PIS vs Typical Feats

so, PIS comes up a LOT. i've always thought that PIS feats are simply outlier feats without sufficient 'collateral' proof. we hear low feats labelled PIS TOO often, imo, but the PIS pedulum swings both ways. i've listed just a couple feats below. are they PIS? i leave that to you. if you say NO, though, then the implication is simple--it is NOT an outlier, and it can be supported by OTHER feats to prove it. can these feats be PROVEN to be PIS-free?

1. thor lifts the midgard serpent
2. hal's krona buster
3. pre-wwh shatters an asteroid 2x size of earth

feel free to add others that i know i left out. if you feel your faves feats AREN'T PIS, prove it. 🙂

3 is pis considering it was gray hulk

1 and 2 are legit though

Number 1 was just a wacky feat but legit. Gray Hulk's powers are no different from Savage Hulks he just starts off at a lower level. With a grave situation like the Earth about to be destroyed, his adrenaline would have gone through the roof as would his strength.

In a forum fight it's very unlikely he would hit planet crushing heights unless there were specific stips for that thread, but given enough time or the right motivation Grey Hulk could surpass a lot of the top guys in strength.

All actions in comics are plot based. The whole argument is a paradox.

1. Thor did that thrice. 1st the cat that was really the midgardserpent, second the fishing thing, third the serpent disguised as fin fang foom (though just the foot but he had brittle bones).

third times a charm so i'd have to say not PIS

Originally posted by MF DELPH
All actions in comics are plot based. The whole argument is a paradox.

I think their all okay...

Originally posted by Uriel005
true but not all plot is stupid. For example Batman getting into a legitimate fist fight and tanking shots off of a class 100+ brick should never happen let alone actually having the damage output to bring them down. Case and point being Solomon Grundy when he is acting as a JLA wrecker.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, PIS comes up a LOT. i've always thought that PIS feats are simply outlier feats without sufficient 'collateral' proof. we hear low feats labelled PIS TOO often, imo, but the PIS pedulum swings both ways. i've listed just a couple feats below. are they PIS? i leave that to you. if you say NO, though, then the implication is simple--it is NOT an outlier, and it can be supported by OTHER feats to prove it. can these feats be PROVEN to be PIS-free?

1. thor lifts the midgard serpent
2. hal's krona buster
3. pre-wwh shatters an asteroid 2x size of earth

feel free to add others that i know i left out. if you feel your faves feats AREN'T PIS, prove it. 🙂

EDIT: Hal is a bit iffy it was way over his usual portrayal at this point but it not THAT long ago maybe DC decided to put him higher in teh power herachy.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
1. Thor did that thrice. 1st the cat that was really the midgardserpent, second the fishing thing, third the serpent disguised as fin fang foom (though just the foot but he had brittle bones).

third times a charm so i'd have to say not PIS

Wait, the first time Thor "lifted" the Serpent, wasn't it only just one of his feet (since he was disguised as a cat)? He never fully lifted the Serpent. Like you said the third time he still couldn't lift him, just one "foot". The second encounter, when he fished him off the planet, is the PIS one (even though it was based on the myth). Two out of three times he can't lift more than one paw, so the one where he fished him off the planet has to be PIS.

Clear PIS is stuff like, oh, Slade catching Flash or Punisher hitting Spidey, given their history..

Batman has an example of dodging bullets that I'd consider PIS, because it goes against the large, large bulk of his history.. But, if Shiva ever dodges a bullet, I wouldn't consider it PIS. PIS is a case by case basis thing, and depends on a characters overall history and capability..

In the cases you posted, I wouldn't consider any of them PIS.

Originally posted by cdtm
PIS is a case by case basis thing, and depends on a characters overall history and capability..

Originally posted by cdtm
Clear PIS is stuff like, oh, Slade catching Flash or Punisher hitting Spidey, given their history..

Batman has an example of dodging bullets that I'd consider PIS, because it goes against the large, large bulk of his history.. But, if Shiva ever dodges a bullet, I wouldn't consider it PIS. PIS is a case by case basis thing, and depends on a characters overall history and capability..

In the cases you posted, I wouldn't consider any of them PIS.

batman dodges bullets a LOT. it would have to be one heck of a feat for me to consider him dodging bullets as pis.... slade HAS a history of tagging flashes..... much like logan has history of slugging it out for extended periods of time with hulk.

punisher has a LOT of history of hitting spidey. i would argue none of the cases you mentioned are at all clear cases of PIS. why? because it has happened many times over. historically, they are NOT outlier feats. same with logan fighting and beating cl100 bricks like abomination aren't PIS.

Yep, arguably DS tagging Flash should be considered CIS.

Originally posted by leonidas
batman dodges bullets a LOT. it would have to be one heck of a feat for me to consider him dodging bullets as pis.... slade HAS a history of tagging flashes..... much like logan has history of slugging it out for extended periods of time with hulk.

punisher has a LOT of history of hitting spidey. i would argue none of the cases you mentioned are at all clear cases of PIS. why? because it has happened many times over. historically, they are NOT outlier feats. same with logan fighting and beating cl100 bricks like abomination aren't PIS.

Consistency is key, but not the only factor.

No matter how many times Slade tags Flash, that doesn't make it not PIS.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yep, arguably DS tagging Flash should be considered CIS.

The two can interconnect, but I usually associate CIS with intelligence or ability deficits. Say, Jakeem Thunder being able to do virtually anything with his Thunderbolt, and not being able to think of any commands beyond "Beat up Mordru".

Why should it be PIS, it's clearly CIS from Flash's side, it's plot related but can be explained by characterization.

Originally posted by Bentley
Why should it be PIS, it's clearly CIS from Flash's side, it's plot related but can be explained by characterization.

No amount of CIS can explain Wally running into Slades sword during Identity Crisis, though. If Wally didn't see that sword, or couldn't stop in time, he'd be running into stuff all the time when he moves at upper speeds.

Here's a clear cut example of PIS:

Impulse repeatedly trying and failing to outrace the television signal so he could see himself on camera from the TV back in Young Justices base. It was hilarious. 😄

Originally posted by cdtm
Consistency is key, but not the only factor.

No matter how many times Slade tags Flash, that doesn't make it not PIS.

i agree it's NOT the only factor, but i also think bentley's right--CIS on FLASH'S part plays a role (usually) in slade hitting flash). that is NOT the same as calling PIS because slade hit him. an in-character flash has been shown to be susceptible to slade's attack, with some consistency. imo, that makes it a non-pis issue.

if we said all CIS is off, i don't think anyone would argue slade could still hit him.

i like the discussion though. i think people on the forum confound these issues far too often. in typical forum settings, characters ARE in character. a result of that is that some of the cries of PIS are unfounded. at least imho.

the feats i mentioned above (and there are several others i HAVEN'T mentioned) are different from what we're talking about in that i'm not sure how consistently THAT level of feat is portrayed.