Feats vs Logic (colossus vs juggs)

Originally posted by carver9
I think they were basically telling you how strong Jugs amped with the hammer was. Even though Kuurth was capable of damage Colossus doesn't mean that people like Thor or Supes could. Kuurth was a natural beast and we do not know how much power cytorrak took from him.

Or, you know, how weak Colossus currently is in the station. As pointed out, Cain was a bully and filled with a lot of hatred and took the power for selfish reasons.

Piotr on the other hand....

Not downplaying Kuurth, just saying.

Worthy Juggernaut =/> Thor > Worthy Attuma = Worthy Cain =/> Classic Juggernaut = Colossus Juggernaut

Colossus has the full power of the Juggernaut and Kuurth at his peak was more powerful than Classic Juggernaut. Cain has never the strongest or most powerful guy on the planet. He has been hurt plenty of times without his force field.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Worthy Juggernaut =/> Thor > Worthy Attuma = Worthy Cain =/> Classic Juggernaut = Colossus Juggernaut

Colossus has the full power of the Juggernaut and Kuurth at his peak was more powerful than Classic Juggernaut. Cain has never the strongest or most powerful guy on the planet. He has been hurt plenty of times without his force field.

In power

Kuurth (before depowerment)
Classic Juggernaut
Kuurth
Thor
Colossusnaut

If thor was brick he would be dead last,

Colossus is not a Classic Juggernaut Levels, only stupid would say other wise

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Lol wtf

In power

Kuurth (before depowerment)
Classic Juggernaut
Kuurth
Thor
Colossusnaut

If thor was brick he would be dead last,

The only Worthy I'll entertain being more powerful than Thor are Kuurth at full power, Absorbing Man potentially and Nul. Thor would definitely take any of the other Worthy down. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Also, how can anyone believe Classic Juggernaut is more powerful than Thor? We've seen Thor trump his two most powerful enchantments. Hell, he practically admitted that Mjolnir had more power.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Colossus is not a Classic Juggernaut Levels, only stupid would say other wise

Yes he is. The comic made it quite clear. So did the writer but his statements isn't even necessary to anyone who has a lick of common sense.

The entire point behind Colossus being empowered is Cytorrak picking a new avatar to channel and illustrate his power.

I can accept that, but for the most part my list was based on strength and durability only

Also i wonder where you would place silver sufer against the worth in power and colossusnaut

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I can accept that, but for the most part my list was based on strength and durability only

Also i wonder where you would place silver sufer against the worth in power and colossusnaut

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought your list was based on overall power. Whatever, I don't really care.

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought your list was based on overall power. Whatever, I don't really care.

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg

😂 Bwahahahahaha!!! Norrin got "team jobbed".

Originally posted by dmills
😂 Bwahahahahaha!!! Norrin got "team jobbed".

Exactly, when you are on a team you most probably job just like Colossus will.

That to me is the problem with feats, they are all over the place. It really depends on the writers. Popular characters will win more often than not.

If we go by logic Classic juggs feats should apply to Colossus too there is no reason it shouldn't. (assuming he is fully powered)

I have a question? If someone like Current Colossus loses in a brawl to someone like ironman or wonderman or freaking luke cage, is that PIS? when is it piss and when is it a feat?

Is that a feat for ironman or wonderman? and can you use that against all avatars of cyttorak?

the low and high showings of characters are really all over the place.

So does this mean Worthy attuma> then the surfer? and since Colossus beat Kuurth can Colossus potentially beat the Surfer now?

Originally posted by nwg202
Exactly, when you are on a team you most probably job just like Colossus will.

That to me is the problem with feats, they are all over the place. It really depends on the writers. Popular characters will win more often than not.

If we go by logic Classic juggs feats should apply to Colossus too there is no reason it shouldn't. (assuming he is fully powered)

I have a question? If someone like Current Colossus loses in a brawl to someone like ironman or wonderman or freaking luke cage, is that PIS? when is it piss and when is it a feat?

Is that a feat for ironman or wonderman? and can you use that against all avatars of cyttorak?

the low and high showings of characters are really all over the place.

So does this mean Worthy attuma> then the surfer? and since Colossus beat Kuurth can Colossus potentially beat the Surfer now?

As a general rule I almost always expect heralds to job somewhat in team settings. Considering that Norrin has crushed Beta ray bill straight up and recently stopped a Thor hammer blow cold with just his own strength, I'd say him getting slapped around like that by Attuma was out of sorts.

Originally posted by dmills
As a general rule I almost always expect heralds to job somewhat in team settings. Considering that Norrin has crushed Beta ray bill straight up and recently stopped a Thor hammer blow cold with just his own strength, I'd say him getting slapped around like that by Attuma was out of sorts.

So i guess you go by logic over feats.

So in a vs forums when u say Current Colossus you think of him as the Avatar of Cytorrak and all the power that comes with it, regardless if he jobs in a team setting? Since he is herald level as well now

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
for the record, i totally hate this colossus upgrade. they should have just given him a second mutation thus making him stronger putting him at the top of the 100 toner food chain but not at the levels of the stupidly strong like hulk.

Same here; it's borderline retarded, and serves no real purpose.

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Colossus is just too vague atm. Yes, he has Cyttorak's power, but we've only seen him use it in one fight (that he was losing, incidentally). Hopefully we'll see more in the next issues of Uncanny.

Colossus was cleary winning that fight, i dont get where you thought he was loosing sure he was taking damage but he had a high level healing factor that keep healing his damage, kuurth couldnt have put him down with that healing factor

Another example is red hulk and thor. Red hulk (Loeb Force) owned the first time but most people think it was PIS. But it happened. Then you have Angrir owning the Red Hulk who was owned by Thor.

Feats really go all over the place...

This Colossus and Kuurth thing is also similar. people have differnt views...some think Colossus won( I think he did) But Kuurth made him bleed (which by logic is stupid because Colossus doesn't bleed!) so others assume he is not fully powered ( but the actual writter said he was)...some people think he actually lost that fight becase of Colossus thoughts while the art showed him mauling Kuurth and Kurth was powerless to stop him from being pushed back..

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Colossus was cleary winning that fight, i dont get where you thought he was loosing sure he was taking damage but he had a high level healing factor that keep healing his damage, kuurth couldnt have put him down with that healing factor

Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
But his healing factor keep healing his wounds almost instantly,

I wouldn't say it was instantaneous, or even close to that. It always struck me as being more of an endurance thing tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed.

But cain couldn't stop him. He was getting thrown all over the place and punched and put on his ass. If he was truly more powerful he should have been able to STOP the unstoppable colossus. Cain's life actually depended on him stopping Colossus so the stakes were through the roof and he still couldn't.

It's like a mike tyson vs a regular guy. Colossus was dictating the fight. you dont see mike tyson backtracking vs a less powerful human.

Originally posted by nwg202
But cain couldn't stop him. He was getting thrown all over the place and punched and put on his ass. If he was truly more powerful he should have been able to STOP the unstoppable colossus. Cain's life actually depended on him stopping Colossus so the stakes were through the roof and he still couldn't.

It's like a mike tyson vs a regular guy. Colossus was dictating the fight. you dont see mike tyson backtracking vs a less powerful human.

It was stated that Cain was stronger and faster; that Colossus' advantage was his momentum, which has generally always been an advantage the Juggernaut has had.

Colossus wasn't winning a straight up fight; that was pretty solidly implied in the comic i thought.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It was stated that Cain was stronger and faster; that Colossus' advantage was his momentum, which has generally always been an advantage the Juggernaut has had.

Colossus wasn't winning a straight up fight; that was pretty solidly implied in the comic i thought.

Statement says kuurth is superior
Art shows colossus owning kuurth