Thor vs Gladiator

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Full Confidence Gladiator = every time Gladiator's fought without his confidence being specifically mentioned, shown, or alluded to be lowered. Unless you think he enters fight only moderately confident or a little confident or something, which doesn't make sense. Burden of proof is on you to prove when he's not fully confident.

"Planet feat", ha ha. That overhyped piece of crap feat doesn't mean much. He broke apart a giant space rock with no defined mass, size, etc with a handful of blows. Gray Hulk shattered an asteroid bigger than the Earth. Is he stronger than Thor? (Answer: no). Thor's pure strength feats against other characters and in the general sense prove his superiority over Gladiator. But for argument's sake, does Glad's have any other feats to suggest he's stronger than Thor or is that it? Because it certainly seems to be the only feat that people cling to to suggest him being stronger than Thor. He's not even stronger than Masterson Thor.

Striking feats go to Thor, no question.

Durability/damage soak go to Thor.

I wonder why you even bother with him

Originally posted by carver9
I already seen those fts and honestly, I wasn't impressed. Majority of his fts revolves around his hammer.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Majority of Hulk's feats revolve around the gamma bomb that created him. All of them actually

😂

A Wolverine vs Batman thread at comicbookresources had Sharp, the mod, claiming if a characters written for a certain way for a long time, they'll use that version. He said this to justify not using "Godverine" feats...

This is interesting, because there they ALWAYS go with Gladiators best feats like smashing a planet, even if he's much more consistently written beneath that level..

So characters like Gladiator or Dr. Strange will get cited for feats from the 70's or earlier, but Wolverine will be argued at "current" levels..

I guess every forum has their bias.

And Thor wins.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Busting that planet with multiple all out punches beat Thor's high end striking feats? Fracturing reality, breaking celestial armor, etc...

I said with fists. Remember this is h2h.

With that said, I don't agree that celestial armor is very durable against Thor's mightiest slams. I don't even believe they are on the level of adamantium or uru metal. The reason why Thor can puncture them is because pressure = force/area and since Thor's hammer has a very small area in comparison to the size of a celestial then it is highly possible to puncture a celestial. It's like Logan being able to cut through anything without being strong enough (indestructible claws + sharpness or small area).

And context please.
Fracturing reality wasn't a purely physical strength feat. It is unquantifiable at best.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Full Confidence Gladiator = every time Gladiator's fought without his confidence being specifically mentioned, shown, or alluded to be lowered. Unless you think he enters fight only moderately confident or a little confident or something, which doesn't make sense. Burden of proof is on you to prove when he's not fully confident.

"Planet feat", ha ha. That overhyped piece of crap feat doesn't mean much. He broke apart a giant space rock with no defined mass, size, etc with a handful of blows. Gray Hulk shattered an asteroid bigger than the Earth. Is he stronger than Thor? (Answer: no). Thor's pure strength feats against other characters and in the general sense prove his superiority over Gladiator. But for argument's sake, does Glad's have any other feats to suggest he's stronger than Thor or is that it? Because it certainly seems to be the only feat that people cling to to suggest him being stronger than Thor. He's not even stronger than Masterson Thor.

Striking feats go to Thor, no question.

Durability/damage soak go to Thor.

Take your pick then.

1. Glads enters comic fights not with full confidence.
2. Writers write him down from what he has shown before.

If you except 2. then Glads is still stronger since he fights at his best here.

The planet had an atmosphere and thus it was AT LEAST Mars size.
Grey Hulk did it with the help of some jet boots. So there the feat is invalid for him.

yup that's the only feat Glads have to prove he is stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by cdtm
A Wolverine vs Batman thread at comicbookresources had Sharp, the mod, claiming if a characters written for a certain way for a long time, they'll use that version. He said this to justify not using "Godverine" feats...

This is interesting, because there they ALWAYS go with Gladiators best feats like smashing a planet, even if he's much more consistently written beneath that level.

So characters like Gladiator or Dr. Strange will get cited for feats from the 70's or earlier, but Wolverine will be argued at "current" levels..

I guess every forum has their bias.

And Thor wins.

Dr. Strange gets argued for current and not for classic (unless the OP states Classic strange). Wolverine is a regular character that has far more appearances that Glads. Thus it makes sense to use current. Actually in the 70's or 80's I believe Glads was weak (even going toe to toe with Colossus).

And know that many members here argue classic thor feats more than his current feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Take your pick then.

1. Glads enters comic fights not with full confidence.
2. Writers write him down from what he has shown before.

If you except 2. then Glads is still stronger since he fights at his best here.

The planet had an atmosphere and thus it was AT LEAST Mars size.
Grey Hulk did it with the help of some jet boots. So there the feat is invalid for him.

yup that's the only feat Glads have to prove he is stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
Take your pick then.

1. Glads enters comic fights not with full confidence.
2. Writers write him down from what he has shown before.

If you except 2. then Glads is still stronger since he fights at his best here.

The planet had an atmosphere and thus it was AT LEAST Mars size.
Grey Hulk did it with the help of some jet boots. So there the feat is invalid for him.

yup that's the only feat Glads have to prove he is stronger than Thor.

If you could combine your use of easily readable posts, with well... readable subject matter, then I think you could be a winner in my book.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If you could combine your use of easily readable posts, with well... readable subject matter, then I think you could be a winner in my book.

it's rare when i actually laugh out loud, but, damn, THAT was funny... i think you may have a real chance with taylor.

Originally posted by h1a8
I said with fists. Remember this is h2h.

With that said, I don't agree that celestial armor is very durable against Thor's mightiest slams. I don't even believe they are on the level of adamantium or uru metal. The reason why Thor can puncture them is because pressure = force/area and since Thor's hammer has a very small area in comparison to the size of a celestial then it is highly possible to puncture a celestial. It's like Logan being able to cut through anything without being strong enough (indestructible claws + sharpness or small area).

And context please.
Fracturing reality wasn't a purely physical strength feat. It is unquantifiable at best.

Ah ok.

Like it matters. These 40 pages have hardly been a total h2h discussion. 😛

Well then you dont know much about them...

Their armor was incredibly durable. Planet pulverizing blows ddint mean shit to them. Its one of Thor's highest end striking feats.

Depends how you see it. Reality was in flux if i'm correct. That doesnt take away that he was able to affect reality with the swing if his hammer. There was no magic to it. It was striking power. imo when theres enough force to fracture reality it goes beyond pure physical damage. THAT SAID its a high end feat only to be used in high end feat showings. Not as the norm. Like superman shattering reality against KC superman.

As for Punching feats

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsStellaris07.jpg

^ same armor as onslaught

Character showings will always trump environmental damage attacks. Gladiator's showings against Thor and other similar characters dont put him at a higher level then Thor in the striking power or strength department.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's rare when i actually laugh out loud, but, damn, THAT was funny... i think you may have a real chance with taylor.

One day I will go to her concert, and I will try, oh boy will I try. She will reject me and I will fall into a deep depression. What an ice queen. How could she do that to me? I'm her biggest fan! 🙁

taylor hottie

Originally posted by carver9
Baseball players throw a pitch on average at 80 mph. I know for a fact humans can't move that fast. Now imagine someone with Thor arms throwing something, the speed would be insane.

Throwing something doesn't indicate how fast Thor can move.

I was talking about arm speed. Which is why, IMO, Thor can block and react to light speed attacks. He can perceive it and his arms can react to block it or counter it.

But him moving his entire body at light speed? come on, I'm a freaking Thor fanboy and I think that Thor does have super human speed but even I dont think he can move at light speeds.

Even if something is moving at a particular speed, it still has to cross a larger distance (sometimes huge distances), while raising an arm is considerably less motion to achieve in the same time.

Thor doesn't have to be ftl to react to ftl moves. Just close to them and able to perceive them.

Anyone who's played sports and stopped a ball or puck has shown reaction speed to things moving dozens of mph even though they can't run that fast.

It's still fast reactions either way.

^ true, which is what I think what most people who argue for Thor think.

Originally posted by h1a8
Take your pick then.

1. Glads enters comic fights not with full confidence.
2. Writers write him down from what he has shown before.

If you except 2. then Glads is still stronger since he fights at his best here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Mod Ruling time: Unless specifically alluded to or mentioned in the comic, Gladiator's confidence cannot be held accountable for him losing a bout. Sometimes, getting ktfo is simply what it is.

This will be going in the character ruling thread anyways.

Also, it seems the discussion we had a few pages ago has been completely forgotten by you based on the posts made on this page. It's like you're incapable of evolving or learning; maybe a different approach is needed.

You believe Gladiator is stronger than Thor and you're basing this on the one time Kallark shattered a planetoid, correct?

Originally posted by h1a8
The planet had an atmosphere and thus it was AT LEAST Mars size.
Grey Hulk did it with the help of some jet boots. So there the feat is invalid for him.

Prove that the planet had an atmosphere and is at least the size of Mars.

You make a lot of assumptions, guesses and leaps when it suits you but turn around and try your best to invalidate shit when it doesn't.

You are arguably the most hypocritical person I've ever had the misfortune of encountering. I wouldn't have such a problem with it if you at least did it on purpose (You might be, if so, props, excellent trolling).

You should try being more open to other ideas.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also, it seems the discussion we had a few pages ago has been completely forgotten by you based on the posts made on this page. It's like you're incapable of evolving or learning; maybe a different approach is needed.

You believe Gladiator is stronger than Thor and you're basing this on the one time Kallark shattered a planetoid, correct?

Prove that the planet had an atmosphere and is at least the size of Mars.

You make a lot of assumptions, guesses and leaps when it suits you but turn around and try your best to invalidate shit when it doesn't.

You are arguably the most hypocritical person I've ever had the misfortune of encountering. I wouldn't have such a problem with it if you at least did it on purpose (You might be, if so, props, excellent trolling).

You should try being more open to other ideas.

H1A8, just in case you try an argue that any planet of sufficient size can have an atmosphere, I'd just like to head you off, and say that it also depends on the distance the planetary body is from its sun.

Originally posted by h1a8

The planet had an atmosphere and thus it was AT LEAST Mars size.
Grey Hulk did it with the help of some jet boots. So there the feat is invalid for him.

Ah so it was the jet boots that did it?! Wow thats some powerful jet boots!

If its called a planet...it had to be of sufficient size. Anything smaller than a planet would be called an asteroid "correct". Isn't that's why they had such a hard time with Pluto? Didn't know if they should call it a planet or a big a** rock?

Originally posted by carver9
If its called a planet...it had to be of sufficient size. Anything smaller than a planet would be called an asteroid "correct". Isn't that's why they had such a hard time with Pluto? Didn't know if they should call it a planet or a big a** rock?

True.

So we can at least say that it was at least Pluto's size. Which, knowing h1a8, probably messes all his carefully crafted equations up...