Battle of Helms Deep vs. Harry Potter Deathly Hallows Part 2
Imagine the 10,000 or so Uruk-hai along with all the Naz-gul and all who fight in defense of Helms Deep are unified now as Voldemort's forces who stormed Hogwarts and those who defended Hogwarts are all trying to conquer Helm's Deep.
Can Voldemort and the Harry Potter gang successfully conquer this unified, massive Lord of the Rings force ? Go ahead and weigh in. This stuff matters and stuff.
Originally posted by Korto VosEvery hero involved in Helms deep's defense. Every wizard who attacked Hogwarts along with every wizard on top of the giants, spiders, and dementors along with all those who defended it are present. I am also including all the Nazgul as well.
Who is defending and who is attacking?
Lord of the Rings:
Commanders:
- Gandalf the White
- Saruman
- Witch King of Angmar
- Three Hunters (Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli)
- Theoden, Eomer, & Gamling
- Haldir
Strength:
* 2000 Rohirrim
* Host of Huorn
* 200 Elves of Lothlorien
* 300 Helms Deep Soldiers
* 100 Rohan peasants
* 10,000 Uruk-Hai Infantry (Berserkers, Tanks, Crossbowmen, Suicide Bombers, & Soldiers)
* Nazgul
Total Numbers:
- 10 Commanders
- 12,600 Troops + Host of Huorn
vs.
Harry Potter force that is at a maximum of 1000 wizard/witches and other beasts and entities.
I don't feel like providing arguments right now, but I imagine a gigantic bloodbath in which Lord of the Rings emerges victorious with great losses.
I am genuinely at a loss as to how Harry Potter magic is going to be countered here. Several Death Eaters wreck a whole bridge. 1,000 of them, including the most powerful upper echelons and Voldemort himself are present. There is nothing that can be done to stop them. I'll say it again: blow up the walls, blow up the fort, bring the canyon down on the ruins and survivors. Minimal casualties for the Death Eaters, if any at all.
Originally posted by ares834
Doubtful... All of the Wizards will be capable of killing at least an average of 13 LotR army men and some will be capable of far more.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I am genuinely at a loss as to how Harry Potter magic is going to be countered here. Several Death Eaters wreck a whole bridge. 1,000 of them, including the most powerful upper echelons and Voldemort himself are present. There is nothing that can be done to stop them. I'll say it again: blow up the walls, blow up the fort, bring the canyon down on the ruins and survivors. Minimal casualties for the Death Eaters, if any at all.
I am imagining HP Army is attacking, and LOTR forces are defending.
Nazgul Demoralization: The Nine, on top of their Fell Beasts, can depress many of the wizards/witches with their horrifying shrieks, thereby rendering a lot of them ineffective for a short period of time.
Torrential Arrow-fall: The firing rate and amount of projectiles unleashed upon the HP Army is staggering. One arrow/bolt/missile will be enough to kill a witch/wizard, since robes provide minimal protection. Elven archers and the Helms Deep forces will be raining arrows. The Rohirrim cavalry can fire arrows from horseback. The Uruk-Hai has hundreds of crossbowmen. The Nazgul can throw down humongous pieces of debris.
Rohirrim Cavalry Charge : In the Battle of Pelennor Fields, we see the Rohirrim cavalry being able to accelerate and charge across a large distance with incredible speed, while being hailed by waves of Orc arrows, and still keeping the vast majority of its forces intact.
Like in TTT, the cavalry can flank the HP army by moving down the valley. Gandalf on Shadowfax can unleash Blinding Light to immobilize the closest opposition, and the riders can rip through the HP Army.
Uruk-Hai Fodder : You have 10,000 Uruk-Hai whose greatest strength is this situation are their sheer numbers. I envision the Uruks on the ground guarding the Deeping Wall. As the HP Army pushes forward against the Uruk-Hai, bringing them down, it also has to contend with a hurricane of arrows, Rohirrim cavalry charge, and Nazgul flying above.
Uruk-Hai Suicide Bombers : Well, the Uruk-Hai can plant charges across the field before the Deeping Wall, and have berserkers lit the blasting powders, causing massive explosions that will kill large chunks of the HP Army.
Weakness in Close Combat : Ignoring the beasts and other entities, the wizards/witches themselves are vulnerable in hand-to-hand close combat. Wizarding duels are ranged battles, not performed in extremely close proximity. In addition, the wizards/witches are not clad in battle armor. As a result, if they find themselves swarmed by LOTR forces, they will likely get cut down.
Thus, even after bringing down the Deeping Wall, if they manage to do so, the HP Army will find themselves engaging LOTR forces in close quarters in the Hornburg fortress.
Like I said, LOTR will have a massive amount of casualties, but they will prevail after an arduous, bloody affair.
I don't see how an en masse 'Protego' is going to fail to stop any of those attacks. And I very much doubt the Nazgul's effectiveness here. Their one good move is demoralization, but considering the ability the ordinary Men of Gondor and Rohan had in keeping it all together, I doubt an army of evil wizards are going to fare worse. Especially the higher ranks.
Fiendfyre, Protego, Bombarda Maxima---massive casualties can be inflicted before anyone even comes close to one another, and should the LotR fellows manage to get close somehow... Avada Kedavra, Stupefy, any curse, hex, or jinx that renders a bipedal organism immobile/dead. The Winged Beasts are just really big targets, the Huorn are just a massive wall flaming Fiendyre, and the Uruks, Elves, and Rohirrim are all fodder. And should any of the wizards start apparating in their weird solid smoke thing---the defenders are right and truly f*cked even more than before.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I don't see how an en masse 'Protego' is going to fail to stop any of those attacks.
I don't see how continuous volleys of hundreds of arrows flying from all directions wouldn't be effective.
And I very much doubt the Nazgul's effectiveness here. Their one good move is demoralization, but considering the ability the ordinary Men of Gondor and Rohan had in keeping it all together, I doubt an army of evil wizards are going to fare worse. Especially the higher ranks.
"ordinary" Men of Gondor? You have to be kidding me- these soldiers are hardy men who have a lifetime of battle in border wars against Mordor. If they are that perturbed by the Nazgul, the wizards will be even more demoralized.
Fiendfyre, Protego, Bombarda Maxima---massive casualties can be inflicted before anyone even comes close to one another
Arrows/bolts/missiles/debris- all deadly aerial attacks that are fired from range?
And repeating my previous argument, the Rohirrim cavalry, with Gandalf on Shadowfax, should have most of its forces intact before colliding into the bulk of the HP Army.
and should the LotR fellows manage to get close somehow... Avada Kedavra, Stupefy, any curse, hex, or jinx that renders a bipedal organism immobile/dead.
Sure, but close quarter combat highly disfavors the wizards/witches. They aren't trained, unlike LOTR troops, in engaging in hand to hand battle and constantly looking for enemies coming in from any direction. A single sword strike, from anywhere, would kill a wizard/witch.
The Winged Beasts are just really big targets, the Huorn are just a massive wall flaming Fiendyre, and the Uruks, Elves, and Rohirrim are all fodder.
* Except, y'know, if they were "just really big targets," it's surprising how nobody for Gondor or Rohan are able to bring them down during Pelennor Fields. The Nazgul's disabling shrieks, and speed of the Fell Beasts, will guarantee their survival.
* The Huorn will just add to the chaos. The arrow-fall may cause retreats into the so-called trees, where the Huorn will ambush the opposition. And considering how very, very few wizards master Fiendfyre, such a spell would be as devastating for the HP Army.
* The Uruk-Hai are fodder- but by the time all 10,000 of them are dead, a majority of the wizards/witches will be dead as well.
And should any of the wizards start apparating in their weird solid smoke thing---the defenders are right and truly f*cked even more than before.
No, they are just f*cking themselves by doing that; if they find themselves surrounded by big guys with swords, they may take some guys with them, but they are definitely dying.