Thor vs Gladiator

Originally posted by Silent Master
How does strength make the ball move faster than the arm that is actually throwing it?

In reality it would be nonsense (except with collisions it works). But comic logic and even movie logic (where Zod pushes the man through the wall at slow speed but the man flies through the wall very fast) it exists.

Thus I would say that, in comics, throwing something in general (some exceptions though) has nothing to do with arm speed but rather strength. Also, Thor needs time to build the hammer's speed to light speeds. He can't achieve that speed instantly. With any acceleration anyone can reach ANY speed provided they spend enough time accelerating to that speed.

Guess how long it would take to achieve light speed if I accelerated 10m/s^2?

Ans.
About 347 days which is less than one year.

Originally posted by the Darkone
No he can not, even the future Gladiator said that Thor is too powerful for him to beat. Head up Thor destroys Gladiator it's not even close, it would have to be a handicap in favor for Gladiator to give him a chance like BRB. Asusually you don't know sh**, you are going by theoiries not panel and feats, but it's you, talking out of your a$$!

What can Thor really do if Glads decided to fight him at hyper speeds during the whole match? Thor wouldn't be able to get a chance to do anything exotic.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually its you declaring 90% of his showings as PIS when you deny he has the reflexes to react the speedsters. According to you all his fights against Surfer, Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry, Hermes e.t.c e.t.c are all PIS! Oh wait they're all just high end feats right??! And yet Glads blitzing High Heralds is the Norm?

And stop low balling. You say Im using High end feats which apparently isnt allowed, and then you bring up Thor's lowest showings and say we should accept that as the Norm??!

Saying Thor has a history of struggling with speed is complete Bull. From his early showing he's always been able to deflect bullets. Does that sound like struggling with Speed??!

And are you really denying the Thor fights where he cant hit Spidey or Wolverine are total PIS, or at the very least CIS??! If Thor wanted he could just Lightning strike them no problem.

I never said Thor is an actual "speedster" however, so stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he can punch a million times a second, or run at lightspeeds.

What I have said is what comics have shown us, that he has the reflexes and reaction time to react to speedsters. And that when he does react to them he has the versatility and powerset to hit them, especially with Mjolnir.

If you deny this then show me an instance where Thor couldn't hit a speedster, could not even react to one, and just got completely blitz. Show me an instance or just shut it because Im getting fed up of repeating this argument and the Thor haters putting words in my mouth.

Be careful. Reacting to speedsters when they are not using their full speed is not PIS. Also reacting to a speeding attack from afar is different than reacting to one from close range. For example, I can hit a 90mph baseball with a bat from 60ft away but wouldn't have a chance in hell to hit it if it was thrown at 6ft away.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did I say that Thor's fights with all the characters you listed were PIS. I just said that they were Thor's high end speed feat and can't be used as his norm. You hollering at the top of your lungs wouldn't change that. That's like I claiming because gladiator showed nanosecond reflexes, he would always fight at that speeds. Stop using high end feats only.

Ok. As long as you're not calling his high end feats PIS then thats fine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who's lowballing? I never said Thor getting stabbed or failing to chase a car are his normal speed. I just said those because you are trying to pass Thor's fight with surfer or gladiator as his norm while picturing any low showing of thor as PIS..

Well Thor's fights with Glads and Surfer are his norm when fighting Speedsters. So when he fights and reacts while flying at super speeds, then cant react to something simple like a knife, I would say thats either PIS or CIS at work there. Im just giving you the benefit of the doubt here btw, since Iv never seen these scenes of him being stabbed by a human, or not able to catch up to a truck. Are these old comics?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Daredevil has deflected bullets with his club before, cap has said bullets travel in slow motion to him

Damn near every street level character has some kind of bullet deflecting feat so what does that prove?

Daredevil deflects bullets due to his extra sensory perceptions.

As for street levelers, anyone who can leap relatively quickly can possibly just jump around and hope to avoid bullets being fired.

But actually deflecting them Wonder Woman style requires a certain amount of precision and seeing those bullets coming. That requires speed perception. The same speed perception with which Thor could see Hermes when no street leveler would be able to.

It also requires very fast reaction time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here's captain america dodging bullets

Again someone who can leap relatively fast, and does have good reflexes, jumps arounds to avoid the bullets. Not the same thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That deflecting proves only one thing that classic thor was not bulletproof. 😛

Well yeah you got me here. Apparantly he wasn't bullet proof despite being able to rip tanks apart 😠

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor doesn't go shooting his own allies with lightning. I can see that's a case of CIS but we don't count CIS off unless specified.

That was my point. CIS at the very least was definetely on. Im sure Thor holds back while fighting the likes of Spiderman, so it doesn't really prove anything because if he's holding back with the Lightning and his strength its hard to tell the extent to which he is holding back in all areas.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So he has lightspeed reflexes but can't run at those speeds or punch at those speeds??! What kind of logic is that? Throwing some punches are a lot easier than moving your whole body at those speeds.

Welcome to the world of comic books. Its not real life and has its own set of rules. Although I would point out Thor being a god would be even less inclined to be following the normal rules of science. But basically he's been shown to have godly reflexes, reaction time and perceptions more than once.

But Il agree with you its not something he utilzes in every fight. So in that sense its not the norm for him, but the ability seems to be there if required.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never denied that Thor can hit speedsters and they are not going to overwhelm at their normal operating speed, but you are claiming that he is going to react to every move they are going to make is not true. Thor reacting to speedsters is perfectly acceptable to me but they are going to hold an edge, smaller in case of some like gladiator who don't use their speed often and larger in case of someone like superman who uses his speed more than anyone bar a flash. But he IS going to hit them because barring Flash no one goes lightspeed as their normal speed.

Hey I never claimed he will defintely react everytime to everything a speedster does. Just that he has shown to be able to do it. I also never claimed he will get in the same number of hits as the speedster.

But if you're talking about the norm then my argument was he has on almost all occasions when fighting speedsters been shown to be able to react to them. Sometimes he takes a few hits first (like against Gladiator actually). But the norm is for him to react in good enough time, and attack back without too many problems. And lets face it its not the norm for Glads to punch his opponent a million times a second either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Calm down, if you read my first post in this thread I said Thor would win 6-7/10 regardless of gladiator's speed. Stop trying to paint someone thor hater because he doesn't agree that Thor has lightspeed reflexes. Where did I say that speedsters would overwhelm thor or he would not react to them? He is going to react to them but not every one of their moves.

Ok I apologise, I completely misinterpreted your stance, and put you into the same category as some of the anti-thor posters here. My bad.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well if Glads gets neutered (by not speed blitzing) in order for Thor to have a chance then in my book Glads CAN really beat Thor for a majority. But a neutered Glads will lose.

Exactly, why are we even arguing over speed, when the OP specifically said they're at the same speed????

Originally posted by dmills
Look man, I'm not big on telling people how to debate but the Glads side is killing me here. I think you all are making the wrong argument. Instead of arguing over speed etc, you should focus on making the Thor side prove that he can beat a Glads level opponent at his own game. Namely, h2h combat for an extended period of time. Ask for ask for very specific showings. In other words, demand the same standard of proof from the Thor side regarding unarmed combating feats that they've demanded for Glads speed feats.

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Literally everything I've cited comes from actual feats and on panel evidence of what Thor has done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly, why are we even arguing over speed, when the OP specifically said they're at the same speed????

Because speed is literally the only category in which Gladiator holds an edge over Thor in. And it's just that, an edge. Nothing more. Strength? Thor. Striking power? Thor. Durability? Thor. Etc, etc, etc.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Literally everything I've cited comes from actual feats and on panel evidence of what Thor has done.

Because speed is literally the only category in which Gladiator holds an edge over Thor in. And it's just that, an edge. Nothing more. Strength? Thor. Striking power? Thor. Durability? Thor. Etc, etc, etc.

Strength goes to a full confidence Glads. An average Glads is about even to Thor though.

Striking power goes to Glads because of the planet feat. Thor has nothing better.

Durability against physical punches is about even.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Literally everything I've cited comes from actual feats and on panel evidence of what Thor has done.

Because speed is literally the only category in which Gladiator holds an edge over Thor in. And it's just that, an edge. Nothing more. Strength? Thor. Striking power? Thor. Durability? Thor. Etc, etc, etc.

Gladiator is stronger and more durable that Thor. Thor would still win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Strength goes to a full confidence Glads. An average Glads is about even to Thor though.

Striking power goes to Glads because of the planet feat. Thor has nothing better.

Durability against physical punches is about even.

Full Confidence Gladiator = every time Gladiator's fought without his confidence being specifically mentioned, shown, or alluded to be lowered. Unless you think he enters fight only moderately confident or a little confident or something, which doesn't make sense. Burden of proof is on you to prove when he's not fully confident.

"Planet feat", ha ha. That overhyped piece of crap feat doesn't mean much. He broke apart a giant space rock with no defined mass, size, etc with a handful of blows. Gray Hulk shattered an asteroid bigger than the Earth. Is he stronger than Thor? (Answer: no). Thor's pure strength feats against other characters and in the general sense prove his superiority over Gladiator. But for argument's sake, does Glad's have any other feats to suggest he's stronger than Thor or is that it? Because it certainly seems to be the only feat that people cling to to suggest him being stronger than Thor. He's not even stronger than Masterson Thor.

Striking feats go to Thor, no question.

Durability/damage soak go to Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator is stronger and more durable that Thor. Thor would still win.

Prove it with feats.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prove it with feats.

I don't have too because you don't have any proof that Thor is stronger.

By the way, I think this punch would ko Thor. It had enough force that it was going to knock Sam from Earth into the core of the sun (he absorbed it though).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/116/99564040gc5.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
I don't have too because you don't have any proof that Thor is stronger.

By the way, I think this punch would ko Thor. It had enough force that it was going to knock Sam from Earth into the core of the sun (he absorbed it though).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/116/99564040gc5.jpg/

Except I do. Most of it has been posted in the Battlezone. Thor's feats > Gladiator's. Accept it.

It wouldn't ko Thor. Not based off of what Thor has endured that hasn't KO'd him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except I do. Most of it has been posted in the Battlezone. Thor's feats > Gladiator's. Accept it.

It wouldn't ko Thor. Not based off of what Thor has endured that hasn't KO'd him.

I already seen those fts and honestly, I wasn't impressed. Majority of his fts revolves around his hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
I already seen those fts and honestly, I wasn't impressed. Majority of his fts revolves around his hammer.

His pure strength feats are, on average, equal to Gladiator. At his best, they're beyond him. Yeah, a majority of Thor's feats include Mjolnir. Just like a majority of Green Lantern feats revolve around a power ring. Trying to divorce Thor from his hammer in some thinly veiled (and it's not thinly veiled when we boil right down to it) attempt to make a futile point is another attempt to try and place Gladiator on Thor's level or in some cases, above him, which is ridiculous.

Gladiator's best feats are his x100 lightspeed flight travel (no combat speed shown at all) and breaking apart a giant uninhabited rock with his bare hands, and people somehow think they translate into him beating Thor.

Unfortunately, Gladiator is simply not equipped to engage in an all out feat war with Thor. In an average confrontation, Thor beats Gladiator in a decent bout. That's nothing to get upset or butthurt about.

got to love people who wank that 1 gladiator feat of him destroying a big rock

I'm not gonna try and say that destroying that planet/large rock wasn't impressive or anything. It was. But its nothing Thor can't do. With or without Mjolnir imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
His pure strength feats are, on average, equal to Gladiator. At his best, they're beyond him. Yeah, a majority of Thor's feats include Mjolnir. Just like a majority of Green Lantern feats revolve around a power ring. Trying to divorce Thor from his hammer in some thinly veiled (and it's not thinly veiled when we boil right down to it) attempt to make a futile point is another attempt to try and place Gladiator on Thor's level or in some cases, above him, which is ridiculous.

Gladiator's best feats are his x100 lightspeed flight travel (no combat speed shown at all) and breaking apart a giant uninhabited rock with his bare hands, and people somehow think they translate into him beating Thor.

Unfortunately, Gladiator is simply not equipped to engage in an all out feat war with Thor. In an average confrontation, Thor beats Gladiator in a decent bout. That's nothing to get upset or butthurt about.

But the planet destroying feat bests anything Thor has done without his hammer. It's not about the quantity of feats but the quality of the BEST feat.

Thor has more feats because he has had his own comic for more than 4 decades. He literally has appeared in thousands of comics. Yet Glads best is better.

Wasn't the hyperspeed feat from an altered timeline?

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has the feats of operating at hyper speed (everyone including Thor is frozen) and fighting at ftl speeds.

But the planet destroying feat bests anything Thor has done without his hammer. It's not about the quantity of feats but the quality of the BEST feat.

Thor has more feats because he has had his own comic for more than 4 decades. He literally has appeared in thousands of comics. Yet Glads best is better.