Thor vs Gladiator

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually its you declaring 90% of his showings as PIS when you deny he has the reflexes to react the speedsters. According to you all his fights against Surfer, Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry, Hermes e.t.c e.t.c are all PIS! Oh wait they're all just high end feats right??! And yet Glads blitzing High Heralds is the Norm?

When did I say that Thor's fights with all the characters you listed were PIS. I just said that they were Thor's high end speed feat and can't be used as his norm. You hollering at the top of your lungs wouldn't change that. That's like I claiming because gladiator showed nanosecond reflexes, he would always fight at that speeds. Stop using high end feats only.

And stop low balling. You say Im using High end feats which apparently isnt allowed, and then you bring up Thor's lowest showings and say we should accept that as the Norm??!

Who's lowballing? I never said Thor getting stabbed or failing to chase a car are his normal speed. I just said those because you are trying to pass Thor's fight with surfer or gladiator as his norm while picturing any low showing of thor as PIS.

Saying Thor has a history of struggling with speed is complete Bull. From his early showing he's always been able to deflect bullets. Does that sound like struggling with Speed??!

Daredevil has deflected bullets with his club before, cap has said bullets travel in slow motion to him


Damn near every street level character has some kind of bullet deflecting feat so what does that prove?

Here's captain america dodging bullets

That deflecting proves only one thing that classic thor was not bulletproof. 😛

And are you really denying the Thor fights where he cant hit Spidey or Wolverine are total PIS, or at the very least CIS??! If Thor wanted he could just Lightning strike them no problem.

Thor doesn't go shooting his own allies with lightning. I can see that's a case of CIS but we don't count CIS off unless specified.

I never said Thor is an actual "speedster" however, so stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he can punch a million times a second, or run at lightspeeds.

So he has lightspeed reflexes but can't run at those speeds or punch at those speeds??! What kind of logic is that? Throwing some punches are a lot easier than moving your whole body at those speeds.

What I have said is what comics have shown us, that he has the reflexes and reaction time to react to speedsters. And that when he does react to them he has the versatility and powerset to hit them, especially with Mjolnir.

I never denied that Thor can hit speedsters and they are not going to overwhelm at their normal operating speed, but you are claiming that he is going to react to every move they are going to make is not true. Thor reacting to speedsters is perfectly acceptable to me but they are going to hold an edge, smaller in case of some like gladiator who don't use their speed often and larger in case of someone like superman who uses his speed more than anyone bar a flash. But he IS going to hit them because barring Flash no one goes lightspeed as their normal speed.

If you deny this then show me an instance where Thor couldn't hit a speedster, could not even react to one, and just got completely blitz. Show me an instance or just shut it because Im getting fed up of repeating this argument and the Thor haters putting words in my mouth.

Calm down, if you read my first post in this thread I said Thor would win 6-7/10 regardless of gladiator's speed. Stop trying to paint someone thor hater because he doesn't agree that Thor has lightspeed reflexes. Where did I say that speedsters would overwhelm thor or he would not react to them? He is going to react to them but not every one of their moves.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah being a slow poke to spidey or wolverine is definetely PIS. This shows how fast Thor can physically move. And this is just physical movement.

He can fly and spin Mjolnir at Lightspeeds. And he has been shown to fight while flying at those speeds as well.

So again comparing him to Spiderman or Wolverine is frankly quite retarded. They will have decent showings against him and other Hight Heralds simply because they are the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish.

What does that prove, wolverine has moved faster than human eye can see, here he literally vanishes right in front of them
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3725/speedbarvw6.jpg

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

I never said Thor is an actual "speedster" however, so stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he can punch a million times a second, or run at lightspeeds.

What I have said is what comics have shown us, that he has the reflexes and reaction time to react to speedsters. And that when he does react to them he has the versatility and powerset to hit them, especially with Mjolnir.

Actually, I do recall one instance wherein Thor tossed something at light speed other than mjolnier.

To throw something at light speed would mean that Thor was moving his arm at light speed. you know, transfer of energy and shit like that.

Only thing is, the thing that Thor threw was a pie 😛

He threw a pie at light speed at Balder, which Balder blocked 😆

Glads has proven nano second reflexes no doubt. But to Jake's point, if you're going to make the argumemt that he's going to blitz Thor, you at least have to him actually doing it in that fashion on panel in battle. Just because a guy is fast doesn't necessitate that he'd blitz. You have to at least show some semblance of him doing it in character. Preferably in cqb.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Actually, I do recall one instance wherein Thor tossed something at light speed other than mjolnier.

To throw something at light speed would mean that Thor was moving his arm at light speed. you know, transfer of energy and shit like that.

Only thing is, the thing that Thor threw was a pie 😛

He threw a pie at light speed at Balder, which Balder blocked 😆

Baseball players throw a pitch on average at 80 mph. I know for a fact humans can't move that fast. Now imagine someone with Thor arms throwing something, the speed would be insane.

Throwing something doesn't indicate how fast Thor can move.

Originally posted by dmills
Glads has proven nano second reflexes no doubt. But to Jake's point, if you're going to make the argumemt that he's going to blitz Thor, you at least have to him actually doing it in that fashion on panel in battle. Just because a guy is fast doesn't necessitate that he'd blitz. You have to at least show some semblance of him doing it in character. Preferably in cqb.

What kind of fts are you looking for?

Anything resembling the strategy given by how those who feel Gladiator would beat Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
Baseball players throw a pitch on average at 80 mph. I know for a fact humans can't move that fast. Now imagine someone with Thor arms throwing something, the speed would be insane.

Throwing something doesn't indicate how fast Thor can move.

So how fast are the baseball player's arms moving when they throw a 80mph pitch?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So how fast are the baseball player's arms moving when they throw a 80mph pitch?

Not 80 mph.

Originally posted by carver9
Not 80 mph.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Anything resembling the strategy given by how those who feel Gladiator would beat Thor?

Gotcha because I already told you Thor will hit Gladiator so I guess that question doesn't apply to me.

What a horrible analogy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you sure about that?

Positive. I have no doubts that Thor could throw something at light speed. Hell, Colossus has thrown something out of orbit and it covered the distance in seconds. If Colossus, Juggernaut (thrown objects out if space that flew past planets in seconds) can throw objects at light speed, why cant Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
Positive. I have no doubts that Thor could throw something at light speed. Hell, Colossus has thrown something out of orbit and it covered the distance in seconds. If Colossus, Juggernaut (thrown objects out if space that flew past planets in seconds) can throw objects at light speed, why cant Thor?

How does the ball reach 80mph if the object throwing it isn't moving at 80 mph?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How does the ball reach 80mph if the object throwing it isn't moving at 80 mph?

Strength plays it part.

Originally posted by carver9
Strength plays it part.

How does strength make the ball move faster than the arm that is actually throwing it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How does strength make the ball move faster than the arm that is actually throwing it?

If Colossus and Juggernaut can do it, I feel safe to say that Thor and Hulk can do it as well. Hulk through Fing Fang to the moon and he made it there in a panel.

Comic book and real world logic are 2 different things.

Originally posted by Silent Master
How does strength make the ball move faster than the arm that is actually throwing it?

Leverage and mechanics

Originally posted by dmills
Glads has proven nano second reflexes no doubt. But to Jake's point, if you're going to make the argumemt that he's going to blitz Thor, you at least have to him actually doing it in that fashion on panel in battle. Just because a guy is fast doesn't necessitate that he'd blitz. You have to at least show some semblance of him doing it in character. Preferably in cqb.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well if Glads gets neutered (by not speed blitzing) in order for Thor to have a chance then in my book Glads CAN really beat Thor for a majority. But a neutered Glads will lose.

No he can not, even the future Gladiator said that Thor is too powerful for him to beat. Head up Thor destroys Gladiator it's not even close, it would have to be a handicap in favor for Gladiator to give him a chance like BRB. Asusually you don't know sh**, you are going by theoiries not panel and feats, but it's you, talking out of your a$$!