The Strongest There Is

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Destruction.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/hb4.jpg

Destruction.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-018.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0019.jpg

Striking equal strength. They do some type of Dragonball Z destruction when punching each other.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0016.jpg

Lifts a mountain size rock and toss it like nothing.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength3.jpg

By the way...lol at you downplaying Vector power.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's just a fancy way of saying Superman is supremely fast because his muscles are incredibly powerful.

Which is wonderful, because Superman is one of the few characters I know that is fast BECAUSE he is strong.

Afterall, in reality, you can't be fast and weak at the same time. Speed comes from power. And power, comes from muscles.

It makes absolutely no sense for some random character, who is say, just a really large man, only be as fast as a normal human when he can lift dozens of tons or something. Yet we see this all the time in fiction. If a man can lift 20 tons with ease, his own weight, is going to feel like nothing--thus, he would be very fast.

Not necessarily. I'm a runner and a lifter (I do races like Tough Mudder) and there are many women much lighter and faster than me and they can't lift much weight. my muscles make me a tad heavier and my lack of running experience makes the fast muscle less developed. The ability to dead lift hundreds of lbs does not develop the same kind of muscle and cardiovascular strength to run very fast...you don't become fast simply from developing muscle...you become fast by.....practicing.

There was an absolutely beastly guy in a race I did last year and I ran circles around him. (Warrior Dash)

Originally posted by carver9
What other fts do you have?

A few, I am not using striking feats as original post says:

Originally posted by Damborgson
Who based on feats is the strongest hero there is in both universes Marvel and DC? When I say strength I mean lifting/pushing/locking arms/ etc...no striking feats.

He means pushing, lifting, locking or anything else, NO striking feats

Here I have this one

Superman restrains a Lord (well in this case Lady) of Hell

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=AOS494PHYSICALLYRESTRAINSALORDOFHELL.jpg

I am aware that not many people know how physically strong Blaze is, but just to give you an idea here:

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Strength/POS-012-19.jpg

and here

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Strength/POS-012-18.jpg

I have a few more, I really enjoy talking about comics but I have a lot of things to, I'll catch up later

Originally posted by ctsketch
Not necessarily. I'm a runner and a lifter (I do races like Tough Mudder) and there are many women much lighter and faster than me and they can't lift much weight. my muscles make me a tad heavier and my lack of running experience makes the fast muscle less developed. The ability to dead lift hundreds of lbs does not develop the same kind of muscle and cardiovascular strength to run very fast...you don't become fast simply from developing muscle...you become fast by.....practicing.

There was an absolutely beastly guy in a race I did last year and I ran circles around him. (Warrior Dash)

This are the legs of a distance runner

http://zero-drop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-shot-2012-03-17-at-5.39.58-PM.png

Usain Bolt legs

http://keepitjiggy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/usain_bolt.jpg

Chad Hedrick's legs

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/chad-hedrick-speed-skating.jpg

It seems to me that developing speed is related to the size of the muscle, just look and compare the size and muscles of Usain and Chad's legs to those of a regular runner

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said being on the same peer level means equality. Being in the same peer group means they are on your level. You're right being a peer doesn't mean equal otherwise that would mean Wonderwoman is equal to Superman in strength. Hulk is built for strength and has the powerset to back it up. Dynamic strength.

Now what feats prove your case ?

I just checked and the old wizard.com whatever is down. I can't believe you wouldn't tell me. Laughs.

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Originally posted by carver9
I agree 100% with you...its very impressive but its not out of Hulk capability. He can run at super Speed but he doesn't have the mobility to keep it going and the ground gives way once he gains enough speed. The ft is impressive though but there are numerous of beings that are not even in Hulk and Superman class that can pull that off.

What other fts do you have?


Are you for real? Hulk moving at 2000 mps?
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you for real? Hulk moving at 2000 mps?
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Never said that. I said his speed will never be determined because of his stability. So the answer to your question is "no".

Originally posted by biensalsa
This are the legs of a distance runner

http://zero-drop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-shot-2012-03-17-at-5.39.58-PM.png

Usain Bolt legs

http://keepitjiggy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/usain_bolt.jpg

Chad Hedrick's legs

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/chad-hedrick-speed-skating.jpg

It seems to me that developing speed is related to the size of the muscle, just look and compare the size and muscles of Usain and Chad's legs to those of a regular runner

Running develops muscle, but developing muscle does not translate directly to developing running form, endurance and speed. this is kind of like the square and rectangle comparison. Yes being a runner gives you nice leg muscles, but there are plenty of people who have nice leg muscles from lifting weight but can't run worth crap. lifting 400 lbs doesn't mean you can run. running and having the muscle/lung capacity/form means you can run

Originally posted by biensalsa
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Originally posted by carver9
Never said that. I said his speed will never be determined because of his stability. So the answer to your question is "no".

Originally posted by carver9
I agree 100% with you...its very impressive but its not out of Hulk capability. He can run at super Speed but he doesn't have the mobility to keep it going and the ground gives way once he gains enough speed. The ft is impressive though but there are numerous of beings that are not even in Hulk and Superman class that can pull that off.

What other fts do you have?


Are you seriously implying that given time hulk can match superman's speed? 😐

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you seriously implying that given time hulk can match superman's speed? 😐

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Where did you get that from out of my post? Also, what's the fastest Superman ran?

Originally posted by carver9
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Where did you get that from out of my post? Also, what's the fastest Superman ran?


This

Originally posted by carver9
[B]I agree 100% with you...its very impressive but its not out of Hulk capability.

Near light speed alongside Jay garrick.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This

Near light speed alongside Jay garrick.

I never said he could run faster than Supes.

Show me this race (I know what race you are talking about, want to make sure its the same one).

Originally posted by ctsketch
Not necessarily. I'm a runner and a lifter (I do races like Tough Mudder) and there are many women much lighter and faster than me and they can't lift much weight. my muscles make me a tad heavier and my lack of running experience makes the fast muscle less developed. The ability to dead lift hundreds of lbs does not develop the same kind of muscle and cardiovascular strength to run very fast...you don't become fast simply from developing muscle...you become fast by.....practicing.

There was an absolutely beastly guy in a race I did last year and I ran circles around him. (Warrior Dash)

No. You're trying to apply a simplified model for a scale (humans), that lacks any large enough disparity in strength for other factors in speed to become non-factors.

However, lets look at broad strokes for a second to simplify this. Every sprinter out there, is jacked as hell. Not just lower body, but their entire physique. None of them are skin and bones the way Marathon runners are. The latter do not require heavy muscle mass because they don't focus on power, they focus on cardio, the former do because speed requires muscle power.

The reason NFL players tend to run faster and jump higher than NBA players (yes, NFL players have superior verticals), is because of better numbers in explosive lifts like the power clean.

Why are bodybuilders not going to be fast then? Simple. Partly because of diminishing returns because the bulk they start to gain can negate any speed benefits they may have gotten from increased muscle power, and partly because bodybuilders build for size, and not necessarily strength.

Powerlifters/Olympic lifters on the other hand? They are both strong and fast, because they work out their fast twitch muscles on a ridiculous level--there was some study out there that showed olympic lifters could compete with sprinters and jumpers of the same size despite being significantly heavier. And there are 400 lb powerlifters who can dunk a basketball--and jumping ability and running ability are definitely related, since they rely on the same muscle fibers.

Basically, if your leg muscles are powerful for your weight, then you are going to be fast period.

Cats, Horses, Bears, Bulls/Buffalo etc. All are extremely fast animals. All are extremely muscular animals as well.

Insects, are proportionately very fast, there are some beetles that go the equivalent of almost 500 mph when adjusted for size with a human. Why are insects proportionately very fast? Because they are proportionately very strong. Able to lift dozen to hundreds of times their own weight over their head.

Again, like I said, if there was some 200 lb man out there who could lift 20 tons (40,000 lbs) over his head, he would be fast as hell. Because he'd be lifting something hundreds of times his own weight, and that would take precedence over any other factors impacting speed, such as his limb length, girth/shape or even technique.

Basically, it doesn't really make sense for a guy like say Marvel Hercules to be slower than Spiderman (though it appears he is). Afterall, he's infinitely stronger, and only a hundred or so lbs heavier.

Originally posted by carver9
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Where did you get that from out of my post? Also, what's the fastest Superman ran?

Abhilegend does this all the time gets overtly defensive while failing to comprehend people's posts.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. You're trying to apply a simplified model for a scale (humans), that lacks any large enough disparity in strength for other factors in speed to become non-factors.

However, lets look at broad strokes for a second to simplify this. Every sprinter out there, is jacked as hell. Not just lower body, but their entire physique. None of them are skin and bones the way Marathon runners are. The latter do not require heavy muscle mass because they don't focus on power, they focus on cardio, the former do because speed requires muscle power.

The reason NFL players tend to run faster and jump higher than NBA players (yes, NFL players have superior verticals), is because of better numbers in explosive lifts like the power clean.

Why are bodybuilders not going to be fast then? Simple. Partly because of diminishing returns because the bulk they start to gain can negate any speed benefits they may have gotten from increased muscle power, and partly because bodybuilders build for size, and not necessarily strength.

Powerlifters/Olympic lifters on the other hand? They are both strong and fast, because they work out their fast twitch muscles on a ridiculous level--there was some study out there that showed olympic lifters could compete with sprinters and jumpers of the same size despite being significantly heavier. And there are 400 lb powerlifters who can dunk a basketball--and jumping ability and running ability are definitely related, since they rely on the same muscle fibers.

Basically, if your leg muscles are powerful for your weight, then you are going to be fast period.

Cats, Horses, Bears, Bulls/Buffalo etc. All are extremely fast animals. All are extremely muscular animals as well.

Insects, are proportionately very fast, there are some beetles that go the equivalent of almost 500 mph when adjusted for size with a human. Why are insects proportionately very fast? Because they are proportionately very strong. Able to lift dozen to hundreds of times their own weight over their head.

Again, like I said, if there was some 200 lb man out there who could lift 20 tons (40,000 lbs) over his head, he would be fast as hell. Because he'd be lifting something hundreds of times his own weight, and that would take precedence over any other factors impacting speed, such as his limb length, girth/shape or even technique.

Basically, it doesn't really make sense for a guy like say Marvel Hercules to be slower than Spiderman (though it appears he is). Afterall, he's infinitely stronger, and only a hundred or so lbs heavier.

You're still forgetting that running (at high speeds) is still a skill. You take two people, same age and take one that achieved their strength via power lifting and fast twitching and one that achieved their muscle via sprinting practice AND body building and the runner will be faster even if the same weight because of the skill and cardio edge.

I'm not arguing that sprinters aren't strong, I'm saying the ability to lift heavy objects does not mean you will automatically outrun someone weaker. I have far stronger legs, core and lats than one of my training partners (similar age, 5 lbs difference in mean weight) but he runs so much more often than I do that my legs and lungs tap out in a spring far sooner than his. he has better form, and better control of his power in running

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk

Though the canonicty of this is a little hazy to me, but Wildstorm was part of the DC Multiverse and Lobo "don't do logical".

The events that happened with Santa, and the Easter Bunny where referenced by Lobo back 52, making the events canon to Lobo. 'Magine that!

Originally posted by ctsketch
You're still forgetting that running (at high speeds) is still a skill. You take two people, same age and take one that achieved their strength via power lifting and fast twitching and one that achieved their muscle via sprinting practice AND body building and the runner will be faster even if the same weight because of the skill and cardio edge.

I'm not arguing that sprinters aren't strong, I'm saying the ability to lift heavy objects does not mean you will automatically outrun someone weaker. I have far stronger legs, core and lats than one of my training partners (similar age, 5 lbs difference in mean weight) but he runs so much more often than I do that my legs and lungs tap out in a spring far sooner than his. he has better form, and better control of his power in running

I'm not forgetting anything.

Everything you said, is something my post already accounted for.

If you were dozens of times stronger than your friend, as opposed to being simply marginally stronger, all the slight differences in morphology, or even a big experience gap, would not matter at all, you'd be significantly faster.

As for your example, power lifters even without experience, can be competitive with sprinters for short distances, even with a much heavier weight.

Anyway, this was simply a tangent I started on regarding why Superman is fast. He's fast because of his immense physical strength, which is rare in fiction (not many people understand or care about the notion I'm guessing). As opposed to Flash who is fast because his specific power makes him fast.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree 100% with you...its very impressive but its not out of Hulk capability. He can run at super Speed but he doesn't have the mobility to keep it going and the ground gives way once he gains enough speed. The ft is impressive though but there are numerous of beings that are not even in Hulk and Superman class that can pull that off.

What other fts do you have?

...What?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhilegend does this all the time gets overtly defensive while failing to comprehend people's posts.

😂
Look who's talking.