PIS vs Typical Feats

Originally posted by leonidas
so, PIS comes up a LOT. i've always thought that PIS feats are simply outlier feats without sufficient 'collateral' proof. we hear low feats labelled PIS TOO often, imo, but the PIS pedulum swings both ways. i've listed just a couple feats below. are they PIS? i leave that to you. if you say NO, though, then the implication is simple--it is NOT an outlier, and it can be supported by OTHER feats to prove it. can these feats be PROVEN to be PIS-free?

1. thor lifts the midgard serpent
2. hal's krona buster
3. pre-wwh shatters an asteroid 2x size of earth

feel free to add others that i know i left out. if you feel your faves feats AREN'T PIS, prove it. 🙂

None of those are PIS, imo.

Thor's got the strength feats to justify him lifting the Midgard Serpent. Not to mention the feats are taken from the myths themselves. Could it be viewed strictly as a high end feat? Sure, but PIS? No.

Hal, like Bran has said, has a history of rocking Krona's shit. This time around he had no help, but the power rings have a storied history of operating outside and beyond what a typical ringslinger does. High end feat? Sure. PIS? NO.

An asteroid, in spite of it being bigger than Earth, I'd wager would also be a lot easier to destroy than the Earth itself. Asteroids are made of weaker stuff than planets in both comics and reality, so that doesn't bother me in the least.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
None of those are PIS, imo.

Thor's got the strength feats to justify him lifting the Midgard Serpent. Not to mention the feats are taken from the myths themselves. Could it be viewed strictly as a high end feat? Sure, but PIS? No.

Hal, like Bran has said, has a history of rocking Krona's shit. This time around he had no help, but the power rings have a storied history of operating outside and beyond what a typical ringslinger does. High end feat? Sure. PIS? NO.

An asteroid, in spite of it being bigger than Earth, I'd wager would also be a lot easier to destroy than the Earth itself. Asteroids are made of weaker stuff than planets in both comics and reality, so that doesn't bother me in the least.

re: thor: what feats do you think come close? myths... don't mean much, imo.

re: hal: still not totally sold. bran raised some good points. that krona blast though was well above anything i've seen him do in, say, the last 15 years....

an asteroid of THAT size wouldn't technically i don't think.... still, i think that one can be defended a little more easily than the others. i'm still a bit on the fence as regards the other 2. can you come up with any that i missed jake?

Thor failed to lift the misgard serpent twice he was able to only lift a foot

yep.... hence my skepticism....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
None of those are PIS, imo.

Thor's got the strength feats to justify him lifting the Midgard Serpent. Not to mention the feats are taken from the myths themselves. Could it be viewed strictly as a high end feat? Sure, but PIS? No.

Nah it's PIS. If you fail to lift even a "paw" twice yet succeed in overpowering it once, I'd say the overpowering feat is PIS. What's Thor's greatest strength feat aside from that? Lifting Asgard with Bill's help?

Failed once :

Failed twice :
http://random-happenstance.blogspot.com/2010/04/and-you-will-know-his-name-is-thorwait.html

Fin Fang Foom then considers taking out the humans gawking at him and Thor, since he considers them mildly dangerous insects. He offers Thor a challenge: if he can lift the dragon's paw, they will adjourn to a less-crowded venue. Or, Foom can merely kill them all now. Thor manages to lift Foom's foot, but only with a mighty effort.

Succeeds in overpowering it once :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/68029/1684413-thor_143_super_super.jpg

It's PIS, IMHO.

zopzop great post 👆

Good post Zop Zop. Thor really doesn't have many lifting ft and the Asgard ft...it appears Mjlonir took aid in that ft as well. His striking fts are impressive though.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nah it's PIS. If you fail to lift even a "paw" twice yet succeed in overpowering it once, I'd say the overpowering feat is PIS. What's Thor's greatest strength feat aside from that? Lifting Asgard with Bill's help?

Failed once :

Failed twice :
http://random-happenstance.blogspot.com/2010/04/and-you-will-know-his-name-is-thorwait.html

Succeeds in overpowering it once :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/68029/1684413-thor_143_super_super.jpg

It's PIS, IMHO.

The Fing Fang Foom scene happened during Thor's brittle bone phase. He was in constant agony and had grown weaker. Being able to lift Foom's foot in that condition is a ridiculous showing of strength and hardly supports the argument that Thor being able to fish the Serpent is PIS.

I'm not sure why you think being able to lift the Midgard Serpent a few feet of the ground is somehow a bad showing. And Thor was still young at the time. Probably in his late teens.

IIRC, Thor also wrestled with the Serpent, trying to fish him out in another scene but Hyirm cut the rope before Thor succeeded.

Like Jake said, hardly PIS.

Thor has plenty of other strength feats aside from lifting Asgard with Bill by the way such as the World Engine, Neutron Star, arm wrestle with Hercules, being crushed by the weight of a score of planets etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Good post Zop Zop. Thor really doesn't have many lifting ft and the Asgard ft...it appears Mjlonir took aid in that ft as well. His striking fts are impressive though.

Bah messed up my original post it should read :

If you fail to lift only a "paw" twice. Not "If you failed to lift even a "paw" twice".

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like Jake said, hardly PIS.

Thor has plenty of other strength feats aside from lifting Asgard with Bill by the way such as the World Engine, Neutron Star, arm wrestle with Hercules, being crushed by the weight of a score of planets etc.

The World Engine one isn't cannon no? The Bill feat is shared and the hammers were glowing (why?). The arm wrestling one could be hyperbole since the planet they were fighting on was just fine and dandy only the column collapsed. There wasn't even damage to the ground beneath them.

The Neutron Star and Umar ones can be debated too.

Originally posted by zopzop
The World Engine one isn't cannon no? The Bill feat is shared and the hammers were glowing (why?). The arm wrestling one could be hyperbole since the planet they were fighting on was just fine and dandy only the column collapsed. There wasn't even damage to the ground beneath them.

The Neutron Star and Umar ones can be debated too.

What makes you think it isn't cannon? Sometimes I think you guys just come up with this.

Because it looks cool? I always assumed Bill/Thor lifted Asgard, then Thor used the power of Mjolnir to keep it in the air. Possibly but still worth mentioning, gonna need better evidence than that.

Only poorly.

Originally posted by zopzop
The World Engine one isn't cannon no? The Bill feat is shared and the hammers were glowing (why?). The arm wrestling one could be hyperbole since the planet they were fighting on was just fine and dandy only the column collapsed. There wasn't even damage to the ground beneath them.

The Neutron Star and Umar ones can be debated too.

I said the same things.

Originally posted by carver9
I said the same things.

Do you have a memory wipe every morning? It seems that any event older than the 24 hours is recalled inaccurately by you.

Hammers glowing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull25.jpg

Right after this, they are not even touching Asgard and the hammer is keeping it afloat.

I'll ask Fraction what his intent was if enough people think the feat is in question.

I just assumed it was a strength feat, first time I realized people thought it was iffy.

Please do because if this didn't happen http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull26.jpg ...we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think the problem that some people have with some of Thor's strength feats is that the ones in question tend to be on the esoteric/hyperbolic side. A machine akin to a neutron star, energy with the weight of planets, arm wrestling the planet off its axis etc.

Not saying it right, but those things tend to lend themselves to lowballing more so then straight up lifting buildings etc.

Originally posted by dmills
I think the problem that some people have with some of Thor's strength feats is that the ones in question tend to be on the esoteric/hyperbolic side. A machine akin to a neutron star, energy with the weight of planets, arm wrestling the planet off its axis etc.

Not saying it right, but those things tend to lend themselves to lowballing more so then straight up lifting buildings etc.

That's part of the issue. Another part is the picking and choosing of statements (not saying that you are doing this Rage). People are accepting the statement of Thor being hit by an attack similar to a neutron star but when it was stated on panel that Cyclops blast is powerful enough to split a planet in half, it was discredited.

That's just one example.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Fing Fang Foom scene happened during Thor's brittle bone phase. He was in constant agony and had grown weaker. Being able to lift Foom's foot in that condition is a ridiculous showing of strength and hardly supports the argument that Thor being able to fish the Serpent is PIS.

I'm not sure why you think being able to lift the Midgard Serpent a few feet of the ground is somehow a bad showing. And Thor was still young at the time. Probably in his late teens.

IIRC, Thor also wrestled with the Serpent, trying to fish him out in another scene but Hyirm cut the rope before Thor succeeded.

Like Jake said, hardly PIS.

Thor has plenty of other strength feats aside from lifting Asgard with Bill by the way such as the World Engine, Neutron Star, arm wrestle with Hercules, being crushed by the weight of a score of planets etc.

Just stop, you have no idea what you're talking about. How many times do I need to shut you up?

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A younger Thor and a sick Thor failing to lift the Midgard Serpent doesn't discredit a healthy Thor in his prime doing so.

Ironically, both of those showings are superior to any lifting feat Gladiator has done. Lifting the Midgard Serpent a few feet off the ground as a youth or Fing Fang Foom's (Keep in mind that ithat the Serpent's entire form seemed to be compressed into that body) foot while incredibly sick shits on lifting the Baxter building.

Originally posted by dmills
I think the problem that some people have with some of Thor's strength feats is that the ones in question tend to be on the esoteric/hyperbolic side. A machine akin to a neutron star, energy with the weight of planets, arm wrestling the planet off its axis etc.

Not saying it right, but those things tend to lend themselves to lowballing more so then straight up lifting buildings etc.

Most of those people have an agenda and when it suits them, even use statements alone as gospel.

For record, the majority of e stuff I've posted has reasonable grounds. For example, the Neutron Star scene was when Thor was hit by a gravity bomb from an advanced race, the weight Thor was subjected to was created by a Skyfather level being etc.