Voldemort vs. Gandalf the White

Started by quanchi11243 pages

Originally posted by NemeBro
Even if the light doesn't hurt Voldemort (It will) it will still blind him.

And TK sufficient to harm Gandalf/Saruman will kill Voldemort pretty good.

Based off of what can we conclude it hurts anyone ? You are making the claim and in the scene there's no physical pain even hinted at so please back it up.

So a light can blind and defeat Voldemort ? You've got to be kidding. I mean wtf. Based off of what in the hp films suggest shining a bright light in Voldemort's face bests him....really ?

Voldemort kills him with one spell. The tk was just causing minor cuts and bruises. Voldemort kills him despite maybe being scratched by tk.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you say so.

If Voldermort's robe were lite of fire, he would be crying as well. Witch King screams, Voldermort is feared and his twig shatters.

Death spell can be blocked by stone and wood. Gandalf's stave > a tombstone and wooden door.

Voldemort is more powerful than the Witch King and it only works on someone you are more powerful than. Voldemort avada kedavra's faster than the Witch King can do so anyways.

Gandalf's stave can be destroyed and no matter the object it gets destroyed.

Can't Voldemort just pull out the Fiendfyre and flame-grill Gandalf? I know he fought the Balrog, but i don't think he's fireproof

Originally posted by Lestov16
Can't Voldemort just pull out the Fiendfyre and flame-grill Gandalf? I know he fought the Balrog, but i don't think he's fireproof
Yes. He has a variety of ways in which he can kill gandalf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort is more powerful than the Witch King and it only works on someone you are more powerful than. Voldemort avada kedavra's faster than the Witch King can do so anyways.

Gandalf's stave can be destroyed and no matter the object it gets destroyed.

How is someone who is a chicken-shit at heart, would be cowering in fear and have most of his magic taken away the second his little wand explodes be more powerful? Ava Kedavara wouldn't work on the Witch King, he's already dead, dude.

By someone more magically powerful and has the power of "death" at his disposal, Voldermort isn't, thanks for playing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. He has a variety of ways in which he can kill gandalf.

While this is true in the general sense, it's not Ava Kedavara or Fiend Fyre. As proven, death spell can be blocked and that fire spell is too slow. Gandalf wasn't bothered my the Balrog's flaming body and magma, so even if Fiend Fyre were a fast casting spell, it might not bother Gandalf.

Only way Voldermort can realistically win here is if Gandalf commits suicide.

Originally posted by Robtard
How is someone who is a chicken-shit at heart, would be cowering in fear and have most of his magic taken away the second his little wand explodes be more powerful? Ava Kedavara wouldn't work on the Witch King, he's already dead, dude.

By someone more magically powerful and has the power of "death" at his disposal, Voldermort isn't, thanks for playing.

It attacks the soul, bro. He'd be released from his prison.

A fire basilisk would own the Witch King since a torch already owned him and fire is a huge weakness.

Voldemort isn't a chicken at heart the entire wizarding world won't even mention his name he's that scary. The Witch King wouldn't last a few minutes against him.

Fire basilisk or avada kedavra.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It attacks the soul, bro. He'd be released from his prison.

A fire basilisk would own the Witch King since a torch already owned him and fire is a huge weakness.

Voldemort isn't a chicken at heart the entire wizarding world won't even mention his name he's that scary. The Witch King wouldn't last a few minutes against him.

Fire basilisk or avada kedavra.

He's undead. He has no soul, Sauron took it already.

Voldermort's not a basilisk and the Witch King's Fell Beast > a basilisk.

Voldermort is a coward at heart; this is a defining character trait. Witch King would just exploit his cowardice and fear him into submission/wetting himself.

Stop trying to derail the thread with the Witch King though, he's not here, luckily for Voldermort.

Originally posted by Robtard
He's undead. He has no soul, Sauron took it already.

Voldermort's not a basilisk and the Witch King's Fell Beast > a basilisk.

Voldermort is a coward at heart; this is a defining character trait. Witch King would just exploit his cowardice and fear him into submission/wetting himself.

Stop trying to derail the thread with the Witch King though, he's not here, luckily for Voldermort.

He does have a soul. If he didn't have a soul he wouldn't be able to survive. LOL.

Voldemort can create a basilisk which is greater than a torch that defeated him.

Voldemort is afraid of death not Gandalf. Gandalf was afraid of the power ring the wussie. Witch King is afraid of torches and fire. Voldemort could crush the Witch King and gandalf at the same time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does have a soul. If he didn't have a soul he wouldn't be able to survive. LOL.

Voldemort can create a basilisk which is greater than a torch that defeated him.

Voldemort is afraid of death not Gandalf. Gandalf was afraid of the power ring the wussie. Witch King is afraid of torches and fire. Voldemort could crush the Witch King and gandalf at the same time.

Yeah, that made no sense.

Voldermort's would be feared into crying in the corner and his wand would be shattered before that spell went off.

Considering Gandalf would be bringing death upon Voldermort, he'd probably piss himself at the mere sight of Gandalf too.

Stop trying to derail the thread with the Witch King. If you need to be spanked in a Voldermort Vs With King thread too, go make one.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, that made no sense.

Voldermort's would be feared into crying in the corner and his wand would be shattered before that spell went off.

Considering Gandalf would be bringing death upon Voldermort, he'd probably piss himself at the mere sight of Gandalf too.

Stop trying to derail the thread with the Witch King. If you need to be spanked in a Voldermort Vs With King thread too, go make one.

The point is Sauron controlled him he didn't take his soul out of his body or anything. If so provide the proof.

Orcs didn't even fear Gandalf the White. Who feared the guy ? really ? Voldemort scared an entire world. He's basically harry potter's Sauron. The big bad villain who intimidates his entire fictional universe.

Voldemort is a less powerful Dumbledore with a less powerful staff than the Elder wand. He'd welcome Gandalf to come on in.

I am glad you concede Voldemort beats the pair.

Originally posted by Robtard
While this is true in the general sense, it's not Ava Kedavara or Fiend Fyre. As proven, death spell can be blocked and that fire spell is too slow. Gandalf wasn't bothered my the Balrog's flaming body and magma, so even if Fiend Fyre were a fast casting spell, it might not bother Gandalf.

Only way Voldermort can realistically win here is if Gandalf commits suicide.

The spell destroys what it hits so Gandalf losing his staff means he is screwed. The fire basilisk isn't that slow and is very powerful. gandalf isn't known for his graceful speedy moves either.

Gandalf is nowhere near as formidable or powerful as Voldemort.

Voldemort cannot kill the Witch King of Angmar for a few reasons:

1. The prophecy of 'No man can kill me' - If I remember correctly, wasn't it Eowyn who killed the Witch King. Voldy is a man, therefore reason # 1
2. The Witch King was neither living or dead. He was enslaved to power of the Ring/s therefore reason # 2.

Why can't Voldy defeat Gandalf? Didn't Gandalf say to Aragorn "300 lifetimes I have spent and now I have no time." How old is Voldemort? Gandalf probably has far more powers at his disposal and has fought in numerous wars. Gandalf is the fantasy equalivant of Anderson Silva.

Voldy's a man?

I'll need confirmation of that.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Voldemort cannot kill the Witch King of Angmar for a few reasons:

1. The prophecy of 'No man can kill me' - If I remember correctly, wasn't it Eowyn who killed the Witch King. Voldy is a man, therefore reason # 1

Voldemort has the killing curse which isn't on the table in lotr. He also can defeat him with a giant fire basilisk since a torch previously did so.


2. The Witch King was neither living or dead. He was enslaved to power of the Ring/s therefore reason # 2.
His soul/body was still bound to Sauron and he was still defeated in the movies despite this.

Why can't Voldy defeat Gandalf? Didn't Gandalf say to Aragorn "300 lifetimes I have spent and now I have no time." How old is Voldemort? Gandalf probably has far more powers at his disposal and has fought in numerous wars. Gandalf is the fantasy equalivant of Anderson Silva.
He might have more powers and probably does which I am sure will see in the Hobbit but let's not speculate as to how formidable they will be. I also know Voldemort's powers are pretty formidable as he stands now. I doubt Gandalf will have anything as impressive as the killing curse or the giant fire basilisk.

Voldemort is the baddest wizard in a world of wizards.

Gandalf wins. His magiks is older.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Gandalf wins. His magiks is older.
What does being older have to do with anything ? Voldemort's magic is more powerful and far more formidable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The spell destroys what it hits so Gandalf losing his staff means he is screwed. The fire basilisk isn't that slow and is very powerful. gandalf isn't known for his graceful speedy moves either.

Gandalf is nowhere near as formidable or powerful as Voldemort.

The spell is designed to kill the living; it can be dodged or blocked though. Maybe learn something first; then argue: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Killing_Curse

Also of note, Harry survived the spell before and Gandalf > Harry.

You got that wrong, it's still Gandalf > the Balrog > Harry Potter > Voldermort.

Originally posted by Robtard
The spell is designed to kill the living; it can be dodged or blocked though. Maybe learn something first; then argue: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Killing_Curse

Also of note, Harry survived the spell before and Gandalf > Harry.

You got that wrong, it's still Gandalf > the Balrog > Harry Potter > Voldermort.

Yes, and the physical barrier while blocked is also destroyed, genius.

Harry survived it because it attacked the part of Voldemort's soul inside him. None of this applies to Gandalf. None of it. Please at least attempt something relevant to this discussion.

Voldemort>>>torch>>>Witch King>gandalf>Balrog.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and the physical barrier while blocked is also destroyed, genius.

Harry survived it because it attacked the part of Voldemort's soul inside him. None of this applies to Gandalf. None of it. Please at least attempt something relevant to this discussion.

Voldemort>>>torch>>>Witch King>gandalf>Balrog.

Tombstone in one of the films wasn't destroyed, genius.

Gandalf being far more powerful here is relevant to this thread. Please attempt to follow the discussion instead of ranting and bringing in irrelevant points.

Incorrect, again. Gandalf wins.

Weaker Magical AbilitiesEdit
The following information comes from the book, movie, and video games.

IlluminationEdit
As Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf was not capable of very powerful spells, though he still had potency up to an extent. One of his simpler spells was illumination. In Moria, Gandalf was obliged to light his staff so that the Fellowship could find their way out of Moria. Because of the light provided by Gandalf's staff, the Fellowship was able to pass over many dangers and eventually find their way out of Moria.

Magical KinesisEdit
Gandalf the Grey was also capable of pushing his foes back with his staff, as shown in the movie when he battles Saruman in Orthanc. He tried to defeat Saruman as best as he could, but the White Wizard's power was too great for him to withstand. Eventually, Saruman stole Gandalf's staff and transported him to the top of Orthanc.
Call GwaihirEdit
When times grew desperate, Gandalf contacted Gwaihir, Lord of the Eagles, by means of a small moth. Gandalf had saved the great Eagle from a poisoned arrow long ago, and as a result, Gwaihir was eager and ready to help out his own friend whenever he needed to. Gandalf called Gwaihir multiple times, in places ranging from Orthanc to Moria to the Black Gate of Mordor. Though not so much a magical ability as an extra lifeline, Gandalf knew exactly when he needed help and when he should call Gwaihir to get it.

It was Radagast the Brown who told the eagles that Gandalf had visited with Saruman in the books; in the movie, Gandalf is seen speaking with the moth.

Sword of PowerEdit
In the film adaptation of The Two Towers, while Gandalf was facing the Balrog, he charged his sword Glamdring with lightning. He then struck his foe and killed him. It is unknown whether Gandalf actually summoned the lightning or simply attracted it toward Glamdring, but either way, his sword had extra power, enough to slay the Balrog of Morgoth.

Call ShadowfaxEdit
Although not magical as such, Gandalf develops a friendship with the "Lord of horses", Shadowfax in both the books and the films. After Gandalf takes Shadowfax from King Theoden's stables in Edoras, the horse developes a bond with Gandalf which meant that nobody else could ride or even touch Shadowfax, besides him. In the second film, Gandalf calls to Shadowfax by whistling just outside of Fangorn. Such is the bond between them that Gandalf rides Shadowfax without any harnesses and can direct him with his mind.

Stronger Magical AbilitiesEdit
As Gandalf the White; Gandalf had amazing new powers and learned several skills and spells to defeat his foes. The skills listed below are those that either are completely new to Gandalf or have been significantly enhanced since his transformation from the Grey Wizard to the White Wizard.

Lightning StrikeEdit
This power is clearly described in the book The Hobbit in the Misty Mountains while escaping from an orc horde (obviously as Gandalf the Grey). He kills a few orcs and temporarily hides. The cartoon version of The Hobbit also boasts him using it during the Battle of Five Armies.

Blinding LightEdit
Gandalf's second skill was Blinding Light, with which he would strike his foes blind with a blast of light resembling a magnified sunbeam. Though this particular attack did not deal much damage to foes in itself, it allowed any soldiers or cavalry to cut their enemies down with little to no resistance. Gandalf uses this spell once in the movies against the Fell Beasts of the Nazgûl so that Faramir's company could retreat to Minas Tirith safely. Gandalf did not use this Skill during the Battle of Helm's Deep, as is erroneously claimed, as the blinding light was caused by the rising Sun rising in the East ("On the morning of the fifth day, look to the East"😉. Blinding Light is quite possibly a much stronger version of Illumination.

In The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age (GBA) game, one of Gandalf's four skills is Blinding Light. All Evil Units on Gandalf's flank (except Fearless ones) would have a chance of going into morale failure depending on their morale, becoming useless the next turn. The higher the level of the spell, the more likely the morale failure. Some players choose Gandalf mainly because the morale failures would either play strategically into their hands or force the enemy heroes to join the fray, which would increase their chances of being killed and getting Good one-step closer to victory.

Shield of the IstariEdit
Gandalf can also conjure up a magical shield to protect himself from enemy attacks. It is shown in the movies only once, when Gandalf stands against the Balrog's flaming sword. However, on the extended version of The Return of the King, Gandalf uses the shield of Istari to protect himself from a spell cast by Saruman.

FireEdit
Gandalf uses the power of fire in the Hobbit, to light pinecones in multi-colored fire and to throw them at wolves, he also uses fire in the Fellowship of the Ring to cast ablaze a bundle of wood, and a large cluster of trees to stay warm, and to combat more wolves.

Destructive BlastEdit
By far Gandalf's most devastating power is the destructive blast. Gandalf initiates this by raising his staff into the air and slamming it down on the ground. The weaker version is enough to break the Bridge of Khazad-dum, but at full power it can send surrounding legions flying into the air, instantly destroying them.

In the Return of the King video game, the spell (from weak to full power) is known as Fog of War, Wrath of Anor, and Flame of Udun. This would imply that Gandalf could use Shadow powers as well as Light powers, though this is unconfirmed and at any case highly unlikely.

In The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, this spell is known as Word of Power. It can destroy all weak units (even upgraded ones), and significantly damage stronger ones.