Originally posted by the DarkoneKnowing more about Bor would be cool..he's only been in like 5 comics so there isnt much on him...
Bor would be more high trans border line low sky father while on Earth, in Asagard could mid sky father,imo of course. Bor is still more powerful than Nul, period!Truth be told, they need to some stories on Bor and Buri, show us where they are at in power compare to Odin and the Odin-force.
Originally posted by leonidas
trying to say someone has 'skyfather strength' is moronic as a skyfather rarely exhibits strength feats. could they? of course. re: odin punking thor like a child, zeus crushing hulk without effort. their abilities can manifest however they choose, but someone is not a skyfather because they are strong. they are skyfather level because they have the powerset. a skyfather is NOT one-dimensional and to try and reduce to one to such is the height of idiocy.bor wins this, handily.
Basically, Sky-Fathers are pretty much exempt from strength base on the power at their disposal. Sky-Fathers are versatile beings, Evil MM is powerful as Hell but that doesn't use strength, that doesn't mean he cant beat the sh** out of cosmic beings the likes of Galactus, Celestials, etc!
Originally posted by the Darkone
Bor has arcane magic, he binded and banished bashir warriors or whatever they are called, but is he on Odin most likely not since Odin grew in power of the centuries.Bor taught Odin magic duh! Bor was more a force of physical nature, than magic. Odin enhance Asgard, Bor was the foundation. You are missing the point, Bor is still above beings like Hulk/Nul overall, Bor by all accounts is sky-father level in power, for it was stated he could rival Odin in power, this assuming if they would battle in Asgard, where both would be at full strength.
So show me those fts that puts Bor within high trans to low skyfather.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Basically, Sky-Fathers are pretty much exempt from strength base on the power at their disposal. Sky-Fathers are versatile beings, Evil MM is powerful as Hell but that doesn't use strength, that doesn't mean he cant beat the sh** out of cosmic beings the likes of Galactus, Celestials, etc!
So show me that versatility Bor displayed in a comic. Let's not pick and chose...sho me those fts.
Originally posted by carver9
So show me that versatility Bor displayed in a comic. Let's not pick and chose...sho me those fts.
Who said pick and chose, I said Bor at best is high trans level power or low Sky father, it doesn't change the fact that Nul/hulk cant beat him. Bor on Earth is trans and in Asgard mostly likely a sky father, either way he is still above Hulk period.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Who said pick and chose, I said Bor at best is high trans level power or low Sky father, it doesn't change the fact that Nul/hulk cant beat him. Bor on Earth is trans and in Asgard mostly likely a sky father, either way he is still above Hulk period.
This is all your opinion. I want you to show me some fts from Bor that makes him high trans to low skyfather. He was a physical character and based off of physical fts, Hulk is more powerful than him. He did nothing that Hulk couldn't do or replicate.
Show me those fts.
Originally posted by carver9Bor hasnt exactly been around as long as hulk if you noticed Carver... 😬
This is all your opinion. I want you to show me some fts from Bor that makes him high trans to low skyfather. He was a physical character and based off of physical fts, Hulk is more powerful than him. He did nothing that Hulk couldn't do or replicate.Show me those fts.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Bor hasnt exactly been around as long as hulk if you noticed Carver... 😬
Which is exactly my point. I have seen all of his appearances and Darkone is just throwing off tiers when overall Bor fts are leagues below Hulk (but yet he is a skyfather). I'm sensing a lil bias from certain peeps if you ask me.
Originally posted by carver9
Which is exactly my point. I have seen all of his appearances and Darkone is just throwing off tiers when overall Bor fts are leagues below Hulk (but yet he is a skyfather). I'm sensing a lil bias from certain peeps if you ask me.
Dud I know you are not talking about who is bias! But I wont swing and the Hulk nut sack like you, Bor at best U said is High trans on earth in Asgard a different story. Bor has not feats,that's true but it doesn't change the fact that he is above Nu, periodl.
Bor= OF Thor> Classic Thor> Nul/Hulk!
Originally posted by carver9Hm the pot shouldnt be calling the kettle black if you ask me. But honestly I think its perfectly reasonable to put Bor at Mid-high trans. He was obviously very powerful to be capable of killing classic Thor with a single shot.
Which is exactly my point. I have seen all of his appearances and Darkone is just throwing off tiers when overall Bor fts are leagues below Hulk (but yet he is a skyfather). I'm sensing a lil bias from certain peeps if you ask me.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Dud I know you are not talking about who is bias! But I wont swing and the Hulk nut sack like you, Bor at best U said is High trans on earth in Asgard a different story. Bor has not feats,that's true but it doesn't change the fact that he is above Nu, periodl.Bor= OF Thor> Classic Thor> Nul/Hulk!
WTF... Is that why Thor said that he could never beat Hulk? Because Thor is greater than him? Is that why Hulk told the entire Avengers INCLUDING Thor that they don't stand a chance in hell against his power and no one there...including Thor, disagreed with him? Get out of here with this craziness.
I want you to tell me what Bor has done to put himself in the skyfather tier since basically that is what you are basing it off of, physical might since he has done nothing energy output wise that puts him in the skyfather tier.
Buddy, you are bias, deal with it.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Hm the pot shouldnt be calling the kettle black if you ask me. But honestly I think its perfectly reasonable to put Bor at Mid-high trans. He was obviously very powerful to be capable of killing classic Thor with a single shot.
Just Hulk killed 4 Heralds, an entire race of super humans without even laying a finger on them.
Originally posted by carver9Are you talking about Arm, Bi-beast, Wendigo and Foom? None of Thor guys are Thor level. Herald does not equal Thor.
Just Hulk killed 4 Heralds, and entire race of super humans without even laying a finger on them.
Nul was pretty impressive taking down the entire army of vampires like nothing. He had some advantages regular hulk didnt like an uru hammer, spells of protection, and a significant strength increase but still. Breaking the adamantium was crazy. Until it gets rectonned I guess he actually snapped amamantium rope.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Are you talking about Arm, Bi-beast, Wendigo and Foom? None of Thor guys are Thor level. Herald does not equal Thor.Nul was pretty impressive taking down the entire army of vampires like nothing. He had some advantages regular hulk didnt like an uru hammer, spells of protection, and a significant strength increase but still. Breaking the adamantium was crazy. Until it gets rectonned I guess he actually snapped amamantium rope.
Armageddon is EASILY Thor level and Wendigo would physically give Thor hell. Bi-Beast did something that even Thor couldnt do and that was overpower Savage Hulk. These beings are physically high Herald and Armageddon IS a High Herald and he got his head crushed by a holding back Hulk.
As for Nul, well, he was basically WWH. In the beginning during his fight against the avengers, I thought he was Savage Hulk level until I seen his showing against Thor and the Vampire Nation.
Bor isn't ripping adamantium and he sure as hell isn't crushing Uru or destroying continents while walking through the park or annihilating planets while fist cuffing.
Bor doesn't have the physical fts Hulk got.
Originally posted by carver9how is arm high herald? Even if he is he is not as powerful or durable as thor. Thors damahe soak and durability are about as good as it getd. Thor over powered hulk physically the very first time they fought. Then held an enraged hulk for over an hour. Ok arm got beat by a holding back hulk...cool?
Armageddon is EASILY Thor level and Wendigo would physically give Thor hell. Bi-Beast did something that even Thor couldnt do and that was overpower Savage Hulk. These beings are physically high Herald and Armageddon IS a High Herald and he got his head crushed by a holding back Hulk.As for Nul, well, he was basically WWH. In the beginning during his fight against the avengers, I thought he was Savage Hulk level until I seen his showing against Thor and the Vampire Nation.
Bor isn't ripping adamantium and he sure as hell isn't crushing Uru or destroying continents while walking through the park or annihilating planets while fist cuffing.
Bor doesn't have the physical fts Hulk got.
Nul is wwh with a strenght increase, protective spells and an asgardian hammer. He is a beast. Bendis made amockery of jim at first but what can you expect? It's bendis. I'm surprised nul wasnt knocked out. He finished strong thankfully.
Admantium is not beyond bors ability to break in my opinion. Tio be fair marvel did job ouf admantium pretty bad. Thor had actuslly done something similar and snapped admantium cables by flexing.
yeah cuz he was only in a handful of comics lol. from what he has shoen though and his rep he ahould kill nul.
Originally posted by Damborgson
how is arm high herald? Even if he is he is not as powerful or durable as thor. Thors damahe soak and durability are about as good as it getd. Thor over powered hulk physically the very first time they fought. Then held an enraged hulk for over an hour. Ok arm got beat by a holding back hulk...cool?
Just cuz hulk says he was conveniently holding back the entire time
does not mean he was not trying. He did kill him after all. And he put forth a lot more effort in the end to kill him also. His first couple of shots didn't do
much to arm except mess up his clothes.Nul is wwh with a strenght increase, protective spells and an asgardian hammer. He is a beast. Bendis made amockery of jim at first but what can you expect? It's bendis. I'm surprised nul wasnt knocked out. He finished strong thankfully.
Admantium is not beyond bors ability to break in my opinion. Tio be fair marvel did job ouf admantium pretty bad. Thor had actuslly done something similar and snapped admantium cables by flexing.
yeah cuz he was only in a handful of comics lol. from what he has shoen though and his rep he ahould kill nul.
Arm is high Herald because he took out both Surfer and Hulk by his lonesome. I agree, Thor damage soak and durability is up there but so are other Heralds.
Hulk held back...that's all we need to know and he easily crushed an elite Herald.
Lol...there was nothing stated on panel that the hammer gave Nul any type of physical stat increase. The protective spells, you might have an argument against piercing damage but let's not forgets WWH withstood a beating from Zom strange and bounced back up 100% so Nul tanking hits from Thor means craps. He was WWH except he was WWH with additional powers. There is no way to increase Hulks strength when overall, he doesn't have a cap on his strength. How in the world can someone say "Hulk got a strength increase"...does that make sense to you?
He was WWH but he wasnt as much of a threat as WWH was. WWH by his lonesome had the entire planet on lockdown and had everyone in fear.
So you have proof that Bor can rip Uru material with his hands?
You do know that Hulk is about to have more crazy fts under his belt right? How will KMC handle it? There will be a lot of people on here with gray hair before Marvel is done giving Hulk all of these insane fts.