin or Zeus or Shazam are kinda like Thanos in that they don't just rely on physical acts to can the upper hand. I would also mostly agree they might even do better. That said, I think Thanos has been shown throw narration and action to engage more in h2h encounters and has even been classified by some on here as a pseudo brick with some cool powers.