Wonder Woman (w/Gauntlets of Atlas) vs. WBH

Originally posted by Stoic
As far as board rules applies it's PIS or CIS if it happens once, but to happen over and over again? There comes a time that you just have tp accept that it is within the characters ability to tag people faster than themselves... Spiderman and other precogs not included.

This is the exact same argument that a big spider man fan made on Alvaro Comicboards to prove Spider Man can, in fact, beat class 100's like Firelord. He had a lot of examples, too...

But it's still PIS/CIS. No way Spidey could ever beat Firelord or Surfer...

Of course, the easy answer is Slade/Flash, because it's consistent yet nobody wouild argue it's not PIS/CIS stuff.

Doomsday has multiple examples of tagging Superman, and quotes of being as fast as Flash, but that doesn't make him a high level speedster either, imo.

WW prereboot 3-4 out of 10

Hulk 6-7 out of 10

Originally posted by Stoic
You don't know what your talking about, i follow the Hulk, and know that the wishing well only allowed Betty to keep pace with Bruce, it never changed how her powers worked, you should re-read it. Rulk can no longer siphon energy the way that he could, two months ago he fought Omegex, and lost the ability, so now he can only siphon gamma rays or gamma mutates. Trust me I know. Pay close attention to what I previously wrote. The Wishing Well did not change the way that any of the characters in those books powers worked. It didn't make Betty stronger the way that you believe that it did, she was latching onto Bruces ambient energy.

All the same it's kind of hard to prove or disprove the lasso's effects, but on the Hulk you never know if he could resist it, he's resisted some pretty crazy things in the past, so you never know. Konvikt resisted the lasso as well didn't he? And I doubt that her punches would even register outside of being an annoyance, based on how well he took a punch.

This thread was a waste, because Wonder Woman is way out of her class here. Just let it go.

yea you ought to go ahead, and re-read the entire arc, and realize that in Vegas the Hulk could have destroyed the entire planet by dropping his foot, show me somewhere that Wonder Woman or Superman for that matter towed a planet under their own power, let alone one shot an earth sized planet. The BS is strong in you young Jedi.

We can only go by what the writer tells us. Otherwise we reduce to making stuff up. Betty was not even around Hulk when they started charging each other.

Who cares if Hulk can resist the lasso (Diana does not need him to tell the truth). He will be bound in it and not be able to break free. It is an auto win if she lassos him.

Diana at her best showings is magnitudes stronger than 1000x Wendigo or Bi beast. And this is a normal WW (not a 10x one).
Diana has shown the strength of an entire Earth weight. It takes less force to destroy the Earth in one blow than lift it. So destroying a planet with a blow is still under the best Diana has shown.

I don't go by low showings but characters at their best as shown before (no PIS though). So stop lowballing WW.

Lastly, lose the bias and understand that speed is everything, even if you're are physically weaker. If Diana at her best (forum rules) uses her speed on Hulk then she wins easily. He combos him to ko or simply lassoes him. You can't tell me that Hulk can resist getting hit with planetary forces without being seriously damaged. If you think so, then show me proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can only go by what the writer tells us. Otherwise we reduce to making stuff up. Betty was not even around Hulk when they started charging each other.

Who cares if Hulk can resist the lasso (Diana does not need him to tell the truth). He will be bound in it and not be able to break free. It is an auto win if she lassos him.

Diana at her best showings is magnitudes stronger than 1000x Wendigo or Bi beast. And this is a normal WW (not a 10x one).
Diana has shown the strength of an entire Earth weight. It takes less force to destroy the Earth in one blow than lift it. So destroying a planet with a blow is still under the best Diana has shown.

I don't go by low showings but characters at their best as shown before (no PIS though). So stop lowballing WW.

Lastly, lose the bias and understand that speed is everything, even if you're are physically weaker. If Diana at her best (forum rules) uses her speed on Hulk then she wins easily. He combos him to ko or simply lassoes him. You can't tell me that Hulk can resist getting hit with planetary forces without being seriously damaged. If you think so, then show me proof.

Give me a reference point, an issue please, just one instance of Wonder Woman lifting a planet under her own power. You won't be able to, when it took her, Superman, and J'onn to tow one planet. You should just stop while you're at it.

The Hulk was not only hit by planetary forces, the impact of the collision destroyed several other planets. Forum rules dictate that the Hulk has and can hang with guys faster than he is consistently. Whether you or cdtm agree with it or not, it was in several comics, and is not considered PIS if it happens more than one or two times. PIS is something that happens once, and once only. Now if Spiderman meets Firelord again, and beats him nearly to death, how many more times should he do it to establish that he can beat him? It's kinda like the guy that can't believe that his wife is cheating on him, although he walked in and saw her in bed with another guy... How many times does this have to occur?

Having Super Human strength automatically grants your super human burst speeds. Why do you think steroids are illegal in competitive sports?

Now your going to to accuse me of low balling Wonder Woman when your doing the same to Wendigo, Bi-Beast, and indirectly to Thor, not to mention the rest of Marvel's characters? SMH!!!

It would be a low ball if I mentioned her lowest showing, but I'm trying to figure out where I did that? It's you that are low balling the Hulk, even after seeing what he in WB mode was capable of. When has Wonder Woman shrugged off a hit from Etrigan? Etrigan would be by far less powerful than Wendigox1000, and Bi-Beast x1000. You of course will turn around and bullshit some more and attempt to make someone believe that DC's heavy hitters are above Marvels, without having any proof to back up your wild claims.

Wonder Woman may have a hard time even approaching the Hulk in WB mode without being turned to dust, and I'm supposed to believe that she's going to hogtie him? I believe that she may try, but end up hogtied herself.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Wonder Woman = Thor claim

In physical strength? She's not far off from Thor.. Which is why I compared her strength multiplied by 10 to WM Thor.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Savage Hulk, an inferior Hulk by leaps and bounds, was able time and time again to not only compete with Thor, but actually put him on the defensive.

Well there was the time they matched each others strength for an hour.

Besides that Savage Hulk was only ever a match for Thor when Thor threw away Mjolnir. In fact the Hulk practically begged him to get rid of it admitting he was not a match for Thor with his Hammer. But wanted to prove he's stronger, but yeah he did prove it that time, after a while of being enraged and getting stronger and stronger.

Originally posted by Stoic
WB Hulk is far more powerful than Savage Hulk. Wendigo who was basically as big a thorn in the Savage Hulks side as Thor, was made to be 1000x more powerful than it's normal Savage Hulk like power levels. Even at 8-10x, Wonder Woman would be no where near the ballpark of a 1000x Savage Hulk. The crazy thing is that when the Hulk went to the Dark Dimension, he was operating at even higher levels than his stupendous handling of not just a Wendigo operating at 1000x its normal level, but add Bi-Beast to this. It more or less makes Diana operating at 10x her normal power level lacking by a light year.

So what are you saying about how powerful current Hulk is? Is he 1000 times stronger than Savage Hulk?? If so then Il agree that neither an amped WW or a Sundipped Superman, or a WM Thor could even scratch Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
Speed? She's going to blitz all over him? No. Sentry had speed equal to or greater than Wonder Woman, and the Hulk stopped him dead in his tracks.

Did Sentry use his upper level speed to just avoid Hulk's punches? I doubt it. Just like Thor always slugged it out with Hulk instead of keeping his distance and unleashing his upper level Lightning blasts on him. The reason- Its called PIS and CIS.

Fact is WW is about 1000 times faster than Hulk. This is something Hulk fanboys have always had a hard time accepting but its true.

Originally posted by Stoic
This really isn't a contest if you think about it, it's a slaughter, and until anyone can prove that the lasso would be able to even affect the Hulk, it's not really a for sure win. The Hulk as I mentioned before has resisted some pretty crazy things. There would be no question if no one in history ever resisted the lasso, but Konvikt resisted it, among others.

I think the burden of proof is on you to give us a solid reason to believe her Lasso would not work on HUlk. A slaughter? I doubt it, not when he cant even touch her between her speed and Lasso. Add in her amped strength, and this is no slaughter.

Originally posted by Stoic
Give me a reference point, an issue please, just one instance of Wonder Woman lifting a planet under her own power. You won't be able to, when it took her, Superman, and J'onn to tow one planet. You should just stop while you're at it.

The Hulk was not only hit by planetary forces, the impact of the collision destroyed several other planets. Forum rules dictate that the Hulk has and can hang with guys faster than he is consistently. Whether you or cdtm agree with it or not, it was in several comics, and is not considered PIS if it happens more than one or two times. PIS is something that happens once, and once only. Now if Spiderman meets Firelord again, and beats him nearly to death, how many more times should he do it to establish that he can beat him? It's kinda like the guy that can't believe that his wife is cheating on him, although he walked in and saw her in bed with another guy... How many times does this have to occur?

Having Super Human strength automatically grants your super human burst speeds. Why do you think steroids are illegal in competitive sports?

Now your going to to accuse me of low balling Wonder Woman when your doing the same to Wendigo, Bi-Beast, and indirectly to Thor, not to mention the rest of Marvel's characters? SMH!!!

It would be a low ball if I mentioned her lowest showing, but I'm trying to figure out where I did that? It's you that are low balling the Hulk, even after seeing what he in WB mode was capable of. When has Wonder Woman shrugged off a hit from Etrigan? Etrigan would be by far less powerful than Wendigox1000, and Bi-Beast x1000. You of course will turn around and bullshit some more and attempt to make someone believe that DC's heavy hitters are above Marvels, without having any proof to back up your wild claims.

Wonder Woman may have a hard time even approaching the Hulk in WB mode without being turned to dust, and I'm supposed to believe that she's going to hogtie him? I believe that she may try, but end up hogtied herself.

1. In the towing feat, WW was calculated to be exerting 1 Earth weight of force (Superman more than 50 Earth weights). I can show you the calculations if you like. If you accelerate a planet at 9.8m/s^2 then this equivalent to lifting the planet (an Earth weight). If you accelerate the planet slower than this then this is equivalent to lifting a weight less than the planet. If you accelerate the planet faster than this then this is equivalent to lifting a weight greater than that of the Earth. The three accelerated the planet far faster than 9.8m/s^2. So together they were exerting with forces many times that of an Earth weight.

2. The impact only destroyed the planet they were on (nothing else). And we don't know if Hulk died from it or not. All we know is that everyone was brought back to life (including Hulk if he too died).

3. Hanging with guys who have superspeed in comics doesn't mean you can in a forum fight. This is because those guys who Hulk has hanged with DIDN'T USE THEIR TOP SUPERSPEED on him in the comic. Hulk never responded to ftl speeds or even light speed attacks in a comic before. WW can attack, defend, and lasso with light speed. So PIS has nothing to do with it. Now if Hulk defended against a light speed attack from close range then we can talk PIS.

4. Lowball? You troll when you refuse to prove that Bi_Beast or Wendigo has over 1 million ton level strength. I don't buy that matchup crap because we all know that characters are often written down to others to create a fight. Look at the Gladiator Colossus fight or the Thor Mongoose fights. I can go on. Bottom line characters in comics are many times shown not to be fighting at their best ability in order to create a story. Plus Savage Hulk is variable as his strength is based off his rage and randomness. So beating or stalemating Hulk in a comic could mean you beat/stalemate a 10,000 ton level Hulk or a million ton level Hulk (who knows). Now if Hulk performed an X ton feat just prior to you beating him physically (in the same comic) then that means you were operating near or above his strength.

5. The collision (not Hulk alone) caused the other beings to disintegrate. There is no Betty in this fight to produce the same collision. WW becoming dust when coming near him is trolling at its finest. Lastly, Hulk only let loose to that level because of the wish and because he saw Betty kiss Tyrannus. (he knew everything was going to be restored). So in character, Hulk would not reach that level of WB because of fear of taking a life and no reason to get that mad (there is no Betty kissing Tyrannus here). And get it out of your mind that it was pure strength that caused the destruction in the Hulk feat. It was an omnidirectional blast from two beings that Hulk can't achieve on his own without colliding with an peer that's capable of emitting half the said energy. Also, in WB mode Hulk is way slower as shown in his reactions in his fights. This is because his mindset is different.

With that said, WW wins 10/10 by lassoing Hulk before one neuron fires in his brain or simply comboing him to ko with planetary power.

lol h1 is accusing other people of trolling. smh

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol h1 is accusing other people of trolling. smh

I don't make wild silly claims without some form of proof (like using certain feats to back up my claim and the common sense principle of speed).

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's a schooling for you.

1. In the towing feat, WW was calculated to be exerting 1 Earth weight of force (Superman more than 50 Earth weights). I can show you the calculations if you like. If you accelerate a planet at 9.8m/s^2 then this equivalent to lifting the planet (an Earth weight). If you accelerate the planet slower than this then this is equivalent to lifting a weight less than the planet. If you accelerate the planet faster than this then this is equivalent to lifting a weight greater than that of the Earth. The three accelerated the planet far faster than 9.8m/s^2. So together they were exerting with forces many times that of an Earth weight.

2. The impact only destroyed the planet they were on (nothing else). And we don't know if Hulk died from it or not. All we know is that everyone was brought back to life (including Hulk if he too died).

3. Hanging with guys who have superspeed in comics doesn't mean you can in a forum fight. This is because those guys who Hulk has hanged with DIDN'T USE THEIR TOP SUPERSPEED on him in the comic. Hulk never responded to ftl speeds or even light speed attacks in a comic before. WW can attack, defend, and lasso with light speed. So PIS has nothing to do with it. Now if Hulk defended against a light speed attack from close range then we can talk PIS.

4. Lowball? You troll when you refuse to prove that Bi_Beast or Wendigo has over 1 million ton level strength. I don't buy that matchup crap because we all know that characters are often written down to others to create a fight. Look at the Gladiator Colossus fight or the Thor Mongoose fights. I can go on. Bottom line characters in comics are many times shown not to be fighting at their best ability in order to create a story. Plus Savage Hulk is variable as his strength is based off his rage and randomness. So beating or stalemating Hulk in a comic could mean you beat/stalemate a 10,000 ton level Hulk or a million ton level Hulk (who knows). Now if Hulk performed an X ton feat just prior to you beating him physically (in the same comic) then that means you were operating near or above his strength.

5. The collision (not Hulk alone) caused the other beings to disintegrate. There is no Betty in this fight to produce the same collision. WW becoming dust when coming near him is trolling at its finest. Lastly, Hulk only let loose to that level because of the wish and because he saw Betty kiss Tyrannus. (he knew everything was going to be restored). So in character, Hulk would not reach that level of WB because of fear of taking a life and no reason to get that mad (there is no Betty kissing Tyrannus here). And get it out of your mind that it was pure strength that caused the destruction in the Hulk feat. It was an omnidirectional blast from two beings that Hulk can't achieve on his own without colliding with an peer that's capable of emitting half the said energy. Also, in WB mode Hulk is way slower as shown in his reactions in his fights. This is because his mindset is different.

With that said, WW wins 10/10 by lassoing Hulk before one neuron fires in his brain or simply comboing him to ko with planetary power.

You're debating skills are very questionable. Everything that you stated, fails to acknowledge the fact that the Hulk's strength level can eclipse Wonder Woman's in a blink of an eye. Just going on feats alone, and how she has struggled with far less than WB Hulk (DOS Doomsday for example) shows that you are over exaggerating, and are blatantly ignorant of her past performances. Unless of course, the way that she struggled with DOS Doomsday, tempts you to fall on the word PIS to bail you out.

Who can take a statement like Wonder Woman at base is 50x stronger than Savage Hulk, which extends indirectly to Thor and others in the Herald tier seriously?

Your entire argument loses credibility when you can't provide concrete evidence as to how much Diana was towing when not knowing how much her partners were towing as well.

Can you calculate how many earth weights that the Hulk was about to push when he was about to pop the planet Earth with one footfall during HOTM?

I won't continue this debate with you when you're telling me that at base, Diana would be equal to 50 or more Wendigo's and Bi-Beast's that gave Thor a run. Believe what you want, but with no evidence to support such claims, means none of what you said holds any weight.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're debating skills are very questionable. Everything that you stated, fails to acknowledge the fact that the Hulk's strength level can eclipse Wonder Woman's in a blink of an eye. Just going on feats alone, and how she has struggled with far less than WB Hulk (DOS Doomsday for example) shows that you are over exaggerating, and blatantly ignorant of her past performances. Unless of course, the way that she struggled with DOS Doomsday, tempts you to fall on the word PIS to bail you out.

Who can take a statement like Wonder Woman at base is 50x stronger than Savage Hulk, which extends indirectly to Thor and others in the Herald tier seriously?

Your entire argument loses credibility when you can't provide concrete evidence as to how much Diana was towing when not knowing how much her partners were towing as well.

Can you calculate how many earth weights that the Hulk was about to push when he was about to pop the planet Earth with one footfall during HOTM?

I won't continue this debate with you when you're telling me that at base, Diana would be equal to 50 or more Wendigo's and Bi-Beast's that gave Thor a run. Believe what you want, but with no evidence to support such claims, means none of what you said holds any weight.

I can ignore low showings by WW because a forum WW is a different WW altogether. Characters fight at their best AS SHOWN BEFORE in comics.

Savage Hulk is variable my friend. It is nonsense to say Savage Hulk is EXACTLY X strong or as strong as Y character since he can be weaker or stronger at any given time. So using him as a measuring stick is both silly and stupid.

Being stronger doesn't prove you will win in a fight. Speed and skill are far more important that strength. As long as the faster and more skilled character can hurt/damage or somehow plot win against the stronger makes the stronger being stronger irrelevant.

I can provide the MINIMUM Diana was exerting with. This is relevant.

Hulk didn't do the feat so there's nothing to calculate. Again, it takes far less force to one shot a planet than lift it. So even if Hulk did one shot the Earth then it would only show that he was operating at a minimum of a fraction of planet lifting power. It wouldn't tell us the maximum he was operating with.

Diana at best (not base) is far more than 1000x stronger than both Wendigo and Bi-Beast put together by her top feats of strength. Again, Thor who struggled with characters under or slightly above class 100 doesn't mean that if another character, who is class 100, also makes him struggle proves that they are in his top strength league. Because it doesn't. Namor koing Hulk underwater doesn't mean he was hitting with forces to one shot a planet or even mountain shattering forces (not even close).

Lastly, even if I concede to Hulk being stronger than 10x WW then she will win 10/10 just by the lasso alone.